Bush Approves $80 Million In Funds To Cuba

[Janus]

US President George W Bush has approved an $80m (£43m) fund which he says will go towards boosting democracy in Cuba.

US in $80m 'Cuba democracy' plan (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5166806.stm)

It seems that this funding will go to opposition leaders so this seems as nothing more than another US attempted plot against Cuba.

What do you guys make of this?

[Entrails Konfetti]

I do not approve of him spending my tax dollars to support opposition leaders who I do not support politically.

Futhermore I thought it was against UN policy for states to fund parties.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Yeah this is nothing new, this has been going on for some time.

Read this Statement by the National Assembly of People's Power of the Republic of Cuba (http://freepeoplesmovement.org/cppstatement.html) for more.

[Delta]

Originally posted by EL [email protected] 11 2006, 10:04 AM
I do not approve of him spending my tax dollars to support opposition leaders who I do not support politically.


I agree. Funding "Republicans" in foreign countries is no different than my tax dollars directly going to Republicans here.

[R_P_A_S]

Ok. what do they exactly plan to do? and What can Cuba do to opposed this? Should Cuba opposed this? I just don't want America be running all over Cuba opening up their malls and starbucks.

[CheRev]

Unbelievable that they can get away with writing such reports and then being allowed to agree it into law! Wait for the thundering silence of the press on this!! Although it's pretty good for the Cuban's to know what to expect and then plan for it.

It amazes me that the Cuban-American's in Miami can wield such power over successive governments, can anyone shed light on this for me?

[Andy Bowden]

I wonder how many Socialists who condemn this aid will later turn out to call it's acceptants "political prisoners" when they're arrested :rolleyes:

[pcb]

American arogance in negating international law is common place. Everyone else has to adhere to laws when the American Establishment pick and chooses which ones they take notice off. The long running hatred of Cuba,s government stems from the revolution won by Castro and Che' and the open sore that a small country can defy the financial and covert miltary clout of the USA.

[Janus]

Should Cuba opposed this?
Yes.


It amazes me that the Cuban-American's in Miami can wield such power over successive governments, can anyone shed light on this for me?
Cuba humiliated the US and has always been a thorn in its side so the Cuban exile community finds eager ears in the politicians up in Washington DC.

[Andy Bowden]

I don't think the US attacks Cuba cos there are a lot of Cuban Exile voters. I think that falls into the same trap as the "Jewish Lobby" thinking - that if only a small group (race?) of people were dealt with, the US wouldn't act so nastily.

The US attacks Cuba because it's within the US leaderships interests - regardless of background - to destroy Cuba's example in the third world.

[Janus]

cos there are a lot of Cuban Exile voters
They may be small but they are a very vocal group.

[RebelDog]

Quote from answers.com on Chomsky


Chomsky has repeatedly emphasized that the overall framework of U.S. foreign policy can be explained by the domestic dominance of U.S. business interests and a drive to secure the capitalist system more generally. Those interests set the political agenda and the economic goals that aim primarily at U.S. economic dominance. Though the general framework of foreign policy planning can be explained on economic grounds it does not explain every intervention, many of which are negligible or even counterproductive from the point of view of short term economic interests. His conclusion is that a significant part of the United States' foreign policy is based on stemming the "threat of a good example" (which he says is another name for the domino theory). The "threat of a good example" is that a country could successfully develop outside the U.S. sphere of influence, thus presenting a model for other countries, including countries in which the United States does have strong economic interests. This, Chomsky says, has prompted the United States to repeatedly intervene to quell "independent development, regardless of ideology" in regions of the world where it has little economic or safety interests

I think this is a reason why Cuba continues to be so harrassed by the US as proposed by Chomsky as alluded to by member Andy Bowden. It is embarrassing for the US to have a country right beside them they cannot control and especially one which has improved social standards for its people whilst a country like Haiti recieving of such lavish US aid has advanced very little up the world health and education league. Cuba has first world health and education standards that are better than the US for many of the US's citizens.
I think the above quote is close to current US policy toward Cuba. If any country around the world was to declare itself communist we all know it will rouse US interest.

[Kid_A7]

I hardly believe 80 Million Dollars will be sufficient to overthrow Castro or his succesor. However that does not mean i'm not frightend by the possibility of Starbuks setting up franchises all across Havana.

