I Found This...about Cuba [Archive]

BobKKKindle$

16th July 2006, 08:25

what kind of country would make familes spend their life savings on a make shift raft to sail across 90 miles of shark infested waters?

A Country that has been subject to economic sanctions for more than 40 years by the world's biggest military and economic power in an attempt to undermine a regime established by popular revolution, and a country that has been without a major purchaser for its goods or a major aid donor since 1991 (The Fall of the Soviet Union by the way theraven) It is a remarkable achievement that Cuba has, despite that that site may tell you, managed to maintain a relatively high standard of living through its education and healthcare system in the face of such adversity and hardship. The Popular support for Castro that exists is testamanet to this.

We do not profess Cuba to be a Socialist paradise; its not; its a repressive state that still makes us proud due to its resistance to american Imperialism and the gains that have been made through the revolution.

theraven

16th July 2006, 08:34

A Country that has been subject to economic sanctions for more than 40 years by the world's biggest military and economic power in an attempt to undermine a regime established by popular revolution,

regiemes that are popular don't need to be a dictaorhsip..

and a country that has been without a major purchaser for its goods or a major aid donor since 1991 (The Fall of the Soviet Union by the way theraven)

as far as I know the only country that embargos cuba is the USA. many european and other countires trade with cuba, and venezula has taken to supporting cuba fiscally.

It is a remarkable achievement that Cuba has, despite that that site may tell you, managed to maintain a relatively high standard of living through its education and healthcare system in the face of such adversity and hardship. The Popular support for Castro that exists is testamanet to this.

Im sure its more a testamnet to his military that rules things..

We do not profess Cuba to be a Socialist paradise; its not; its a repressive state that still makes us proud due to its resistance to american Imperialism and the gains that have been made through the revolution.

you mean those gains that made castro so rich?

LSD

16th July 2006, 08:39

and yes there is poverty in the US, but guess what-theres poverty everywhere.

:rolleyes:

That's the point, raven. Every county has its slums and depressed areas; and so if someone is motivated enough (or paid enough), they can make any place out to be a hell-hole.

Cuba's a third world country, no question; but every single reputable investigation that's even been conducted have consistently shown better living conditions in Cuba than in virtually any other third world country.

People may be fleeing socialist Cuba, but more people are fleeing capitalist Mexico.

That tells us that imperialism has made the southern Americas generally miserably places to live. It tells us nothing about the value or lack thereof of socialism as a socioeconomic model.

Personally, I am not an enormous fan of the Cuban government, but you cannot argue with the facts. People are living better in Cuba today than in any of the WTO/WB pet "reform" projects in latin america.

Frankly, Cuba is a better example of the failures of capitalism than of socialism. So I really don't get why you cappies keep bringin it up! :lol:

CCCPneubauten

16th July 2006, 08:42

Guys, didn't we see this site already? I mean come one....note the humor page...

http://www.therealcuba.com/Page24.htm

The site has to be a joke, there are many sites that look all real and such, yet, are not.

theraven

16th July 2006, 08:46

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2006, 05:40 AM

and yes there is poverty in the US, but guess what-theres poverty everywhere.

:rolleyes:

That's the point, raven. Every county has its slums and depressed areas; and so if someone is motivated enough (or paid enough), they can make any place out to be a hell-hole.

Cuba's a third world country, no question; but every single reputable investigation that's even been conducted have consistently shown better living conditions in Cuba than in virtually any other third world country.

People may be fleeing socialist Cuba, but more people are fleeing capitalist Mexico.

That tells us that imperialism has made the southern Americas generally miserably places to live. It tells us nothing about the value or lack thereof of socialism as a socioeconomic model.

Personally, I am not an enormous fan of the Cuban government, but you cannot argue with the facts. People are living better in Cuba today than in any of the WTO/WB pet "reform" projects in latin america.

Frankly, Cuba is a better example of the failures of capitalism than of socialism. So I really don't get why you cappies keep bringin it up! :lol:
1) people are fleeing mexico because its easy and they can get good jobs on the other side. I don't think they'd be as eager if there was a 90 mile gulf.

