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Karl Marx's Camel
9th July 2006, 01:24
Obrador supporters take to Mexico streets

By MARK STEVENSON, Associated Press Writer
40 minutes ago



MEXICO CITY - Thousands of defiant supporters of leftist presidential candidate Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador took to the streets Saturday in a bid to overturn his narrow election defeat, launching protests that threatened to widen Mexico's regional and class divisions.
Lopez Obrador called for protests across Mexico, saying last Sunday's elections were more fraudulent than those held during 71 years of one-party rule. European Union election observers have said they had found no major irregularities.

Most of Lopez Obrador's supporters come from poor southern states while conservative Felipe Calderon's strength is in Mexico's industrialized north.

Election officials say Calderon beat Lopez Obrador by less than 244,000 votes out of a total of 41 million ballots — or a margin of about 0.6 percent.

"We are never going to recognize this man (Calderon)," said Apolinario Fernandez, 37, a teacher from Lopez Obrador's home state of Tabasco in the southeast. "If he wants, let him govern in the north for the rich, but not in the south."

Fernandez traveled all night to a demonstration in Mexico City's famed Zocalo plaza where Lopez Obrador was to speak early Saturday evening. Several thousand people massed in the square, waving banners with slogans denouncing the alleged fraud.

Calderon, who says the vote was clean, has already declared himself the winner and has received congratulatory phone calls from President Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero.

But Lopez Obrador's supporters remained unconvinced.

"We are ready to do whatever is necessary," said Belasario Cruz, 32, a farmer from Tabasco. "We are tired of the rich having everything and the poor having nothing."

Lopez Obrador, a former Mexico City mayor, has asked protesters to be peaceful and law-abiding, but also said the government would be responsible for any flare-up of anger because officials had rejected his demand for a manual recount.

There were no immediate reports of arrests or violence.

But the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City urged U.S. citizens "to avoid downtown Mexico City and surrounding areas" during the protest, noting that "even demonstrations intended to be peaceful can turn confrontational and escalate into violence."

In a meeting with foreign correspondents, Lopez Obrador said there were more irregularities in the balloting than under the Institutional Revolutionary Party, or PRI, which ruled Mexico until it was ousted by President Vicente Fox in 2000.

Calderon belongs to Fox's conservative National Action Party

"The National Action Party learned from the fraudulent practices of the PRI and it exceeded them," Lopez Obrador said.

Lopez Obrador's millions of extremely devoted followers religiously follow his message of helping the poor and downtrodden.

He has in the past headed protests that turned disruptive or violent.

In 1996, he led farmers and fishermen in sometimes-violent takeovers of state-owned oil wells to demand compensation for damages from an oil spill.

Last year, as Mexico City mayor, he led huge street protests that forced Fox to fire his attorney general and drop a legal case that would have kept Lopez Obrador out of the presidential race.

These days, Lopez Obrador must walk a tightrope. If he appears too radical, he risks hurting his party and its chances in the next presidential elections in 2012. If he appears too moderate, he risks disappointing his core supporters.

"His political stock would increase greatly for 2012" if he finds a way to concede defeat gracefully, political analyst Oscar Aguilar said.

Lopez Obrador says he will challenge the result in electoral tribunals and in the Supreme Court. He claims hundreds of thousands of votes for him remain uncounted, miscounted or voided.

Electoral authorities say the law allows such a recount only where credible evidence of irregularities exist for a specific polling place.

Aguilar predicted that Lopez Obrador would never recognize Calderon's narrow electoral victory.

"He will never concede defeat," Aguilar said. "Once the election results are certified, he will open a permanent campaign of criticizing the government."



Yahoo News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060708/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/mexico_elections;_ylt=Ajw4iL_tQB0ouZ68L_AxLMe3IxIF )

So the demonstrations materialized. It would be interesting to know how many thousand demonstrators.

What do you think?

