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renagade
9th July 2006, 03:04
A North Korean missile launched on Wednesday was aimed at an area of the ocean close to Hawaii, a Japanese newspaper reported on Friday.
Experts estimated the Taepodong-2 ballistic missile to have a range of up to 6,000 km, putting Alaska within its reach. Wednesday's launch apparently failed shortly after take-off and the missile landed in the sea between the Korean peninsula and Japan, a few hundred kilometres from the launch pad......dont believe me check out the front page of infowar.com
-Yoshi

RebeldePorLaPAZ
9th July 2006, 03:07
Doesn't mean it was an attack. This North Korean missle stuff was all for show. It was a test missle, not an attack.


--Paz

renagade
9th July 2006, 03:15
true but america might take it as an attack and go to war with korea and they have a large military unlike iraq and the people are on there goverments side of american hatered from the last korean war

ahab
9th July 2006, 03:38
well if america does go to war its militar and its military budget s pretty spread thin so it could be a good time for an uprising :D. Besides hopefully the north koreans would kick america's ass, plus i dont think america's "coallition" is ready for another war just yet.

Kia
9th July 2006, 04:02
America didnt take it as an attack. All US news sources and government offices look at it as missile testings that goes againt the US missile testing moratorium with North Korea. If the missile had actually worked and hit the sea near Hawaii then maybe it would have been viewed as more of a threat...but...the missile didnt go any further then the japan sea before failing.l

Delta
9th July 2006, 09:41
If the U.S. were to attack North Korea right now they'd have to split the remaining military forces up into two parts, one to take care of NK, and the other to handle the citizen uprising.

red team
9th July 2006, 10:55
Towns and cities around the 38th parallel border would be turned into rubble as NK has massed huge amounts of artillery there. Not to mention NK has 2,000,000 troops. NK would not be as easy as Iraq. That is why an attack is unlikely. Besides, they've already planned out who they're going to attack next which is Iran then Syria. NK is far below in their priority. The U.S. is only sabre rattling to put pressure on China. They're not serious about a military attack. At least not yet.

Karl Marx's Camel
9th July 2006, 11:50
Towns and cities around the 38th parallel border would be turned into rubble as NK has massed huge amounts of artillery there.

It's amazing what a modern air force can do these days.



Not to mention NK has 2,000,000 troops.

Numbers do not always matter.

Morale, equipment, combat experience, leadership, civilian support, training, terrain, and mobility are things that are most likely to be even more important.

Numbers will mean little when half will desert, and the rest will be cannon fodder.

kurt
9th July 2006, 12:02
Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2006, 12:51 AM
Morale, equipment, combat experience, leadership, civilian support, training, terrain, and mobility are things that are most likely to be even more important.
Not that I really care, but how high do you think American troop "morale" would be prior to invading North Korea? Seriously.

Karl Marx's Camel
9th July 2006, 13:25
Not that I really care, but how high do you think American troop "morale" would be prior to invading North Korea?

If you do not care, why do you ask?

And is it a rhetoretical, or an open question that you will like to get answers on?

Fidelbrand
9th July 2006, 16:20
thank God, the DP=hermit kingdom=RK fights back.

Fuck don't taint dirt on the name of LEFT.

Get your people well-fed before you fart any missiles, and seriously don't wear Gucci sunnies, they look shit Kimmy.

Kid_A7
9th July 2006, 16:35
Seriously now guys, does anyone truly consider DPRK as anything near to Communist, Marxist, Guevarist or, to be frank, in any way short of a Dictatorship? True, the country is the care-raker of the people, and yes, America is not welcome. Hey, you know what, They even used to belong to the commie part of the world, when the USSR still existed and not only in our hearts.Still, no true Marxist can support these guys. It does not mean he should support El-Presidente Bush, but only take a huorous look at this. You know, "Why the hell are the midget and the stupid Texan fighting and why do I Care more about this than about The Fraud in the Mexican elections?"...

P.S. This is my firsh 'official' post here. What's up?
(-:

ComradeOm
9th July 2006, 16:59
Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2006, 01:36 PM
Seriously now guys, does anyone truly consider DPRK as anything near to Communist, Marxist, Guevarist or, to be frank, in any way short of a Dictatorship?
You are clearly a petit-bourgeois revisionist anarchist!

