Amnesty International Reports That Israel..

[Dean]

...enacts racist laws, targets basic infrastructure, demolishes houses and holds prisoners of conscience all under an illegal occupation.
http://web.amnesty.org/library/eng-isr/index

Why do you ignore this? Is the crime of its enemies severe enough that the civilians should be subject to death, torture or habeas corpus - free imprisonment?

[power... UNLIMITED POWER!]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 01:50 AM
...enacts racist laws, targets basic infrastructure, demolishes houses and holds prisoners of conscience all under an illegal occupation.
http://web.amnesty.org/library/eng-isr/index

Why do you ignore this? Is the crime of its enemies severe enough that the civilians should be subject to death, torture or habeas corpus - free imprisonment?
I would rather be a prisoner in Iraels than any islamic country. Isreal is basically a western democracy. Where do you get this from?

[Dean]

Originally posted by power... UNLIMITED POWER!@Jul 15 2006, 02:52 AM
I would rather be a prisoner in Iraels than any islamic country. Isreal is basically a western democracy. Where do you get this from?
Amnesty international (AI). The nation of Israel recently adopted legislation that is theocratic, if not racist (AI refers to it as racist).

I'd encourage you to follow the link I provided.

Anyways, Israel is in no way like our (US) western democracy. It has a factionalist system, which means that it is more than a two - party system. Though I do not know all of the facts on Israel's democracy, I do know that the surrounding occupied territories do not have suffrage yet are subjects to laws of Israel.

If this isn't bad enough, those living in the surrounding territories are heavly arab, and the actual state of Israel has a much smaller arab population, effectively leaving the right to vote in the hands of Jews which live in Israel. Zionism (which is politically the idea that Jews have a right to control Israel) coupled with anti-arab sentiments that the Israeli news encourages tend to make the elections heavily conservative.

Interestingly, Ariel Sharon did a complete 180 on his anti - arab policies when he felt he was near death and started (or joined?) a somewhat radical reformist party that sought to end the racist laws that Israel has on its books as well as to withdraw from the occupied territories. (I'm a bit hazy on these last statements, so if someone knows otherwise than tell me).

In regards to your argument about wanting to be a prisoner in Israel, I'd doubt that you would like it much. As far as I know, most or all middle eastern nations participate in torture, and Israel's record is particularly bad. I'd suggest that you follow the link I provided to see how bad the torture is (in fact, recent laws in israel have vastly empowered torture techniques). Maybe your nationality or political alliance would afford you a safer visit to an Israeli jail, but that should not be relevant to moral considerations (except arguments against israel).

[NoMoreBosses]

Israel..which country is that, again?

[theraven]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2006, 06:05 AM
Torturing people and targeting innocent people is an activity that many governments participate in. Israel is one of the most evil states in the world today.
how so?

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by theraven+Jul 18 2006, 02:59 PM--> (theraven @ Jul 18 2006, 02:59 PM)
[email protected] 18 2006, 06:05 AM
Torturing people and targeting innocent people is an activity that many governments participate in. Israel is one of the most evil states in the world today.
how so? [/b]
see > thread

[Janus]

Either way, no action will be done since the US always vetoes any measures made against Israel in the UN. <_<

[Dean]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2006, 07:34 PM
Either way, no action will be done since the US always vetoes any measures made against Israel in the UN. <_<
My point was to bring to rest the defense of Israel by many conservatives here. It of course received no legitimate, direct response, as you can see. No AI report has been heeded by the conservatives; the point was to make it clear that they are ignoring the facts of the Israeli situation.

[Dean]

I&#39;m bumping this because new threads on the Israeli question are arising that ignore, again, the human rights abuses. This should be read and recognized as a cathartc implication of the Israeli state&#39;s necrophilia.