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[Leo]

What are your thoughts on the ICC? Is there any ICC members on this site?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Communist_Current

http://www.internationalism.org/

[Marion]

Originally posted by Leo [email protected] 16 2006, 08:55 AM
What are your thoughts on the ICC? Is there any ICC members on this site?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Communist_Current

http://www.internationalism.org/
Can't really comment for myself, but a good place to find out, apart from their website, is from the libcom boards (http://www.libcom.org/forums/) where some guys from the ICC have been debating with a range of anarchists about a number of issues.

Despite the fact I don't agree with all their points, the ICC guys on the libcom boards are very well read, can argue their points pretty well and generally come across as genuinely open to debate and discussion.

I'll wait for someone with more knowledge than me to post their opinions before contributing any more as my understanding of the myriad leftist groups is relatively poor...

[Djehuti]

Some secterian tendencies, but overall they stand quite close to myself.
They have published some really good writings on the dutch and german communist left, the russian communist left and the italian communist left.

[Alf]

Hello Leo, and thanks for the positive comments from those who replied. I'm in the ICC. We do post occasionally on Revleft, and intend to do more, but have been concentrating mainly on libcom. I noticed your post on the 'first stage' of communism on libcom. What's your background?

One of our sympathisers, jaycee, who also posts on libcom, has been more active on Revleft, but he got banished to 'opposing ideologies' because he was defending our critique of anti-fascism. We protested against this but the issue seems to have been buried.

[Forward Union]

"The International Communist Current is a centralised international left communist organisation with sections throughout the world."

"the revolution can only succeed if it is a world wide revolution, leading to the overthrow of all existing states and the establishment of the dictatorship..."

Why don't people stop beating at the dead horse...

[Amusing Scrotum]

Originally posted by Leo Uilleann
What are your thoughts on the ICC?

Personally, I thought their handling of the tour to Zimbabwe wasn't good enough and....

Sorry, I couldn&#39;t resist....and before someone asks, yes I did steal that of someone else. Indeed, when someone on libcom asked "why would an upstanding organisation like the International Cricket Council bother with libcom", I almost wet myself. Because, seriously, the ICC (the communist one that is) and humour just don&#39;t go together....in fact, I&#39;d wager that their theoretical journals have never contained a single light hearted comment. Though their stuff on Trotsky amuses me. <_<

But, really, that lots of people think they take themselves a bit to seriously and that they sometimes seem a bit, well, robotic, is probably one of the few criticisms you could make of them. Sure, I don&#39;t agree with quite a bit of their theory, but, overall, they seem rather decent to me....and their arguments, whether you agree with them or not, are always well presented and properly developed. Though, I think they are secretly English Nationalists because they never ever come to Wales. :P

Personally, if I were to try and define the ICC in a phrase, I&#39;d say they were the Masters of the Schema....in the good sense that is. By that I mean that whether we agree with their theoretical outlook or not, to me it seems like one of the most consistent, well thought out and joined up outlooks around.

And personally, although I don&#39;t agree with a great deal of their theory, I find that the ICC&#39;s publications on various issues make me think more than pretty much every other publication around. Oh, bugger, I&#39;m starting to sound like an ICC "sympathiser". Horrors&#33; :lol:

Oh, I just found out libcom is back up. Hurrah&#33;

[Marion]

Hmmm, not sure why anyone should get banished to opposing ideologies for espousing the ICC view on anti-fascism? From what I&#39;ve read of it while lurking on libcom I don&#39;t really see what the problem would be.

Btw, is it obligatory to read libcom if you post on this site? If not it probably should be...

[Leo]

I noticed your post on the &#39;first stage&#39; of communism on libcom. What&#39;s your background?

If you are asking my political background, I define my personal perspective as a &#39;historical situationist&#39; that is significant aspects of situationism such as the spectacle, revolution of everyday life etc. without stuff like dialectics and the overly intense jargon also with a greater focus on production and material conditions. My vision of communism is close to council communism.

[Alf]

Yes, I meant political background, thanks. I have a soft spot for the situationists.

Time to shut down the old electronic circuits and close down my systems for the night, even us robots get tired sometimes.