Kid_A7
9th July 2006, 17:19
Well, I gotta hand in to you, your'e quick on the info-gathering-and-opinion-molding side.

But no, i'm no Anarchist - or a Revisionist. More like a Neo-Marxist. Good ol' Frankfurt school if I ever saw one. Thoguh I suppose living in a private house in one of the most urban enviroments I have got to know and evaluate, well, that kinda makes a Petit-Bourgeois out of me. Not really my weapon of choice, what can I say.

Ferg
9th July 2006, 17:35
I wonder if America goes to war, will Canada follow? Harper and Bush have been getting along really well. If I get drafted, I'll fight. Kim Jung Il bugs me quite a bit and he's a very ruthless leader. Besides, where could I go?

ComradeOm
9th July 2006, 18:02
Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2006, 02:20 PM
Well, I gotta hand in to you, your'e quick on the info-gathering-and-opinion-molding side.
As are all followers of the Dear Leader!

Actually that’s not funny anymore. Someone tell Black Dagger before he embarrasses himself.

I’ve never had any time for the Frankfurt School. They’ve always struck me as a clique of intellectual idealists more concerned with popular culture than objective economic conditions.

Fidelbrand
9th July 2006, 18:25
Canada has ties with socialist countries like Cuba and China. And it is famous for its peace-loving politics, why think Candad will follow Uncle Sam's imperialist attitude?

My opinion: DPRK is truly NOT "near to Communist, Marxist, Guevarist"

To be frank, it is just a hermit kingdom, running its "Juche" dictatorship.

Kim's father Kim IL Sung is a great leader who adopted Marxist thoughts but then invented his own "Juche" political theory, but his heir, is just a "statesman" who can't feed his people well and wear Gucci sunnies.

Fair enough?

Fidelbrand
9th July 2006, 18:28
Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2006, 08:08 AM
Doesn't mean it was an attack. This North Korean missle stuff was all for show. It was a test missle, not an attack.


--Paz
Agree.

And don't get an erection and think revolution will come, personally I won't even want DPRK to lead the movement.

HOW SICK~ http://forum.neow.net/style_emoticons/default/puke.gif

Cheung Mo
9th July 2006, 18:57
China is socialist?

Jean Chretien and Jiang Zemin only got along so well because they both love crony capitalism. :-P

Delta
9th July 2006, 19:47
Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2006, 06:36 AM
If I get drafted, I'll fight.
I'd rather to go jail than go fight a war in which the wealthy will profit from, underfund our military equipment, and I'll have to take orders from some dumbass.

red team
9th July 2006, 22:25
DPRK is truly NOT "near to Communist, Marxist, Guevarist"

True, but the U.S. of A is NOT fighting for freedom and democracy and such. You don't bring freedom and democracy to the people when you napalm an entire city. Not that I had any doubts, but the destruction of an entire city like Fallujah should have erased all illusions in people's minds as to what the fighting is for. It isn't liberation, it's occupation.

Kid_A7
9th July 2006, 23:49
No contradiction. On the contrary, had DPRK been, say, Marxist, USA couldn't have fought to 'free' the people. Seing as it is nothing more than a rival state (not neccesarilly more troubling than China- only less bound to diplomatic rules) it can.

But it won't.

Karl Marx's Camel
9th July 2006, 23:52
If I get drafted, I'll fight.

I hope by "fighting" you mean shooting canadian and U.S. soldiers in the back shortly before deserting.

Janus
10th July 2006, 00:15
The missile exploded 42 seconds after lift-off and was a failure, how was it an attack?

I doubt the US will go for an attack but rather try to isolate North Korea more and get Russia and China to do as well.

renagade
10th July 2006, 01:28
yes it was a failure and i agree it was not an attack even though i put it on the form but it had potential to land close to the Hawaii or alaska read the top form or go to infowars.com...
i get the feeling that janus doesnt like me for some reason cuz you keep contradicting my forms... im not putting this shit up for a debate but to inform my fellow activist.....FUCK!!!

Karl Marx's Camel
10th July 2006, 01:43
Considering the delicate situation, from a diplomatic point of view, I think one can say that the DPRK should have warned other nations, in particular South Korea and Japan, prior to the launch.