2) none of the south americna coutnires have a very good record with capitlism, yes the US has inlfuience, but the US's infleunece hasn't been anywhere near constant enough to have actually seen real growth in those countires. mexico only recently can be said to have become capitilist, and most of those countires have a horrible history of protecting private proeprty and upholidng contracts, not things that encourgae a private buisnes

all and all i would say it is not capitlism fault, but he attempst at socalims.

Commie Girl

16th July 2006, 08:46

The pictures on that Gusano website were after the hurricane.

theraven

16th July 2006, 09:06

Originally posted by Commie [email protected] 16 2006, 05:47 AM
The pictures on that Gusano website were after the hurricane.
and how do you know that about the cuban patriots site?

R_P_A_S

16th July 2006, 09:13

damn yes that site is straight up gusano! BUT whats with the embargo. why is there not an embargo in some stores and places? whats with that?

Morag

16th July 2006, 09:18

You know, in Canada you get extra credit and potential scholarships if you join the Cadet Corps. Air Cadets, Army Cadets, Sea Cadets all start at 12 (and the Navy League starts at 8). I was an Air Cadet, and I had to fight for three years to get my high school credits even though I refused to participate in rifle drill (nevermind that I was squadron leader, top female cadet, drill sargeant, speaking champ, and top instructor. I wouldn't shoot a rifle in defense of my country...). That refusal became a mark on my record and I was disqualified for some scholarships and bursaries because of it.

The point being that many countries have incentives for military training.

power... UNLIMITED POWER!

16th July 2006, 09:26

LSD

Personally, I am not an enormous fan of the Cuban government, but you cannot argue with the facts. People are living better in Cuba today than in any of the WTO/WB pet reform projects in latin america.

Is there ANY country you guys look up to except Sweden which is really capitlalist?
:rolleyes: I mean this admiration for Sweden makes you liberals right? Talk about mistaken identity!

As for all the rest of you, that website might be Gusano but how does that stop it describing the truth? What did you think about that massacre of Cubans on the Tugboat? They would all have died had not a capitlaist container vessel arrived to save the day! Makes you wonder how many escapees the Cuban state sinks every year and no one hears anything!!!

Let us compare Cuba(1994) to 1984.

Cuba:
That\'s when we saw that two firefighting boats were coming after us... they hit the sides and then they began to shoot water at us. We told them not to harm us, that there were children on board and we showed the children and they kept shooting water. The mothers screamed and implored the attackers to stop directing the water hoses at them. The perpetrators continued using the hoses, trying to drown them by suffocation. All those on board were submerged in the water. After nearly an hour of battling in the open sea, the other boat circled around the survivors, creating a whirlpool so that they would drown.

As a result, many disappeared into the seas and lost their lives... We asked them to save us, and what they did was laugh... María Victoria García Suárez

And now FICTION!

April 4th, 1984. Last night to the flicks. All war films. One very good one of a ship full of refugees being bombed somewhere in the Mediterranean. Audience much amused by shots of a great huge fat man trying to swim away with a helicopter after him, first you saw him wallowing along in the water like a porpoise, then you saw him through the helicopters gunsights, then he was full of holes and the sea round him turned pink and he sank as suddenly as though the holes had let in the water, audience shouting with laughter when he sank.

R_P_A_S

16th July 2006, 09:30

lots of the captions for those pictures are pretty funny, in a way. for example they stress how poor cuba is and show you a picture of a guy towing is fridge on a cart with a horse pulling. WTF is poor and horrible about that?

theraven

16th July 2006, 10:03

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2006, 06:31 AM
lots of the captions for those pictures are pretty funny, in a way. for example they stress how poor cuba is and show you a picture of a guy towing is fridge on a cart with a horse pulling. WTF is poor and horrible about that?
it means he can't afford a car or some motor viehicle...

damn yes that site is straight up gusano! BUT whats with the embargo. why is there not an embargo in some stores and places? whats with that?

the embargo is only in america.

