New Age Socialist & Communist Propaganda.

[R_P_A_S]

I'm tired of running into anti-communist propaganda. It's always wrong, they tell half the story. and then use the past fuck ups such as Stalin, and any other not real communist regime to make the ideology and the manifesto sound and look evil.

These videos talk down on us. the working class like we are little children who dont know any better. It's like... "now kids, don't venture and go thinking on your own. dont get any crazy ideas that you can do things better your self, because you are bound to fail. you need bosses, leaders, and people to overlook your work and manage you" FUCK THAT! here is my proposal...

I want to start informational film. exposing the lies and bringing light to the facts. I want to make them easy to follow and understand. short and pretty straight forward. I would like to make a serious of them. but for this- I NEED HELP! I can easily record the audio and do the editing I have the skills and the equipment.

But I would like help to gather facts, information, pictures, video footage, links and countless sources to make this short video clips stand out and so that they have a chance to impact and generate interest.

I would like to use very little of the words communism and socialism at first. slowing reveal them. But not over using them, as I feel that people will turn away just by reading a title like "communis is good!" you get my drift?

I think using comparations of todays current events and situations will make them easier to follow and people will identify with them best. we can talk directly to the viewer, them being the working class and ask them simple questions. If they are happy selling their labor and now owning shit! are they happy making some one else rich, or help contribute the exploitation of thers around the world. and show clips of such things, single out companies and events. And then ask them if they would rather own the means of production and give them a visual of what that would be like, overload them with the facts on how thats better for all of us.

I hope you guys get what I mean. I will love to do this and I will be comitted to it! but I need help!

Lets make it happen!

[Delta]

You might be able to make a good socialist/communist film, but most people are so brainwashed by the media that it'd be tough to break them out of the capitalist mindset.

Personally I think the best choice of a film would be a collection of news clips that showed blatant biases of the mainstream media, often compared with more accurate footage of the events and how it was inaccurately portrayed. Helping people loose faith in the media is a big thing imo.

But anyhow, if you were to do a socialist/communist film I think you're correct in that you should ease them into the words that will scare them away (communist, etc). It would be useful (as you said) to play off the events of the world today. It would also be nice to calmly refute the main knee jerk reactions against a different type of society (no one will work, communism failed in the USSR, capitalism is equal to freedom, etc).

I'm fairly new to leftist thought, but I'm sure there are some people on these forums that have read and thought about it enough to really give you some good info.

[R_P_A_S]

yeah. some good ideas but hey im not going to give up. thats my attitude. it might sound sad but I haven't given up on humans... yet lol

[Whitten]

The best way of going about it is not to talk down to the viewer in the way the enemy do. Make them think while watching it and subtly prompt them to make their own contibutions to their growing understanding with well planned pauses in the audio. Ask them questions for them to answer, and which almost no one can answer contary to the way you want them to (well, there's always a few lost causes), yet be careful not to rely on that too much, and dont make it sound sarcastic.

[Forward Union]

There are a few of these films out there, but there's no harm in more. If you want ideas, there was a thread somewhere linking to an anti-capitalist education video. I'll try dig it up for you.

[elmo sez]

Id love to help out with facts and stuff . What kkind of things had you in mind? Corporations , media , poverty -first or third world , etc?

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2006, 09:08 PM
Id love to help out with facts and stuff . What kkind of things had you in mind? Corporations , media , poverty -first or third world , etc?
great idea. i think there should be by series. for example what are the top problems or issues facing the working class today. like i said I would like to make them simple so that ANYONE can associate with them.

[elmo sez]

yeah that sounds like a great idea , where do you wanna start and i ll get researchin

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2006, 09:22 PM
yeah that sounds like a great idea , where do you wanna start and i ll get researchin
well... how about we focus on minum wage for now. I guess we can define it in different ways. someone here had a really good defenition a while back. something like "its the cheapest price capitalist can legally slave you for" or something like that.

[elmo sez]

ok minimum wage it is , ill do some research into it and see what i can come up with ill post it as i find it

[Iranon]

I'm tired of running into anti-communist propaganda. It's always wrong, they tell half the story. and then use the past fuck ups such as Stalin, and any other not real communist regime to make the ideology and the manifesto sound and look evil.

