Mass Mobilisation, already now! - for all those who say revo

[Kez]

One hears time and time again, that revolution is a romantic vision in the eyes of the youth, fuck that.
The revolution is at our doorstep and it needs a marxist perspective to push the mobilisations to socialist revolution.
time to read and educate ourselves so we can act now!
Read the cases below for more motivation

http://www.marxist.com/Asia/india_gen_strike0503.html
http://www.marxist.com/Europe/italy_may03_cb.html
http://www.marxist.com/Europe/fra_strike0503.html
http://www.marxist.com/Europe/swe_council_strike.html
http://www.marxist.com/Europe/aut_protest0503.html
http://www.marxist.com/Europe/germany_trai...inspotters.html (http://www.marxist.com/Europe/germany_trainspotters.html)

all this in the last few weeks
get up, and help, educate, agitate, organise!

Enter the labour movement, and spearhead it into the marxist direction. Look what the marxists in spain did with the spanish students, massive turnout for socialism, we can do this, not in 100 years, not in 20 years, but in 10. Its laready happening in Argentina and venuzueala.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I admire your efforts and I'll see what i can do, comrade

[smoer]

i'm really touched,i mean it,stand up for youre rights!i'm with you bro!

[Pete]

Stand up for your rights eh? That would not be a slogan that I would use for sure. If you stand up for your rights and they are given to you, then what else do you have to stand up for? Your battle is over before real change has come.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I think he means "stand up for the workers' rights." Unless I'm mistaken

[Urban Rubble]

I think most people's problem isn't standing up for their rights, it's standing up at all.

[praxis1966]

I think most people's problem isn't standing up for their rights, it's standing up at all.Here here.

[redstar2000]

Well, TK, as one of those people who talked about revolution "in 100 years", I remind you that I was speaking of the United States.

I think the prospects are much better in western Europe...perhaps 30 to 50 years will be sufficient, perhaps less.

I do not think that "it is already happening" in Argentina or Venezuela...although there are promising developments in both places.

All "predictions" are really just guesswork...probably depending more on one's mood at the moment than on anything else.

Whether things are going well or going poorly is, in a way, not really to the point; the need to press on is always the right thing to do.

:cool:

[Invader Zim]

In a revolution the socialist movment will be crushed by the USA, the only way forward is by using a democratic approach, as then the power of the military automatically becomes the military of the successful movment.

Military stpos forign intervention and there for gaurds the protection of the movment.

[CubanFox]

What would be a much sweeter reality than say, waiting for a few centuries for a large nation to crumble would be to take action NOW, or in a few years, to make a tiny country socialist. It all gets alot easier when we talk in tens of thousands rather than hundreds of millions of people, eh?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Quite an excellent point, CubaFox, or even in any nation where the notion of somthing better than capitalism is accepted or the where the people can relate to a workers' struggle, a revolution seems not so far away. Any relatively small third-world nation.

(Edited by Victorcommie at 6:43 pm on May 23, 2003)

[Sandanista]

Well i am of the school of thought that THE revolution could happen now.

[Kez]

the revolution isnt waiting for no fuck, whether it me be me or you. The fact is we must aid the revlution and enhance it.

"Well i am of the school of thought that THE revolution could happen now."
- THe revolution IS happening now
As is shown in the articles on IDOM (In defence of marxism www.marxist.com), the class antagonisms are clear for all to see. No to class collaboration, but fight for the working class

CubanFox, dont get me wrong im not gonna make a point against you just for sake of it, but isnt your ideda poarrallel to socialism in one country? im not sure if i understoond your post correctly, but in anycase what will one tiny island do anyway? Let us not forget we are not fighting this cause for ourselves, but for the working class of the world and to end the injustices put upon ALL of us

AK47, time and time again it is shown the democratic way is no more effective than then revolutionary way. Reform will not get us anywhere. Remember Allende in Chile? Socialist voted in by people, Killed by CIA. The only way is to overthrow the bourgeoise and the tools of the bourgeoise (ie parliaments, judges, school system), only then can we establish a socialist transistroy state towards communism.

RedStar, Although i agree the USA will be harder to crack that Europe, fuck 30-40 years, read some of the stuff happening NOW!
Remeber the portuguese revolution, spanish, french all in 60's and 70's they didnt take 30 eyars to brew up, but 5 years maybe even 10.
THe fact is capitalism is IN CRISIS now, and we must act now, or wait again till capitalism goes into crisis. Socialism falls on deaf ears in a boom period, and were heading into a deep slump (we already entered).
These ideas which you call guestwork are worked up upon dialectical reasoning, not fuckin guesswork, so please dont smear the names of these theoreticians if you dont know what your talking abaout. If you wanna see the USA branch this is their site www.socialistappeal.org The fact of the amtter is there IS a revolution in venuezuela, when people are occupying factories and uunions leaders are being shot i believe it is a revolution, not to say its a marxist revolution yet tho.

Urban Rubble, you got it bang on mate, im of a beleif that WE HAVE the ability to make others stand up, as Lenin said we must patiently explain the ideas of Marxism.

On a personal level im not connected to the unions in a formal way, merely informal (with the firefighthers strike locally), therefore i find it difficult to get into the unions and radicalise it and boot the right wing out. However, i am a member of the youth and i educate and agitate and to some extent organise, this is not meant to be petty boasting, but an example of just one person can do, if everyone did this, then we would be a great help to the revoltuion.

I also beleive that a way to help the venuezuela comradees for example is by helping the international cause, by fighting at home, and when there is victory at home, spread the motherfucker across the continent, as well as sending money or encouragement to venuezuelans.

[CubanFox]

My idea is to start small. Let's say we have all the little Caribbean islands under socialist control, part of a Havana Pact military alliance thing. (you know...Warsaw Pact...Havana...) When America shows signs of crumbling towards socialism, the Havana Pact will provide support to the revolution with guns, men and ammunition. Having littler socialist countries supporting your rebellion means that you have a safety net to fall on when your local sources of guns and men dry up. We can build a Havana Pact within our lifetimes, and perhaps on our deathbeds we will see a red banner over 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Quite a fitting way to end your life. You worked so hard for something...and then you see it happen, and with a smile, you shut your eyes and pass on.