R_P_A_S

16th July 2006, 10:06

Originally posted by theraven+Jul 16 2006, 07:04 AM--> (theraven @ Jul 16 2006, 07:04 AM)
[email protected] 16 2006, 06:31 AM
lots of the captions for those pictures are pretty funny, in a way. for example they stress how poor cuba is and show you a picture of a guy towing is fridge on a cart with a horse pulling. WTF is poor and horrible about that?
it means he can't afford a car or some motor viehicle...

damn yes that site is straight up gusano! BUT whats with the embargo. why is there not an embargo in some stores and places? whats with that?

the embargo is only in america. [/b]
when i lived in mexico we used to tow shit on carts with mules. and we didn't look at it as been poor. we just looked at it as hauling something. I didn't care about a car. it was like whatever. It was until I moved to the states that "i thought i needed a car to fit in and travel"

theraven

16th July 2006, 16:31

Originally posted by R_P_A_S+Jul 16 2006, 07:07 AM--> (R_P_A_S @ Jul 16 2006, 07:07 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2006, 07:04 AM

[email protected] 16 2006, 06:31 AM
lots of the captions for those pictures are pretty funny, in a way. for example they stress how poor cuba is and show you a picture of a guy towing is fridge on a cart with a horse pulling. WTF is poor and horrible about that?
it means he can't afford a car or some motor viehicle...

damn yes that site is straight up gusano! BUT whats with the embargo. why is there not an embargo in some stores and places? whats with that?

the embargo is only in america.
when i lived in mexico we used to tow shit on carts with mules. and we didn't look at it as been poor. we just looked at it as hauling something. I didn't care about a car. it was like whatever. It was until I moved to the states that "i thought i needed a car to fit in and travel" [/b]
it doesn't really matter if you think of it as poor or not...the point is its a sign your poor.

evergreen

16th July 2006, 20:24

Hello all,

What really gets me mad is, when people talk about the embargo. Well guess what? the embargo hasn't stopped the European tourists from staying in lavish hotels which are off limits to Cuban citizens; the embargo hasn't stopped these tourists to get the medical supplies and treatment that Cubans themselves can't have; the embargo hasn't stopped any tourists that go to Cuba and enjoy things that Cubans themselves can't even dream off in their own country.

I can tell you that as a Cuban , www.therealcuba.com , is not a joke. If it is, i will be more than happy to see the evidence any of you can provide to disprove this website.

R_P_A_S

16th July 2006, 22:19

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2006, 05:25 PM
Hello all,

What really gets me mad is, when people talk about the embargo. Well guess what? the embargo hasn't stopped the European tourists from staying in lavish hotels which are off limits to Cuban citizens; the embargo hasn't stopped these tourists to get the medical supplies and treatment that Cubans themselves can't have; the embargo hasn't stopped any tourists that go to Cuba and enjoy things that Cubans themselves can't even dream off in their own country.

I can tell you that as a Cuban , www.therealcuba.com , is not a joke. If it is, i will be more than happy to see the evidence any of you can provide to disprove this website.
I hope that changes. but thats it. I don't want those people to get corrupted like all of us here in America have been brainswash by materialism.

I honestly can give a flying fuck about staying in a lavish hotel or living the life, or the american dream. longest I have my health, and education, love, food. im a happy camper. f

Dr. Rosenpenis

17th July 2006, 04:33

Originally posted by theraven+Jul 16 2006, 12:21 AM--> (theraven @ Jul 16 2006, 12:21 AM)
[email protected] 16 2006, 05:08 AM
Interesting Web Site. I want to believe that is not all true.

http://www.therealcuba.com/
THE REAL CUBA! (http://www.therealcuba.com/)
well think about it thsi way

what kind of country would make familes spend their life savings on a make shift raft to sail across 90 miles of shark infested waters?

well those websites have your answer.

and yes there is poverty in the US, but guess what-theres poverty everywhere. [/b]
God damnit, you suck.
Cubans come to the US like all poor people like to go to where there's money and jobs. It has nothing to do with capitalism or the lack thereof. Cuba, in fact, as you can easily see, has a higher standard of living than anyother country in Latin America, with the possible exception Argentina in some areas. But like all people experiencing poverty, many move to wealthier parts of the country or the world. Look at all the Mexicans risking their lives to get into the US. They don't give a fuck about economic policy. Just like Cubans. Otherwise they might as well go to Haiti... much closer, and less guarded by the Cuban government.