From a different view, I guess, you can say that it was DPRK's right to fire those missiles, as it is a sovereign nation.

Although we might speculate on how the DPRK would have reacted if Japan had launched missiles and made them land not that very far from DPRK's shores.

so_this_is_FREEDUMB!!&#3
10th July 2006, 05:37
what is DPRK

aunkst
10th July 2006, 06:31
So you&#39;re telling me if the U.S. got nuked at this very second for no apparent reason just for being u.s. which is highly doubtful you will not take u.s. side..it&#39;s always against United states this united states that on here seriously..it&#39;s pathetic .. <_< ...you are all brilliant guys and know what you&#39;re talking about but still you hate the United states because of the war in Iraq and Bush. That&#39;s it..and it is retarted. you got problems move to u.s. and do something about it cause americans have to deal with it everyday and do you think we like bush? ya probaly the first year but i bet over 85% americans HATE HIM..thank you i&#39;m sorry i&#39;m just pissed and i had to get it out of me..i hear to much of this shit from retards in other countries..ESPECIALLY ones who don&#39;t know what they are talking about..

Janus
10th July 2006, 08:38
what is DPRK
Democratic People&#39;s Republic of Korea i.e. North Korea.


So you&#39;re telling me if the U.S. got nuked at this very second for no apparent reason just for being u.s. which is highly doubtful you will not take u.s. side
We don&#39;t take sides in these types of conflicts between different nations.


you got problems move to u.s. and do something about it
Some of us are in the US and are doing something about it.


ya probaly the first year but i bet over 85% americans HATE HIM
I don&#39;t think those ratings will occur unless something major happens that can be blaimed on his administration (besides Iraq, etc.).

anomaly
10th July 2006, 08:47
Awhile back, an Indian reporter or something said the best way to prevent an American attack on your country is to develop nuclear weapons. I think he was right, and I think some nations got the memo (Iran and the DPRK).

Janus
10th July 2006, 09:21
That would be effective until the US fully develops their missile defense system. :(

Delta
10th July 2006, 09:31
Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2006, 07:32 PM
So you&#39;re telling me if the U.S. got nuked at this very second for no apparent reason just for being u.s. which is highly doubtful you will not take u.s. side..it&#39;s always against United states this united states that on here seriously..it&#39;s pathetic .. <_< ...you are all brilliant guys and know what you&#39;re talking about but still you hate the United states because of the war in Iraq and Bush. That&#39;s it..and it is retarted. you got problems move to u.s. and do something about it cause americans have to deal with it everyday and do you think we like bush? ya probaly the first year but i bet over 85% americans HATE HIM..thank you i&#39;m sorry i&#39;m just pissed and i had to get it out of me..i hear to much of this shit from retards in other countries..ESPECIALLY ones who don&#39;t know what they are talking about..
I am an American. 85% hate him??? Hell, over 30% APPROVE of what he&#39;s doing.

If the US got nuked (and it wouldn&#39;t be for no apparent reason, they would make the reason very clear) I would be extremely enraged at the North Koreans for killing so many innocents (especially if it were me, I live on the coast). But I wouldn&#39;t get my flag and start waving it. I wouldn&#39;t support the President, or the government of the United States. Why? Because if they gave a fuck about me, human rights, freedom, or democracy, they could have prevented it from happening (not to mention all the shit they&#39;ve done themselves).

Black Dagger
10th July 2006, 12:38
Originally posted by Janus
That would be effective until the US fully develops their missile defense system.

I thought that was just a junket for defence contractors?

Is it even possible (in the near future)? I mean yeah they could &#39;develop it&#39;, but i thought it was about as credible as &#39;star wars&#39;.

Shadowlegion
10th July 2006, 12:42
Originally posted by Chajusong+Jul 10 2006, 09:39 AM--> (Chajusong @ Jul 10 2006, 09:39 AM)
Janus
That would be effective until the US fully develops their missile defense system.

I thought that was just a junket for defence contractors?

Is it even possible (in the near future)? I mean yeah they could &#39;develop it&#39;, but i thought it was about as credible as &#39;star wars&#39;. [/b]
they&#39;re still working on the technology, but they&#39;ve slowly been working on it since star wars. it&#39;s probably a 50/50 proposition at best, which isn&#39;t so bad, since a lot of people said it was simply impossible.

renagade
10th July 2006, 16:14
you guy know about the bush adminastration haveing prier nolladge of 9/11

Janus
10th July 2006, 19:50
I thought that was just a junket for defence contractors?