What you stated regrading half-truths also applies to Stalin; the far-right's greatest victory, thus far, is getting people to think "Stalin was just as brutal, if not more brutal, than Hitler." This doesn't mean lying, this means reminding people that Stalin's period was different, he was FAR better than the Fascists, and that the man did do good.

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2006, 12:06 AM

I'm tired of running into anti-communist propaganda. It's always wrong, they tell half the story. and then use the past fuck ups such as Stalin, and any other not real communist regime to make the ideology and the manifesto sound and look evil.

What you stated regrading half-truths also applies to Stalin; the far-right's greatest victory, thus far, is getting people to think "Stalin was just as brutal, if not more brutal, than Hitler." This doesn't mean lying, this means reminding people that Stalin's period was different, he was FAR better than the Fascists, and that the man did do good.
well yeah I mean I know the man did some good too. But is safe to say he is not the face you want next to the defenition of communism.

[Whitten]

Agreed, Stalin is best avoided whenintroducing people to communism. Let them work out their own views on him once tehy're converted. Along side minimum wage, a good topi cto go into would be overproduction, and how the bourgeois uhh... solve the problem, compared to what we would do.

[Coggeh]

I say you get Ken Loach .He directed a movie about the spainish civil war about the P.O.U.M totally leftist ... Get him and Micheal Moore ...the latter of the two being for publicity of course :)

[Zero]

Well you mix music don't you R P A S? If you do lyrics try incorperatin some stuff from other revolutionary groups into your lyric!

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2006, 06:49 PM
Well you mix music don't you R P A S? If you do lyrics try incorperatin some stuff from other revolutionary groups into your lyric!
yeah. but i dont rap. BUT I WAS THINKING of having like a sountrack song for it.

[Delta]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2006, 05:49 AM
I say you get Ken Loach .He directed a movie about the spainish civil war about the P.O.U.M totally leftist
Land and Freedom was a really good movie.

[CoexisT]

Capitalism and other Kids' Stuff (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3072291302771620276&q=socialist)

[elmo sez]

WAGE SLAVE

working on the edge
losing my self respect
for a man who presides over me
the principles of his creed
punch in punch out
8 hours, 5 days
sweat pain and agony
on friday i'll get paid

this ain't no picnic

- minutemen

thought that might be of interest

[Tekun]

the site in my signature has some good speeches on the benefits of socialism and communism

marxists.org

[elmo sez]

Most companies use resources and human labor to generate profits for absentee owners, whether corporations, sole proprietors, or stockholders. The figure below illustrates the flow of wealth. The company will maintain the highest prices for consumer goods that the market will bear, while simultaneously paying the lowest wages that the workers will tolerate. The company employees receive a fraction of what their true labor is worth while the quality of the overpriced goods is kept at a minimum. The owners, non-working profiteers, will sacrifice even human health and the environment in their greed for excessive profits. In general, owners who do not actively participate in the operations perform no function other than parasitism and the existence of such a practice highlights a fundamental flaw of capitalism -- corporate non-entities are guaranteed the right to profit while human beings do not even have a guaranteed right to subsistence.

[cbm989]

I'd love to help gather video files and quotes and do some editing as well. I have access to a digital camera, video camera, photoshop, and adobe premier(adobe's video editor).

I saw a good set of clips the other day, although not really communist related the first one was bush talking about how tax dollars should not go to supporting the 'murder' of life through stem cell research. the next one was him saying 'i believe the iraqi civilian death count is somewhere around 30,000, give or take' it was brilliant, i think i saw it on the Daily Show. Anyway, not really commie/socialist but defintley something all leftists should agree with, the media biases American/Israeli military agression. In fact, maybe that could be one of the videos in the series...something like military aggresion tied in with media bias. I dont know im just throwing ideas out.

but yea im down for helping out.

[Iranon]

But is safe to say he (Stalin) is not the face you want next to the defenition of communism.

Well, that's what they think when they think Communism; they don't think of Kruschev, and Trotsky will arouse nothing but a collective "Huh?" from the masses (so I don't see what good a video about the P.O.U.M. would do) - he may not be a great figure to bring up, but one must be prepared for a necessary defence of him as he IS going to come up.

Hand's Off Venezuela and it's circle of sites already has DVDs made that you can get for cheap - and with Chavez popping into the media occassionally it'll be relevant enough to the viewers, and the issues Chavez raises are good starting points to get their minds working on other questions.