So like everywhere else in Latin America, Cuba is poor...because of a lack of industrial development, the nature of their colonialization, and imperialism... but Cuba has, to a great extent, improved conditions. In terms of medical treatment, education, food, water, transportation and the availability of these things, Cuba is unparalelled, even by many firts world countries. So shut the fuck up, you ignorant motherfucking capitalist shit. I could show you millions more people in Brazil, subject to conditions a million times worse than that.

Dr. Rosenpenis

17th July 2006, 04:50

http://www.therealcuba.com/Castroevo2.JPG

lolololol

LittleMao

17th July 2006, 04:55

The thing to remeber about the porverty in Cuba is that it is not Communism's fault.
Take any other country in the area, and they are just as poor. It is not a matter of social order. Take a look of some poor people in other countries. They are all poor.

RevSouth

17th July 2006, 05:17

http://www.therealcuba.com/Page23.htm
Look at the sources. These may just be rich ex-Cubans who want to cash in on a Capitalist Cuba.

red team

17th July 2006, 05:22

If there wasn't any poverty in the U.S. Capitalist paradise people wouldn't be reading:

P.N.N. (http://www.poormagazine.org/) Where the poor go for their news

theraven

17th July 2006, 07:05

Originally posted by RedZeppelin+Jul 17 2006, 01:34 AM--> (RedZeppelin @ Jul 17 2006, 01:34 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2006, 12:21 AM

[email protected] 16 2006, 05:08 AM
Interesting Web Site. I want to believe that is not all true.

http://www.therealcuba.com/
THE REAL CUBA! (http://www.therealcuba.com/)
well think about it thsi way

what kind of country would make familes spend their life savings on a make shift raft to sail across 90 miles of shark infested waters?

well those websites have your answer.

and yes there is poverty in the US, but guess what-theres poverty everywhere.
God damnit, you suck.
Cubans come to the US like all poor people like to go to where there's money and jobs. It has nothing to do with capitalism or the lack thereof. Cuba, in fact, as you can easily see, has a higher standard of living than anyother country in Latin America, with the possible exception Argentina in some areas. But like all people experiencing poverty, many move to wealthier parts of the country or the world. Look at all the Mexicans risking their lives to get into the US. They don't give a fuck about economic policy. Just like Cubans. Otherwise they might as well go to Haiti... much closer, and less guarded by the Cuban government.

So like everywhere else in Latin America, Cuba is poor...because of a lack of industrial development, the nature of their colonialization, and imperialism... but Cuba has, to a great extent, improved conditions. In terms of medical treatment, education, food, water, transportation and the availability of these things, Cuba is unparalelled, even by many firts world countries. So shut the fuck up, you ignorant motherfucking capitalist shit. I could show you millions more people in Brazil, subject to conditions a million times worse than that. [/b]
no ones denying south america has a shitty economy, but then agin most of south america seems to alterantie between some sort of dictoatr who enforces economci roder and some sort of populist who screws p both the civil rights and economic order.

I am sure there are plent of poeple badly off in plenty of parts of the wrold. the point of this thread is cuba is a hellhole just like those other countires, get over it.

-notice how a restircted member managed to not use profantaies in his argumnet despite a mod having to do so.

If there wasn't any poverty in the U.S. Capitalist paradise people wouldn't be reading:

P.N.N. Where the poor go for their news

1) no one denies thiers poverty in the US, just that its no where near a s abd s poverty in other countires

2) i highly doubt the poor get their news from pnn-more likely stupid marxists get thier news there.