Question is, still, what can anybody who isn't Castro do about it except for sitt in front of his/her computer and contemplate...

[Karl Marx's Camel]

That's a lot of money.

But I do not think the funding of the "opposition" will be a big problem for the govt. The regime in Cuba got their hands tied around the balls of the "dissidents".

It would've been more serious in Venezuela, where the opposition is free.

[Viva Fidel!!]

I can tell you that I am one of the few Cuban-Americans who lives in Miami and supports Fidel Castro. And I will also tell you that as long as George W. Bush keeps making an effort to turn Cuba into another puppet democracy (no matter how much of our money he uses), they will keep supporting him. I can also tell you that during the U.S presidential election of 2004, just about every Cuban exile who became a U.S citizen voted for Bush. And IF the United States turns Cuba into a democracy, Cuba will face the same situations and conditions of other Latin American countries who have a puppet democracy set up as their form of government by the United States. And I hope when those exiles (anti-castro) witness the oppression that will be placed upon their people by the U.S, they feel guilty for supporting the son of a ***** who made that nightmare a reality.

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by Viva Fidel!!@Jul 13 2006, 06:02 PM
I can tell you that I am one of the few Cuban-Americans who lives in Miami and supports Fidel Castro. And I will also tell you that as long as George W. Bush keeps making an effort to turn Cuba into another puppet democracy (no matter how much of our money he uses), they will keep supporting him. I can also tell you that during the U.S presidential election of 2004, just about every Cuban exile who became a U.S citizen voted for Bush. And IF the United States turns Cuba into a democracy, Cuba will face the same situations and conditions of other Latin American countries who have a puppet democracy set up as their form of government by the United States. And I hope when those exiles (anti-castro) witness the oppression that will be placed upon their people by the U.S, they feel guilty for supporting the son of a ***** who made that nightmare a reality.
Yeah. like the dominican republic

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Question is, still, what can anybody who isn't Castro do about it except for sitt in front of his/her computer and contemplate...

Organize and mobilize to defend the Cuban revolution.

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by Compañ[email protected] 13 2006, 07:42 PM

Question is, still, what can anybody who isn't Castro do about it except for sitt in front of his/her computer and contemplate...

Organize and mobilize to defend the Cuban revolution.
how do we get started?

here are my questions.

percentage wise Cubans that live in Cuba. How many do you think will fight for their revolution?
how many do you think will be OK with the U.S. coming in there and "liberating them"

[R_P_A_S]

up
up!

[Janus]

how do we get started?
We already have started. Spread awareness on the truth in what is going on in Cuba. And denouncing and protesting any US agression towards Cuba.

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2006, 08:46 PM

how do we get started?
We already have started. Spread awareness on the truth in what is going on in Cuba. And denouncing and protesting any US agression towards Cuba.
I need help. I need like a list of facts and also just some pointers to have. so people can see what we mean. and its easier for them to understand. basically things that make the embargo look bad and just the U.S.'s policies, etc. I cant just tell people to spread the word because most people dont know the situation and prob dont give a damn. I think if we present them with some easy to follow luterature and facts they will agree more. atleast understand it.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

http://www.cubatruth.info

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by Compañ[email protected] 13 2006, 08:51 PM
http://www.cubatruth.info
great site comrade! thanks!

[Tekun]

Another attempt by Condi Rice, Donnie Rumsfeld, and many anti-Castro Cuban's to spread the American sphere of influence into Cuba
If they really desired to help and improve the lives of Cubans...they would lift the embargo and cooperate with the Cuban gov to improve conditions
But as we all know, they don't care about the ppl, they care about their interests
Examples are abundant in Latin America

Isn't plotting to overthrow a foreign government by another government some sort of act of war?
I think it is, but seeing how the US is untouchable in respect to foreign relations...no outcry except from Venezuela and Bolivia

I hope when the time comes, that the Cuban gov doesn't make the same mistake that Jacob Arbenz Guzman made in Guatemala in 54...the Cuban gov should arm the ppl, and Venezuela should keep watch in case the US goes in like they did in Grenada in 83

[Solitary Mind]

Originally posted by Compañ[email protected] 13 2006, 08:51 PM
http://www.cubatruth.info
This is a great site, just got done looking through it. Really helpful, good lookin out comrade

VIVA CUBA LIBRE! LIBRE PARA CUBANOS, NO LOS YANQUIS AMERICANOS Y TODO LOS GUSANOS EN AMERICA!

