Which Continent?

[Avtomatov]

I read something by the leader of the communist party of britain, about how we should try to win atleast one continent as it is hard for on small socialist country to survive on its own. Which continent to you think has the best chance at socialism?

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2006, 08:07 PM
I read something by the leader of the communist party of britain, about how we should try to win atleast one continent as it is hard for on small socialist country to survive on its own. Which continent to you think has the best chance at socialism?
how about latin america?

[Demogorgon]

South America

[Avtomatov]

thats what i was thinking. I was also thinking we need socialist media there. We need a fundraising organization for socialist media in south america. That would help alot. What do you think?

[Janus]

There are a lot of alternative media sources in Latin America especially the non-oppressive nations.

[Avtomatov]

But they are not mainstream.

[Janus]

Yeah, mainstream media is always dominated by the bourgeois. That's just how it works.

[Avtomatov]

but the socialist media is our base dont you think we should try to help them? or do they not need help?

[Delta]

If you put all of your resources in an alternative media source in an effort to make it mainstream, you really risk the possibility of it turning into another bourgeois propaganda machine. I'm guessing anyway, who knows, maybe it is possible.

[Avtomatov]

I want to do everything i possibly can to help socialism in south america. Maybe i should become a nuclear physicist and make nukes for venezuela.

[Delta]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2006, 03:18 PM
Maybe i should become a nuclear physicist and make nukes for venezuela.
I don't think it's so much the knowledge that they would be lacking, but the resources and experimental equipment that would be tough to come by. Plus it would be a shame to waste all those resources on building nukes and maintaining them when Venezuela's people could really use the money.

[Avtomatov]

maybe they could buy some nukes from NK.

[Tekun]

As much as I would like to see socialism in Latin America, I think that we gotta remember that as oppressed as they are, they are also underdeveloped and underindustrialized
At first look, Latin America is a perfect starting point
The ppl have been exploited, they are poor, corruption is high, and there has always been a popular acceptance of socialist ideas
However, many of the countries that flirted with socialism such as Cuba, Grenada, Nicaragua, and Chile did not make it due to the lack of industry and capital, in addition to the imperialist aggression
Like Marx intended...socialism could be successful if the revolution took place in a highly developed country first, and then spread to less developed countries
In addition, a 1st world country would be strong enough to defend itself against imperialist aggression (mainly the US)

Considering this, I think that France would be a great starting place
Its had a history of revolution, and social consciousness
However, incorporating socialism into other Euro nations seems rather remote right
Therefore, I would say that Australia (as a continent by itself) would experience a successful revolution
Although it is not as industrialized as European nations, it is still one of the most economically developed nations in that region
I think that if Australia adopted socialism, it would spread into neighboring nations like New Zealand, the Philippines, and even Indonesia or India
But that's just my opinion... :D

[Karl Marx's Camel]

I want to do everything i possibly can to help socialism in south america.

In countries such as Venezuela and Bolivia, progressive governments has been elected. And there is clearly class war going on in Venezuela.

I don't think you "need" to fight for them, or anything like that. At least not for now. If the situation turns out like the spanish civil war, they might need volunteers to fight. But that is not the case today.

The people can elect their own leaders, they can choose the road society will take, at least to quite an extent.

It's up to the people in South America. Who are we Europeans and U.S. citizens to dictate what road the people of South America should choose...

[Si Pinto]

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[Delta]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 02:43 AM

Therefore, I would say that Australia (as a continent by itself) would experience a successful revolution

Do you think that Australia has the capability to fight off imperial powers?

[Dreckt]

Europe will probably be the first continent to revolt, but that would happen only in times when other imperialist powers like the US - but also future powers like India, China and Russia - are weak, which could be everything from economic collapse to some war or epidemic...

[Delta]

Do we all agree that this will happen sometime before The Rapture? ;)

[drain.you]

Yeah, use nukes, thats a great idea......*sigh*

i would to say that South America has the most likelyhood of becoming socialist. But America or Europe would have the best chance at socialism because they can afford to make it work (wealthwise).

[Tekun]

Originally posted by Delta+Jul 15 2006, 12:15 AM--> (Delta @ Jul 15 2006, 12:15 AM)
[email protected] 14 2006, 02:43 AM

Therefore, I would say that Australia (as a continent by itself) would experience a successful revolution

Do you think that Australia has the capability to fight off imperial powers? [/b]
I believe so
4 million soldiers seems to be enough to fight off a small scale invasion e.g. Bay of Pigs, Iran 53, Grenada 83
And in case of a large scale invasion, close ties with the EU and the intl community would be plenty to evade such an action

In addition, the abundance of natural resources and capital would almost surely make socialism triumph

[Si Pinto]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2006, 08:35 PM
but the socialist media is our base dont you think we should try to help them? or do they not need help?
I think my views are on this are well known by now, but which socialist media do you mean?

I see very little, practically none in the UK.

[bcbm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 04:43 AM
However, many of the countries that flirted with socialism such as Cuba, Grenada, Nicaragua, and Chile did not make it due to the lack of industry and capital, in addition to the imperialist aggression
I think you have it backwards. Especially in the case of Nicaragua, the revolution could've been won if not for the imperialist aggression.