Americancommi

17th July 2006, 07:58

Nothing Human Is Alien

17th July 2006, 08:14

http://www.cubatruth.info

&

Q: Why do so many people leave Cuba and go to the United States?
A: Actually, by percentage, few Cubans actually leave Cuba, and there are many issues involved. Firstly, before the Cuban Revolution the United States gave very few Cubans visas to come to the United States, but after the revolution the doors were opened wide. Secondly, the United States has held an unjust trade embargo against Cuba for 40 years (which has been condemed several times in the United Nations by almost every country in the world) which has caused the people of Cuba to suffer. Finally, the United States enacted the 'Cuban Adjustment Act', the only act of its kind anywhere in the world, which grants residency to anyone, no matter if they are a criminal or not, who leaves Cuba and reaches the United States in any fashion. Imagine if the same act applied to all of Latin America! How many people from other countries would leave for the United States? How many people leave places like Mexico and the Dominican Republic now?

http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/ry/faq.html

ZeroPain

17th July 2006, 09:00

This man has no boat, he must be poor!

http://media.funlol.com/content/katrina19.jpg

red team

17th July 2006, 09:04

2) i highly doubt the poor get their news from pnn-more likely stupid marxists get thier news there.

Not a Marxist, but he had his good points.

Marx is dead, but so is Smith. They're long dead 19th century relics.

evergreen

17th July 2006, 09:48

The hotels that don't let cubans in arn't the cuban governments fault its the fault of the the capatalists that run them. They don't give a shit about cubans they just care about turning cuba into a giant resort for the rest of the world. If you don't beleive that then u must ask urself why do the hotels only take dollars instead of pesos or why they don't even let cubans in(unless they work there of course). You have to give the cuban government some credit, its by no means perfect, but they do have some really great social programs and good doctors that are available for everyone

So, it's not the government's fault, it's the Hotel's fault. :rolleyes: Yes , just like it isn't the human's fault for global warming, it's the gas emissions! :lol:

Come on man, you can't sound more biased than that. Obviously it's just as much as the government's fault, if not they wouldn't allow such a thing; in fact i don't know of any country in which their own citizens can't even step into tourist hotels in their own country!

What you said is so conflictive, and would obviously be making Fidel the biggest hypocrite the face of the world has ever seen. Capitalist pigs running the show on the island of the biggest supposed anti-capitalist figure in the Americas? you said it's the capitalists running the Hotels. I know many of the Hotels are of foreign companies, but that's what im trying to get at, then why does Fidel allow it?

By the way yes, of course Cuba has some great doctors, but what good is that for when there isn't even an aspirin to cure a headache? And about the availability, im not so sure on that, since Cuban doctors are sent into Africa and currently Venezuela and other parts.

theraven

17th July 2006, 17:06

Originally posted by red [email protected] 17 2006, 06:05 AM

2) i highly doubt the poor get their news from pnn-more likely stupid marxists get thier news there.

Not a Marxist, but he had his good points.

Marx is dead, but so is Smith. They're long dead 19th century relics.
smith was in the 18th....

and fine how bout "wannabe revolutoinaries"

Karl Marx's Camel

17th July 2006, 19:15

Interesting Web Site. I want to believe that is not all true.

http://www.therealcuba.com/
THE REAL CUBA!

It's worse than The Cuba Truth Project (not too found of it either).

"All Cubans are now able to receive excellent healthcare, which is also free." But the truth is very different.

That's true. And I think that's about the only truth on that webpage.

The site is crying about inequality in Cuba. It's not like they give a shit about equality.

