Gas Masks?

[RevSouth]

I look to buy a gas mask soon, mostly for tear gas, pretty much anything the police can throw at you. I've read the Israeli ones are good, anyone got suggestions, where to buy, etc.? I also need to know which take the NATO filters. Any help would be appreciated.

[Orange Juche]

I would argue not to purposely buy anything from Israel.

[which doctor]

You can get them for pretty cheap at your local army-surplus store.

[RevSouth]

Yeah I know, I don't like to buy Israeli shit, but their masks are pretty solid from what I hear, and easy to come by for decent prices.

[bezdomni]

It's pretty much all the same shit when you're talking about incredibly militarized countires like the US or Israel...just get whichever you like the best.

Army surplus stores are incredibly helpful in getting these sorts of things.

They also usually have empty grenades. I like those.

[which doctor]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2006, 09:46 PM
They also usually have empty grenades. I like those.
I've seen big barrels of these grenades in military surplus stoes before. What exactly do you do with them?

[bezdomni]

Originally posted by Fist of Blood+Jul 13 2006, 02:51 AM--> (Fist of Blood @ Jul 13 2006, 02:51 AM)
[email protected] 12 2006, 09:46 PM
They also usually have empty grenades. I like those.
I've seen big barrels of these grenades in military surplus stoes before. What exactly do you do with them? [/b]
You can refill 'em, although I've personally not tested any of them out.

Aside from looking cool, they could be pretty useful for even making smoke bombs...I'd imagine.

Plus, they are pretty easy to swipe. :P

[Janus]

Getting them all the way from Israel may be expensive. The military-suplus store is best.

[Comrade Marcel]

Who the fuck cares if it's from Israel? Honestly, they get billions of dollars from the U$ and have multi-billion dollar industries in Israel. I seriously doubt one gas mask will make or break the state, plus you are going to be more or less using it against them anyways. More likely the gas mask is going to be second-hand as well, unless Chattcom is looking for brand new?

If you do get second hand, just keep in mind it might not be 100% (they discard them for a reason). So, well it should - key word, should - be ok for tear/CS gas, I wouldn't trust it for, let's say mustard gas or anthrax or something. ;)

You can find a lot of gas masks on e-bay or other auction sites. If you're a sentimental type like me, you can find Soviet ones occasionally. If you live in a metropolis, chances are there will be a military store somewhere that sells them.

Good luck, let us know what your solution when and if you find one, in case it can help others.

[apathy maybe]

I have never seen a working military gas mask in Australia. I've seen a crappy old one, but the filters were avaliable.

In Australia at least (according to one store holder) anything from about 1980 on in gas masks (and possibly other military stuff, I can't remember) is kept for the military. That is, civilians can't buy them.

So my plans to get a gas mask went out the window, I don't have a credit card and thus can't order from overseas.

[razboz]

I have a gas mask i got at a DIY and that i use for spray painting. I got it fairly recently so i wasnt able to use it in the one big action my town saw- ever- the G8 so i dont know how well it works. I know its great for the noxious fumes produced bz spray paints but would it work against things like tear gas?(assuming i manage to protect my eyes and stuff)

[TC]

Originally posted by clownpenisanarchy+Jul 13 2006, 05:59 AM--> (clownpenisanarchy @ Jul 13 2006, 05:59 AM)
Originally posted by Fist of [email protected] 13 2006, 02:51 AM

[email protected] 12 2006, 09:46 PM
They also usually have empty grenades. I like those.
I've seen big barrels of these grenades in military surplus stoes before. What exactly do you do with them?
You can refill 'em, although I've personally not tested any of them out.

Aside from looking cool, they could be pretty useful for even making smoke bombs...I'd imagine.

Plus, they are pretty easy to swipe. :P [/b]
lol you don't have to bother filling them,

at a demo, throw one into a tight cluster of cops and watch them run and duck for cover!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Resist]

Originally posted by TragicClown+Jul 14 2006, 12:23 AM--> (TragicClown @ Jul 14 2006, 12:23 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2006, 05:59 AM

Originally posted by Fist of [email protected] 13 2006, 02:51 AM

[email protected] 12 2006, 09:46 PM
They also usually have empty grenades. I like those.
I've seen big barrels of these grenades in military surplus stoes before. What exactly do you do with them?
You can refill 'em, although I've personally not tested any of them out.

Aside from looking cool, they could be pretty useful for even making smoke bombs...I'd imagine.

Plus, they are pretty easy to swipe. :P
lol you don't have to bother filling them,

at a demo, throw one into a tight cluster of cops and watch them run and duck for cover!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: [/b]
also you won't see cops going up to it and saying "hey john its fake" it would clear certain areas.... for hours you could take so much ground...

[Samuel]

Originally posted by apathy [email protected] 13 2006, 07:29 AM
I have never seen a working military gas mask in Australia. I've seen a crappy old one, but the filters were avaliable.

In Australia at least (according to one store holder) anything from about 1980 on in gas masks (and possibly other military stuff, I can't remember) is kept for the military. That is, civilians can't buy them.

So my plans to get a gas mask went out the window, I don't have a credit card and thus can't order from overseas.
you don't need a credit card. Open up a free checking account (make sure it comes with acess to a debit card) and put however much money you need to cover the mask. Use the debit card to buy the mask, and close that account as fast as you opened it.

[subcal]

If your looking for a cash point of sale transaction then go to:

Brisbane Wholesale Disposals
196 Anzac Avenue:
Redcliffe
QLD 4020
Australia

Or you can try cleaver fire-arms at Margate. If your in brisbane these two stores can keep you going for what ever you may need / want.

I have a s10 respirator and have a set of water dense filters for it and a normal set. I've come accross CS more then one in my time and its not to bad.