Is it even possible (in the near future)? I mean yeah they could &#39;develop it&#39;, but i thought it was about as credible as &#39;star wars&#39;.
The Bush administration is speeding up its development. In tests, it has only been effective around 50% of the time but it probably will get better.


you guy know about the bush adminastration haveing prier nolladge of 9/11
We don&#39;t really discuss conspiracy theories here but that would&#39;ve been disastrous if another Deepthroat revealed it.

ahab
10th July 2006, 21:30
Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2006, 01:15 PM
you guy know about the bush adminastration haveing prier nolladge of 9/11
*this is not a conspiracy* The Bush administrationplanned 9/11, have you ever heard of the NWO? war is proven to be an economic money maker, if bush could start a war he could make trillions&#33; even though we are 9 trillion dollars in debt so their theory right now is a little shitty, but during ww2 we were in debt, but after we had lots of money. Professors have proven that controlled demolition brought down the towers. heres the article:

www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

there&#39;s a professor at byu (along with a bunch of other people) that think the WTC towers fell because of controlled demolition (by the government) and not because the planes hit them.

if you don&#39;t feel like reading that whole thing, at least read this.

911 Demo: BYU&#39;s
Prof Jones Has Wide
Academic Support
BYU Professor Has Plenty of Company in the Academic Community,
Including 60 Faculty Members from Two Utah Universities
Who Concur a Controlled Demolition Most Likely Brought
Down the WTC and Further Investigation Is Needed


By Greg Szymanski
11-15-5

Professor Steven E. Jones is another in the long line of conservatives in the political and academic world joining the 9/11 truth movement and asking to open up further investigations on the true cause of 9/11.


The BYU physics professor who believes the WTC collapsed from a controlled demolition isn&#39;t alone in the academic community, as a group of more than 60 colleagues from two universities also agreed with Professor Steven E. Jones&#39; conclusions.

Jones told the Arctic Beacon Saturday in a telephone conversation from Provo, Utah, he first presented his explosive conclusions at Brigham Young University (BYU) on September 22, to 60 people from the BYU and Utah Valley State College faculties, including professors of Engineering, Electrical Engineering, Geology, Mathematics and Psychology.

After presently scientific arguments in favor of the controlled demolition theory, Jones said everyone in attendance from all backgrounds, conservative and liberal, were in total agreement further investigation was needed.

"I was quite surprised how my conclusions were received," said Jones, adding he plans to give two continue telling the public how he came to his startling conclusions essentially ripping apart the official government story that jet fuel brought down the towers, including Building 7.

"In fact, after I researched how Building 7 fell, I am certain there existed pre-positioned explosives to bring down the three buildings."

Jones added that the contingent of faculty members at the September seminar were all in agreement that the government needed to "come clean" and release more that 6,900 photographs and close to 7,000 segments of video footage, now being held from independent investigation by the FBI and other agencies.

Since day one, the Bush administration has safely guarded much of the 9/11evidence, including the WTC steel hauled away by FEMA and eye-witness testimony of basement explosions censored by the 9/11 Commission and the state sponsored press, as well as discrediting many other scientists or academics like Jones who have disagreed with the official story.
"We are calling for the release of all the data, including the videos and photos, in order that a cross-disciplinary, preferably international team of scientists and engineers can reach an independent conclusion," said Jones, adding all 60 professors in attendance agreed with this course of action.

"Since I decided to come forward with my findings, I have found the people in the 9/11 community very supportive and helpful. I hope my contribution will one day help get at the truth of what really happened and specifically how the towers collapsed."

Jones&#39; theory on the way the towers collapsed was presented in a 9,000 word formal paper already approved for publication in an upcoming academic journal. The following is a partial explanation of how and why he came to his conclusions that the WTC most likely collapsed due to pre-positioned explosives. He writes:

"In writing this paper, I call for a serious investigation of the hypothesis that WTC 7 and the Twin Towers were brought down, not just by damage and fires, but through the use of pre-positioned explosives.