Dr. Rosenpenis

17th July 2006, 20:09

Originally posted by theraven+Jul 16 2006, 11:06 PM--> (theraven @ Jul 16 2006, 11:06 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2006, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2006, 12:21 AM

[email protected] 16 2006, 05:08 AM
Interesting Web Site. I want to believe that is not all true.

http://www.therealcuba.com/
THE REAL CUBA! (http://www.therealcuba.com/)
well think about it thsi way

what kind of country would make familes spend their life savings on a make shift raft to sail across 90 miles of shark infested waters?

well those websites have your answer.

and yes there is poverty in the US, but guess what-theres poverty everywhere.
God damnit, you suck.
Cubans come to the US like all poor people like to go to where there's money and jobs. It has nothing to do with capitalism or the lack thereof. Cuba, in fact, as you can easily see, has a higher standard of living than anyother country in Latin America, with the possible exception Argentina in some areas. But like all people experiencing poverty, many move to wealthier parts of the country or the world. Look at all the Mexicans risking their lives to get into the US. They don't give a fuck about economic policy. Just like Cubans. Otherwise they might as well go to Haiti... much closer, and less guarded by the Cuban government.

So like everywhere else in Latin America, Cuba is poor...because of a lack of industrial development, the nature of their colonialization, and imperialism... but Cuba has, to a great extent, improved conditions. In terms of medical treatment, education, food, water, transportation and the availability of these things, Cuba is unparalelled, even by many firts world countries. So shut the fuck up, you ignorant motherfucking capitalist shit. I could show you millions more people in Brazil, subject to conditions a million times worse than that.
no ones denying south america has a shitty economy, but then agin most of south america seems to alterantie between some sort of dictoatr who enforces economci roder and some sort of populist who screws p both the civil rights and economic order.

I am sure there are plent of poeple badly off in plenty of parts of the wrold. the point of this thread is cuba is a hellhole just like those other countires, get over it.

-notice how a restircted member managed to not use profantaies in his argumnet despite a mod having to do so. [/b]
(1) I didn't have to use profanity. My arguments and points were made totally independently of the insults. (2) If we in Latin America are poor because of recent economic policy, it's practically one hundred percent due to North American anti-communist foreign policies. And governments are far more stable here than you think. I know because I've lived in America and I know what the popular notion of South America is -- and it isn't true. The little truth in what you described is neither responsible for the poverty in Latin America or the current state of things in general.

Cuba is a lot better off that practically any other Latin American country. Try to prove me otherwise.

theraven

17th July 2006, 21:22

(1) I didn't have to use profanity. My arguments and points were made totally independently of the insults.

which is why it was in the middle.

(2) If we in Latin America are poor because of recent economic policy, it's practically one hundred percent due to North American anti-communist foreign policies. And governments are far more stable here than you think. I know because I've lived in America and I know what the popular notion of South America is -- and it isn't true. The little truth in what you described is neither responsible for the poverty in Latin America or the current state of things in general.

Cuba is a lot better off that practically any other Latin American country. Try to prove me otherwise.

1) how has americas ANTI-communsit policies heart latin americas economic policy?

2) some are stable, but ocmapred to america it is not all that stable.

R_P_A_S

17th July 2006, 22:20

the fucking guy who runs this page is a damn accountant in miami beach. LOL

R_P_A_S

17th July 2006, 22:21

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2006, 07:21 PM
the fucking guy who runs this page is a damn accountant in miami beach. LOL
not revleft. im talking about the cuban page

Commie Girl

17th July 2006, 22:31

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2006, 12:49 AM

The hotels that don't let cubans in arn't the cuban governments fault its the fault of the the capatalists that run them. They don't give a shit about cubans they just care about turning cuba into a giant resort for the rest of the world. If you don't beleive that then u must ask urself why do the hotels only take dollars instead of pesos or why they don't even let cubans in(unless they work there of course). You have to give the cuban government some credit, its by no means perfect, but they do have some really great social programs and good doctors that are available for everyone

So, it's not the government's fault, it's the Hotel's fault. :rolleyes: Yes , just like it isn't the human's fault for global warming, it's the gas emissions! :lol:

Come on man, you can't sound more biased than that. Obviously it's just as much as the government's fault, if not they wouldn't allow such a thing; in fact i don't know of any country in which their own citizens can't even step into tourist hotels in their own country!

What you said is so conflictive, and would obviously be making Fidel the biggest hypocrite the face of the world has ever seen. Capitalist pigs running the show on the island of the biggest supposed anti-capitalist figure in the Americas? you said it's the capitalists running the Hotels. I know many of the Hotels are of foreign companies, but that's what im trying to get at, then why does Fidel allow it?