TRAINING: If your a really naughty boy then I think you should also start experimenting with tobasco in vapour form to get used to level two irratants.

A home vapouriser is best in a garage or tent for training, or you can simply use tobasco in one of those meal warmers you find in the MRE's the yanks have. If you can't get one of those then you will have to use a hand warmer from a disposal store and a tent (you may want to do this sort of training out of the public eye) and since none of the warmers require electricity your laughing! (even though it aint that sort of gas!)

[subcal]

http://www.aussurvivalist.com/forum/forum_...p?TID=8894&PN=1 (http://www.aussurvivalist.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8894&PN=1)

also try survivalist places, they usually know where to look for end of the world gear.

[Year: 1]

Do you all know how to put a gas mask on?

I was in the military more than 10 years ago before I was a revolutionary leftist.

Putting a gas mask is more than just putting on the mask and tightening the straps though those are the preliminary steps. Then you have to seal the gas mask by taking a very deep breath until you notice the edges of the gas mask are sealed. You'll know it is sealed when you actually do it since you will feel the edges of the gas mask tightening up on your skin. Anyone know what I'm talking about--- that has had some military training and hence can help me illustrate this important concept? Yeah and a new filter every now and again helps too.

[subcal]

Don't forget to squeal "gas gas gas...."

Thankfully not to many people will come accros CS in a closed environment like a gas hut or 11X11 love hut. Most good masks come with instructions, if not you can find them on the web using the american pams (which I don't rate)

[subcal]

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/S10-NBC-Gas-Mask-Re...1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/S10-NBC-Gas-Mask-Respirator-S-10-Avon_W0QQitemZ180009972223QQihZ008QQcategoryZ36074 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

jump on it quick, old mate would be sure to through in some extra filters if you compensate him for time and effort to round them up.

[loveme4whoiam]

When I was in the Air Training Corps (RAF Cadets basically) we had to do this exercise - why I have no idea, but still it gave a sense of what it might be like. Its surprisingly claustraphobic in there, and damn hot. Still, better to be sweaty than blinded by CS spray.

[subcal]

Originally posted by Year: [email protected] 17 2006, 09:38 PM
Do you all kno Anyone know what I'm talking about--- that has had some military training and hence can help me illustrate this important concept?
I've been scavenging through a whole pile of A4 handouts but I can't seem to turn anything up on the subject. I have since started trudging through the online archives to find a pam of some sort.

http://www.gasmasks.net/ is an almost fetish level enthusiastic site

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/...-100/index.html (http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/policy/army/fm/3-100/index.html) is the index page to a pam produced by the U.S Army on Nuclear, Biological and Chemical warfare. It ofcoarse doesn't show you how to do it.....

Lets cut and paste frome somewhere else.....


the following steps outline the procedure for
properly fitting the protective mask:

1. Let the harness straps out to their full ength.

2. Don the mask by inserting your chin in the lower end of the facepiece and pulling the head harness over your head.

3. While holding the head harness pad against the center of the back of your head, pull back on the Top strap tab until the mask rests lightly under your chin.

4. Pull back on the two side strap tabs until the upper sides of the mask rest lightly against your face.

5. Pull back on the bottom strap tabs until the lower sides of the mask rest lightly against your face.

6. Check the mask for an airtight seal by placing your hands over the canisters so that no air can enter and by inhaling normally until the mask collapses. Hold your breath for about 10 seconds to see if the mask remains collapsed. If the mask does not collapse, or does not remain Figure 6-3.-Securing the top and side straps for permanent fit. collapsed, the mask is defective or the straps are not properly adjusted. NOTE: A leakproof fit cannot be expected unless the wearer is smooth shaven. After the foregoing tests have been made and the strap adjustments are correct, adjust the top and side straps for a permanent fit. Permanently fit the mask by threading the loose ends of the
top and side straps through the buckles between the body and the sliding member, as shown in figure 6-3. These straps will then be permanently adjusted to the individual. Only the two bottom
straps will have to be loosened each time the mask is removed or donned. Both the mask and the
carrier should be securely marked with the name of the person on whom the mask has been fitted.

DONNING THE ND MK V MASK. —To train your personnel in the proper procedures for donning and removing the mask, you should conduct periodic drills. During these drills, you should emphasize speed as well as accuracy in donning the mask. The general procedures for donning and removing the mask are as follows:

At the command “GAS,” take the following
actions

1. Stop breathing and remove your headgear.
2. Yank open the carrier flap and remove the
mask from the carrier.
3. Insert your thumbs under the head harness straps and grasp the top of the facepiece.
4. Raise the mask to your outthrust chin and bring the head harness over the back of your head.
5.Center the head harness pad on the back of your head and adjust the bottom straps as necessary for proper fit.
6. Close the outlet valve with the heel of the hand and exhale forcibly to clear the mask of contaminated air.
7. Test the mask for possible leakage by placing your palms over the canisters and inhaling normally until the mask collapses against your face and remains collapsed for approximately 10 seconds.
Resume normal breathing.
8.Replace headgear and close the carrier flap. The protective mask outlet valve sometimes sticks closed because saliva or sweat has dried on it. If this occurs, you may loosen the valve by blowing into the valve or by massaging the valve. The valve may be massaged with the valve cover
partially removed as shown in figure 6-4.

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[Rollo]

Originally posted by apathy [email protected] 13 2006, 10:29 PM
I have never seen a working military gas mask in Australia. I've seen a crappy old one, but the filters were avaliable.

In Australia at least (according to one store holder) anything from about 1980 on in gas masks (and possibly other military stuff, I can't remember) is kept for the military. That is, civilians can't buy them.

So my plans to get a gas mask went out the window, I don't have a credit card and thus can't order from overseas.
On the northern beaches in Sydney there is this camping store that sell soviet replica gasmasks, exactly the same but without all the asbestos!