Will this mean anything?

renagade
9th July 2006, 02:51
i dont know what this means for the mexican goverment but sence it was a peaceful deminstration thatmust mean the mexican people are satisfied with there goverment and might help with immigration witch could be good for the u.s.... i saw on the news that leagal mexican americans had a messeage for mexico to stop illeagally crossing the borter but that probably wont stop them... oh i also heard that mexico was leagalizing sertian drugs.... anybody know anything about this stuff.....
-Yoshi

Cheung Mo
9th July 2006, 18:58
Fox vetoed the drug legalisation law because of American pressure.

The law was supported by the conservative PAN and the social democratic PRD but was opposed by the authoritarian power cult PRI.

Janus
9th July 2006, 23:28
OK, so the demonstrations have materialized. But I don't think that this will change much. Seems like too few people that is unless it grows...

Dean
9th July 2006, 23:43
Hopefully someone will assassinate the new scumbag. sounds like there is enough anger amongst the people.

Delta
10th July 2006, 00:16
Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2006, 12:29 PM
OK, so the demonstrations have materialized. But I don't think that this will change much. Seems like too few people that is unless it grows...
Hopefully it does....

McLeft
10th July 2006, 00:21
Aparently 500,000 people took to the streets

Karl Marx's Camel
10th July 2006, 00:41
McLeft, do you have a link? I heard 100,000 before today..

Anti-Red
10th July 2006, 06:08
Just the thing Mexico needs is another socialist to ruin it even more. Of course, the shame is that the right-winger is no better because he is in Big Baby Bush's pocket.

Delta
10th July 2006, 06:41
Originally posted by Anti-[email protected] 9 2006, 07:09 PM
Just the thing Mexico needs is another socialist to ruin it even more. Of course, the shame is that the right-winger is no better because he is in Big Baby Bush's pocket.
How would a socialist ruin Mexico?

Shadowlegion
10th July 2006, 09:59
Originally posted by Delta+Jul 10 2006, 03:42 AM--> (Delta @ Jul 10 2006, 03:42 AM)
Anti-[email protected] 9 2006, 07:09 PM
Just the thing Mexico needs is another socialist to ruin it even more. Of course, the shame is that the right-winger is no better because he is in Big Baby Bush's pocket.
How would a socialist ruin Mexico? [/b]
I don't believe socialism would ruin mexico, but corrupt socialism would more so. I think that mexico's people have been screwed once again, because they had to pick once again who would screw them over, a corrupt government distributing the wealth badly, or corrupt outside sources paying the corrupt government to distribute wealth badly. Anyone can run under the guise of socialism, and I doubt few if any are actually devoted to providing it like they promise once elected.

I think capitalism/socialism would both benefit mexico from its current state, because it's basically being bought and sold as currency right now as opposed to being a soverign force in the world.

Tekun
10th July 2006, 13:19
PAN or PRD no difference for those on the bottom of Mexican society...to be exact, everyone in the middle class on down

Demonstrations are just a way for the PRD to strengthen their power base and influence
Not to mention, there a way for Lopez Obrador to appear like the liberal quasi-socialist who was robbed by the bourgeoisie
He's trying to appear like the poor man's savior, when he's just like Calderon, corrupt and authoritarian

The possibility of overturning the election decision is virtually nonexistent
I laugh when I see all these PAN, PRI, and PRD supporters wearing their candidates colors and flags, and in a couple of years, you'll see these same morons crying and moaning about the way the Mexican gov is running the country and retaining all the power and wealth in the upper classes

Why aren't these crowds protesting the fact that millions of their countrymen are forced to leave Mexico for the US in order to subsist?
Or why aren't they outraged by the US's arrogance and disdain towards Mexico and its nationals?
Instead of protesting bourgeoisie elections, they should be protesting the miserable conditions under which millions of Mexicans have to live
They love AMLO to death, talking about he's their savior and deliverer when AMLO has and will never care for them
Yet they won&#39;t even lend an ear to what Marcos has to say <_<

Janus
11th July 2006, 20:24
Obrador says that he has actual proof of election fraud.

Fraud video claim in Mexico poll (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5167420.stm)