By the way yes, of course Cuba has some great doctors, but what good is that for when there isn't even an aspirin to cure a headache? And about the availability, im not so sure on that, since Cuban doctors are sent into Africa and currently Venezuela and other parts.
Mexicans are not free to enter Mexican resorts and hotels. Or use the tourist beaches. But hey, they are capitalist, so it must be okay? <_<

Janus

17th July 2006, 22:55

the fucking guy who runs this page is a damn accountant in miami beach.
You have to be very skeptical about a lot of the info. presented about Cuba in the US since there is a great chance that it is by the Cuban exiles.

LSD

18th July 2006, 00:54

Is there ANY country you guys look up to except Sweden which is really capitlalist?

:lol:

I highly doubt that anyone here "looks up to" Sweden. I think you've confused us with the Democratic party... :rolleyes:

What did you think about that massacre of Cubans on the Tugboat?

I thought let's see some sources!

Nothing Human Is Alien

18th July 2006, 00:59

Almost as bad as The Cuba Truth Project.

Why don't you refute any of the facts on that page (which are all sourced)... go ahead.. if not, shut the fuck up.

Karl Marx's Camel

18th July 2006, 01:21

It wasn't meant to be that harsh (I wrote in a hurry)). What I wrote was not what I meant. What I meant was that therealcuba is bad; even the Cuba Truth Project is better, which somewhat seems to glorify the situation in Cuba, or at least make it seem better than it is

In my opinion, the truth is far from the crap that the rightwing spew out, but also relatively far away from the idealization of the situation in Cuba, though the left tends to be closer to the truth in many regards.

There's talk of Persons Per Doctor. Yet almost half of Cuban doctors are overseas. The Cuban population need doctors and there is almost a lack of doctors now, unfortunately.

theraven

18th July 2006, 01:23

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2006, 07:56 PM

the fucking guy who runs this page is a damn accountant in miami beach.
You have to be very skeptical about a lot of the info. presented about Cuba in the US since there is a great chance that it is by the Cuban exiles.
so? wouldn't they know the most...

Karl Marx's Camel

18th July 2006, 01:24

so? wouldn't they know the most...

Even if they do a lot of them lie about most.

Some of them are honest and good people of course.

But a lot of bastards are concentrated among the "cuban exile" category. Among them, exiles who have blown up cuban civilian airplanes, used explosives on night clubs, resturants in Cuba. For example, on August 4 , 1997 terrorist bomb goes off in the Melia Cohiba hotel.

red team

18th July 2006, 01:45

and fine how bout "wannabe revolutoinaries"

Nope. I've got relatively better bargaining power because (for now) intelligence and skills can't be replaced by technology. Furthermore, my field of work is in technology and business management which are the two most important things that keep a big business running. Even if you want to replace people with technology you'll need my specialised knowledge at some point to actually run the machines and to manage the money. No matter how much you want to get rid of those "meddling workers" the truth is you need a highly skilled consultant/adviser/free-lancer like me more than I need you, so I won't be anywhere near a rebellion when it breaks out. But, that doesn't mean I'll risk my neck defending my boss when the enraged mob finally comes for him. I owe him no loyalties as I'm just a hired tool like any other worker, albeit a tool that's relatively more expensive and valuable.

evergreen

18th July 2006, 02:06

Mexicans are not free to enter Mexican resorts and hotels. Or use the tourist beaches. But hey, they are capitalist, so it must be okay?

Please prove this to me! I highly doubt that. Exclusive tourist only destinations. :unsure: Sounds really bad to me. Either way, even if another country has it, it's really absurd and just downright incomprehensible. I thought you guys fought injustice and cared for the "citizen workers" or what not. Ironically most support Cuba here though. <_<

Nothing Human Is Alien

18th July 2006, 02:12

Dominicans can't enter resorts or use 'private beaches' in the Dominican Republic either (especially in areas like Bavaro/Punta Cana).. of course, Domini-yorks (Dominicans that live in the U.S., especially in NY) can come in as long as they have $$.