"I consider the official FEMA, NIST, and 9-11 Commission reports that fires plus damage alone caused complete collapses of all three buildings. And I present evidence for the explosive-demolition hypothesis, which is suggested by the available data, testable and falsifiable, and yet has not been analyzed in any of the reports funded by the US government.

And the reasoning behind his conclusions can be summed up as follows:

* The three buildings collapsed nearly symmetrically, falling down into their footprints, a phenomenon associated with "controlled demolition" - and even then it&#39;s very difficult, he says. "Why would terrorists undertake straight-down collapses of WTC-7 and the Towers when &#39;toppling over&#39; falls would require much less work and would do much more damage in downtown Manhattan?" Jones asks. "And where would they obtain the necessary skills and access to the buildings for a symmetrical implosion anyway? The &#39;symmetry data&#39; emphasized here, along with other data, provide strong evidence for an &#39;inside&#39; job."
* No steel-frame building, before or after the WTC buildings, has ever collapsed due to fire. But explosives can effectively sever steel columns, he says.

* WTC 7, which was not hit by hijacked planes, collapsed in 6.6 seconds, just .6 of a second longer than it would take an object dropped from the roof to hit the ground. "Where is the delay that must be expected due to conservation of momentum, one of the foundational laws of physics?" he asks. "That is, as upper-falling floors strike lower floors - and intact steel support columns - the fall must be significantly impeded by the impacted mass. . . . How do the upper floors fall so quickly, then, and still conserve momentum in the collapsing buildings?" The paradox, he says, "is easily resolved by the explosive demolition hypothesis, whereby explosives quickly removed lower-floor material, including steel support columns, and allow near free-fall-speed collapses." These observations were not analyzed by FEMA, NIST nor the 9/11 Commission, he says.

* With non-explosive-caused collapse there would typically be a piling up of shattering concrete. But most of the material in the towers was converted to flour-like powder while the buildings were falling, he says. "How can we understand this strange behavior, without explosives? Remarkable, amazing - and demanding scrutiny since the U.S. government-funded reports failed to analyze this phenomenon."

* Horizontal puffs of smoke, known as squibs, were observed proceeding up the side the building, a phenomenon common when pre-positioned explosives are used to demolish buildings, he says.

* Steel supports were "partly evaporated," but it would require temperatures near 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit to evaporate steel - and neither office materials nor diesel fuel can generate temperatures that hot. Fires caused by jet fuel from the hijacked planes lasted at most a few minutes, and office material fires would burn out within about 20 minutes in any given location, he says.

* Molten metal found in the debris of the World Trade Center may have been the result of a high-temperature reaction of a commonly used explosive such as thermite, he says. Buildings not felled by explosives "have insufficient directed energy to result in melting of large quantities of metal," Jones says.

* Multiple loud explosions in rapid sequence were reported by numerous observers in and near the towers, and these explosions occurred far below the region where the planes struck, he says.

Janus
10th July 2006, 21:31
The US condemns North Korea when they test missiles but overlooks it when it&#39;s allies test them. :rolleyes:

India&#39;s test launch of new missile fails (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060710/ap_on_re_as/india_missile_test)

Black Dagger
11th July 2006, 11:05
Originally posted by Janus

The Bush administration is speeding up its development. In tests, it has only been effective around 50% of the time but it probably will get better.

Where is that 50% figure from? Because i was under the impression that it&#39;s &#39;effectiveness&#39; was much lower.

Janus
11th July 2006, 17:36
Because i was under the impression that it&#39;s &#39;effectiveness&#39; was much lower.
The army likes to be optimistic. If it was any lower, people would be a bit frightened.

Kia
11th July 2006, 21:42
I didnt know they had got that far with the Defense System.
For anyone interested this is the link to the US Missile Defence Agency:
USA Missile Defence Agency (http://www.mda.mil/mdalink/html/mdalink.html)

Even if North Korea did launch a armed missile at the US, the US has a missile interceptor cruiser located in Japan that probably has the capability to take the missile out before it reached the United States.

Janus
11th July 2006, 21:45
Even if North Korea did launch a armed missile at the US, the US has a missile interceptor cruiser located in Japan that probably has the capability to take the missile out before it reached the United States.
The key word is probably. It isn&#39;t reliable at all even in test situations.