[Viva Fidel!!]

You can always visit http://www.cubatruth.info or check out Solitary Minds. www.myspace.com/solitaryminds

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 10:30 AM
Another attempt by Condi Rice, Donnie Rumsfeld, and many anti-Castro Cuban's to spread the American sphere of influence into Cuba
If they really desired to help and improve the lives of Cubans...they would lift the embargo and cooperate with the Cuban gov to improve conditions
But as we all know, they don't care about the ppl, they care about their interests
Examples are abundant in Latin America

Isn't plotting to overthrow a foreign government by another government some sort of act of war?
I think it is, but seeing how the US is untouchable in respect to foreign relations...no outcry except from Venezuela and Bolivia

I hope when the time comes, that the Cuban gov doesn't make the same mistake that Jacob Arbenz Guzman made in Guatemala in 54...the Cuban gov should arm the ppl, and Venezuela should keep watch in case the US goes in like they did in Grenada in 83
just curious but what interest does that U.S. have in Cuba that It dont get already from the rest of latin america? and what happened in Graneda in 83?

[R_P_A_S]

please..reply

[Janus]

just curious but what interest does that U.S. have in Cuba
Cuba has been a thorn in its side since 1959. The US wants Castro and his party out.


and what happened in Graneda in 83?
The US invaded Grenada after a Communist party took over.

[Tekun]

Originally posted by R_P_A_S+Jul 14 2006, 08:34 PM--> (R_P_A_S @ Jul 14 2006, 08:34 PM)
[email protected] 14 2006, 10:30 AM
Another attempt by Condi Rice, Donnie Rumsfeld, and many anti-Castro Cuban's to spread the American sphere of influence into Cuba
If they really desired to help and improve the lives of Cubans...they would lift the embargo and cooperate with the Cuban gov to improve conditions
But as we all know, they don't care about the ppl, they care about their interests
Examples are abundant in Latin America

Isn't plotting to overthrow a foreign government by another government some sort of act of war?
I think it is, but seeing how the US is untouchable in respect to foreign relations...no outcry except from Venezuela and Bolivia

I hope when the time comes, that the Cuban gov doesn't make the same mistake that Jacob Arbenz Guzman made in Guatemala in 54...the Cuban gov should arm the ppl, and Venezuela should keep watch in case the US goes in like they did in Grenada in 83
just curious but what interest does that U.S. have in Cuba that It dont get already from the rest of latin america? and what happened in Graneda in 83? [/b]
The shifts to the left in Venezuela and Bolivia are somewhat fueled or inspired by what Cuba has been doing since the revolution in 59
Both Chavez and Morales have publicly claimed that their movements and ideologies have been inspired by Castro and Cuba
Therefore, if Cuba falls into American hands...Venezuela and Bolivia are more likely to fall or move away from this anti-American position
In addition, other nations that have strong leftist parties would lose support or inspiration if Cuba ever fell
The FMLN in El Salvador and the Sandinistas in Nicaragua are an example

Another "interest" is what Janus pointed at
Cuba has been able to defy American policies, and they've survived
Therefore, if America ever reconquered Cuba, they would show to the world that America will never be denied, thus strengthening America's invincibility and imperialism

Plus, by reconquering Cuba...all of our Cuban American "friends" would have carte blanche in repossesing Cuba's markets and political power
Thus making Cuba another Mexico


Grenada: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Grenada
Gotta love that Ronnie Reagan! :angry:

[Axel1917]

Originally posted by EL [email protected] 11 2006, 06:04 PM
I do not approve of him spending my tax dollars to support opposition leaders who I do not support politically.

Futhermore I thought it was against UN policy for states to fund parties.
The US made the UN, and the US can break it.

The UN pretty much exists to protect imperialist policiesi anyway.n Just another "thieves' kitchen" (Lenin's words to describe the League of Nations) if you ask me.