Police Brutality

[Year: 1]

How do we overcome the agents of the State? Only by relying on worker patrols!

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[bcbm]

You've got it backwards. The gestapo used police-like tactics.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by black banner black [email protected] 12 2006, 09:33 PM
You've got it backwards. The gestapo used police-like tactics.
Hit the nail on the head there.

[Floyce White]

Here is a relevant quote from one of my recent posts (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?act=ST&f=6&t=50034&hl=&view=findpost&p=1292073239):

The police is the state. A police force of vigilantes is a fascist state.

Communism means no police of any kind. People will no longer be slaves with a slave mentality. They will act spontaneously, of their own accord and initiative, as they see fit. People will not tolerate any semblance of the old order, and will physically destroy organizations of "security" or "defense" (read: "offense") or other such euphemisms for organized violence. Such forces always serve only one purpose: treating people, places, and things as or as not belonging as the method/goal of accumulation of belongings.

The many posters here of petty-capitalist family origin are completely in favor of various methods of replacing the current state/police with a different state/police. They do so to better advance their own property interests. It is their class nature. They will always do so no matter what they say they are doing or believe themselves to be doing. Also, leftist Internet message boards are a magnet for anti-communists, agents provocateur, and right wingers posing as left wingers--they are certainly promoting fascism with leftish verbiage.

Let us have no illusions. Leftism is unprincipled opportunism. Leftists today may be willing to promote fascism tomorrow as an acceptable substitute for socialism or anarchism or radical liberalism--if it helps advance their familial property interests. Leftists may be willing to accept fascism as another way to beat down their class enemy: the tenants and employees. Working-class posters here who repeat what is "popular" among the radical bourgeoisie--are being used as a public convenience.

Of course leftists are not opposed in principle to vigilantism. Leftists have no principles, and such is radicalism that it does not distinguish between the ideological dressings of anti-government sympathy. It's motto: "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Every advocacy of small specialized bodies of organized violence is advocacy of class society. A semi-vigilante police force ("Committee for the Defense of the Revolution") under socialist capitalism (DOPE/LOCO) is a fascist, radical-rightist form of organization adapted for socialist, radical-leftist goals. Vigilantism is radicalism--not communism. And it is pure word twisting to say that vigilantism is "not" vigilantism.

Armed Philosopher, "citizen's watch," "paramilitary training," and "community guard" are vigilantism. It would be far more accurate if you would use the word "parapolice." What's more, I must oppose your use of the word "citizens," as if there should be "non-citizens."

Before the achievement of the future world communist society--while there is still class struggle going on--the method of the working class is mass direct action--not special violent organizations. I said so in my October 1, 2002 article Communism Means Communes (http://www.geocities.com/antiproperty/index.html#A18), and in hundreds of discussions of this exact issue, the theory has been overwhelmingly vindicated.

[Entrails Konfetti]

I think a transitory period is necessary since you will need defense units elected from, and accountable to the people to watch over areas incase of sabotage by counter-revolutionaries. Some workers will not be able to be apart of that role, medics, breast-feeding mothers, children, communications personel ect.

Yes there will be armed workers during the revolution, but they will be in different areas of combat. Artillery (when tanks have been ceased from enemy forces), guerilla bands, patrols...ect. We're not going to be just a bunch oh hoolgans firing into the air and screaming-- if you wanna do that go hunting with rednecks.

As for when there isn't a threat of sabotage or terroristic actions on the working-populace, and its been gone for such a long time crimes like murder and rape will still exist. Where such a thing has occured the citizens will have to detain the perpertrator and set him up for trial. To say sex abuse, battery, homicide will be totally wiped out in a Communist society is really idealistic.

[Janus]

Only by relying on worker patrols!
Are you talking about right now or during the revolution?


The police is the state. A police force of vigilantes is a fascist state.
I definitely agree. But how would this mass action work out to control crime and yes I'm aware that much of the crime we see today will dissappear after the revolution.

[Floyce White]

Janus: "But how would this mass action work out to control crime...[?]"

Without law there is no crime.

The interactions between people are the responsibility of those people affected by the interactions. Only in a violent society, where people fear interaction and seek anonymity in the mass of variable-capital servant commodities, is there lack of consideration and disregard of reponsibility for others. Same goes for the exploiters hiding FROM responsibility in the anonymous mass.

Before and during the revolution, the mass of anonymous poor will use mass action. Afterwards, there is more and more knowledge of each other and consideration for each other. Mass meetings, demonstrations, and the like will be unnecessary. Mass action is a form of lower-class struggle. When classes cease to exist, so will the mass and so will mass action.

[Janus]

Without law there is no crime.
But that is the exact reason why laws are put into place.


Before and during the revolution, the mass of anonymous poor will use mass action. Afterwards, there is more and more knowledge of each other and consideration for each other. Mass meetings, demonstrations, and the like will be unnecessary. Mass action is a form of lower-class struggle. When classes cease to exist, so will the mass and so will mass action.
Oh, I thought you were talking about what would occur in a communist society rather than during a DoP.

But this mass action still seems like vigilantism to me; comparable to what occured during the American frontier days.