Formal Imperialism - Would we be so angry?

[CubanFox]

Would we be so angry and up in arms if America formally established colonies and was openly imperialistic, instead of pulling neocolonial corporate machinations behind closed doors?

[Blibblob]

Truthfully, I don't think so. I doubt anybody would actually care. For to have open imperalism you must have stronger brainwashing. By hiding it behind closed doors the US makes us more intelligent, we have to look for it. Bush and Co. hasn't read 1984 obviously. They hasn't stolen any ideas from it, yet.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

If it was a colonial-type power, I imagine we would rebel, but average Americans would probably just have enourmous pride in their "glorious empire of freedom", much like now, except they'd openly say it's a empire, whereas now, they deny it.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I'd also like to add that their is nothing formal about colonialism, it's the most barbaric appropriation of land and greed.

[CubanFox]

When I say formal I mean like, open, as in General Franks going to Baghdad and saying "I claim Iraq for the empire of the United States of America."

[Vinny Rafarino]

Quote: from CubanFox on 1:40 am on May 24, 2003
Would we be so angry and up in arms if America formally established colonies and was openly imperialistic, instead of pulling neocolonial corporate machinations behind closed doors?


Neocolonial coporate machinations??? Hey at least you didn't throw "bourgoise" in there as well. C'mon mate..

Not to steal your thunder comrade....Just ball busting where it is due...I agree with you..I'm just too old to bother with impressions to people I have never met...(yet..... that is unless you are ready for revolution...RAF!)

[Urban Rubble]

I think it would be worse. As soon as they start admitting what they are doing then we better watch the fuck out because all that means is that they are so powerful that they don't have to lie, no one would be able to oppose them anyway.

[Nobody]

But, our numbers would swell becasue all of our ranting would have been proved true. Any time one side of the political has a huge amount of power, the other side (us) gains recurits as people look to more radical solutions.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Our numbers would swell in more idealoical settings...such as Europe and S. America. In the USA however, the public and former liberal media has made it quite clear...."we don't care what dubya does to those primitaves...they blew up the world trade centre dude!" It hasn't been this bad in the US since Ronnie convinced the US populace that a trillion dollar deficit and 30% unemployment (not actual figures, but quite close) is okay as long as you're patriotic!
"c'mon folks...fuck the economy...we gave you FARM AIDE DAMMIT!!"

These sheep will let this bastard do ANYTHING he wants...as long as it's only to arabs....'cos they ride camels, don't have Tele, ALL live in brick huts, have 500 wifes apiece and look real funny in those silly little hats.
Fucking yanquies.

[canikickit]

Would we be so angry and up in arms if America formally established colonies and was openly imperialistic, instead of pulling neocolonial corporate machinations behind closed doors?

Of course. What kind of a question is that?

[sc4r]

Quote: from CubanFox on 1:40 am on May 24, 2003
Would we be so angry and up in arms if America formally established colonies and was openly imperialistic, instead of pulling neocolonial corporate machinations behind closed doors?


No I dont think we would. Certainly I dont think I would be.

I'd be just as opposed to it, but a great deal of the actual anger in me comes from listening to hypocrisy and distortion which prevents opposition.

I dont believe that the majority of americans would support imperialism. I believe that they genuinely dont see it. They are fed a relentless diet of distortion and unsurprisingly buy it.

This is in part what makes me angry. It is frustration at seeing the very people best placed to reject the situation conned into out and out support of it.

[Kez]

there is no formal and informal imperialism

military imperialism is merely to support the economic imperialism which has been around for many many years

id recommend Lenins Imperialism, the highest stage of capitalism, very good book on the subjeect

yours in struggle
kamo