The reason for Cubans not being allowed in the resorts is to prevent prostitution. Prostitution had been almost entirely eliminated before the special period and boost in foreign tourism.

Of course, those who are opposed to socialist Cuba will attack it for anything.. how does it go, damned if we do, damned if we don't? The same people that attack Cuba for having tourist only resorts (and there alot of things in Cuba that are for Cubans only.. like ultra-cheap transportation!) attack it for the existance of prostitution! They don't criticize from a principled position to began with though anyway (usually)..

Dr. Rosenpenis

18th July 2006, 05:12

which is why it was in the middle.

delete the insults from my post and you'll see that it still makes perfect sense and all the points are still there, you fucking idiot.

1) how has americas ANTI-communsit policies heart latin americas economic policy?

This just goes to show how little you Americans know about the recent history of their neighbors... suspiciously in cases when your own government is responsible for so much destruction and corruption.

Look up, on wikipedia or something, twentieth century history of Chile, Guatemala, Brazil, Argentina, Cuba, Mexico, or practically any Latin American country. If they don't have the shit the US gubment did, look up something better on Google. Chomsky wrote some good shit on this.

2) some are stable, but ocmapred to america it is not all that stable.

America is a very stable country.
More stable than practically any currentlyexisting country I can think of. Maybe the UK has had more stability. Stability means shit. I'm sorry you people haven't had a change in government after all these years.

I'm tired of you ass-holes. Somebody else deal with this raving imbecile.

bye

theraven

18th July 2006, 05:52

delete the insults from my post and you'll see that it still makes perfect sense and all the points are still there, you fucking idiot.

I never said the insults were a crux of your argumnet, however they do detract. they make you look weak and stupid.

This just goes to show how little you Americans know about the recent history of their neighbors... suspiciously in cases when your own government is responsible for so much destruction and corruption.

Look up, on wikipedia or something, twentieth century history of Chile, Guatemala, Brazil, Argentina, Cuba, Mexico, or practically any Latin American country. If they don't have the shit the US gubment did, look up something better on Google. Chomsky wrote some good shit on this.

i am aware the US and USSR tried to install various governmnets in south america. i am sure this disrupted things if thats what you mean.

America is a very stable country.
More stable than practically any currentlyexisting country I can think of. Maybe the UK has had more stability. Stability means shit. I'm sorry you people haven't had a change in government after all these years.

1) you'd actually be right, we have the longest running government in existance with the possible exception of the UK.

2) why would we want a change in government

Jazzratt

18th July 2006, 15:54

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2006, 02:53 AM

America is a very stable country.
More stable than practically any currentlyexisting country I can think of. Maybe the UK has had more stability. Stability means shit. I'm sorry you people haven't had a change in government after all these years.

1) you'd actually be right, we have the longest running government in existance with the possible exception of the UK.

2) why would we want a change in government
Two is the answer to one. You are still using a centuries old system of government which is most certianly not conduicive to progressive change. There again you want everyone to be either a wage slave or a leech so you probably would support the US' system of regress.

Dr. Rosenpenis

18th July 2006, 19:16

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2006, 09:53 PM
I never said the insults were a crux of your argumnet, however they do detract. they make you look weak and stupid.
Shut the fuck up, focus on the actual issues at hand, and accept the insults.

i am aware the US and USSR tried to install various governmnets in south america. i am sure this disrupted things if thats what you mean.

All leftist rebllions (or all significant ones) were most certainly local initiatives. They certainly didn't need support from the Soviets. "Disrupted things"? Jesus Christ. Why don't you just do what I say and stop being such a ignorant motherfucking cretin? All of the countries I listed (and more) underwent US-sponsored dictatorships which opened up these countries' resources for exploitation by the first world, suppressed leftist movements, and generally fucked shit up.

1) you'd actually be right, we have the longest running government in existance with the possible exception of the UK.

k

2) why would we want a change in government

Because it sucks.