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rebelworker
7th July 2006, 21:55
Hate groups feared in army
U.S. watchdog calls for stricter enforcement
Iraq recruiting shortfalls blamed for infiltration

Jul. 7, 2006. 12:29 AM
JOHN KIFNER
NEW YORK TIMES

A decade after the Pentagon declared a zero-tolerance policy for racist hate groups, recruiting shortfalls caused by the war in Iraq have allowed "large numbers of neo-Nazis and skinhead extremists" to infiltrate the military, according to a watchdog organization.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks racist and right-wing militia groups, estimated that the numbers could run into the thousands, citing interviews with U.S. Defence Department investigators and reports and postings on racist websites and magazines.

"We've got Aryan Nations graffiti in Baghdad," the group quoted a Defence Department investigator as saying in a report to be posted today on its website, http://www.splcenter.org.
A Defence Department spokeswoman said officials there could not comment on the report because they had not yet seen it.

The centre called on U.S. Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to appoint a task force to study the problem, declare a new zero-tolerance policy and strictly enforce it.

The report said that neo-Nazi groups like the National Alliance, whose founder, William Pierce, wrote The Turner Diaries, the novel that was the inspiration and blueprint for Timothy McVeigh's bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building, sought to enrol followers in the army to get training for a race war. The groups are being abetted, the report says, by pressure on recruiters, particularly for the army, to meet quotas that are more difficult to reach because of the growing unpopularity of the war in Iraq.

The report quotes Scott Barfield, a Defence Department investigator, saying, "Recruiters are knowingly allowing neo-Nazis and white supremacists to join the armed forces, and commanders don't remove them from the military even after we positively identify them as extremists or gang members."'

Barfield said army recruiters struggled last year to meet goals. ``They don't want to make a big deal again about neo-Nazis in the military," he said, "because then parents who are already worried about their kids signing up and dying in Iraq are going to be even more reluctant about their kids enlisting .''

The 1996 crackdown on extremists came after revelations that McVeigh had espoused far-right ideas when he was in the army and recruited two fellow soldiers to aid his bomb plot.

The defence secretary at the time, William Perry, said the rules were meant to leave no room for extremist activities within the military. But the report said Barfield, who is based at Fort Lewis, Wash., had said that he had provided evidence on 320 extremists there in the past year, but that only two had been discharged. He also said there was an online network of neo-Nazis.

Rawthentic
7th July 2006, 22:00
Shit, look how far the Army has to go to get some enlistments, shows how unpopular this war really is.

Solitary Mind
7th July 2006, 22:02
The things this country will do to fight in war....

Brekisonphilous
8th July 2006, 00:20
good, draft those nazi fuckers.

che-Rabbi
8th July 2006, 01:53
I have a hard time believing this one, alot of these types of stories from unnattributedsource.com always make me take a second look. I would not be surprised if this was false, then again I would not be overly surprised if it was true...

WUOrevolt
8th July 2006, 02:06
The New York Times is a fairly credible source though, so I'm guessing its true.

Delta
8th July 2006, 02:26
Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 01:21 PM
good, draft those nazi fuckers.
I know where you're coming from, but for the people where those soldiers are stationed, it's anything but good :(

Janus
8th July 2006, 02:50
It was known for certain that there were a lot of extreme conservatives in the army but this is somewhat troubling.

And as for strict enforcement, that's pretty much unfeasible. The only way they ever caught someone was if they caught him spreading propaganda or if someone reported it. If it was a senior military personnel, then it would have to be the former.

Janus
8th July 2006, 02:52
I know where you're coming from, but for the people where those soldiers are stationed, it's anything but good
Exactly, war generally reveals the worst of people but if it's a fascist then something like My Lai could easily occur.

Xiao Banfa
8th July 2006, 03:49
Rpg target practice!

WUOrevolt
8th July 2006, 04:35
Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2006, 03:53 AM

I know where you're coming from, but for the people where those soldiers are stationed, it's anything but good
Exactly, war generally reveals the worst of people but if it's a fascist then something like My Lai could easily occur.
What exactly was Fallujah? A shiny happy fun time?

Janus
8th July 2006, 08:55
What exactly was Fallujah? A shiny happy fun time?
:blink: What was your point? When did I say that?

TC
8th July 2006, 13:22
Um, i think his point is that far worse massacres than My Lai have already occured, most notabily in Fallujah where Marines shot thousands of civilians before napalming the city.

Tekun
8th July 2006, 13:53
The hipocrissy that is America :rolleyes:
And to think, 60 years ago the grandparents of many of these racist idiots were fighting the biggest spokesman of white supremacy (Hitler)

8th July 2006, 18:57
Im not suprised.

Weither your a Dirty Nazi or a Filthy Communist your just cannon fodder to the Capatalist.

Janus
8th July 2006, 21:51
most notabily in Fallujah where Marines shot thousands of civilians before napalming the city.
What? When did this occur? And when did they napalm the city? That would be pointless in an urban environment.


60 years ago the grandparents of many of these racist idiots were fighting the biggest spokesman of white supremacy (Hitler)
They were originally fighting him with a segregated army.

Jazzratt
8th July 2006, 22:22
Doesn't surprise me one bit. I 'know' a bonehead who's joined the army, he's buggering off to Iraq as soon as his leg gets fixed (froklift accident) and good riddence to him. It's probably worse in the British army because, as far as I can tell from my own experiences, they don't give too much of a shit about personal politics even to the point of letting the scum in. I just get frightened at the idea of these shits coming back battle hardened, they'd certianly have the edge on the Antifa.

Janus
8th July 2006, 23:07
I just get frightened at the idea of these shits coming back battle hardened
Yeah, that's definitely not good. :(
Hopefully, a lot of these fascists will meet their ends in the war or at least come back injured.

WUOrevolt
8th July 2006, 23:41
Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2006, 10:52 PM

most notabily in Fallujah where Marines shot thousands of civilians before napalming the city.
What? When did this occur? And when did they napalm the city? That would be pointless in an urban environment.


60 years ago the grandparents of many of these racist idiots were fighting the biggest spokesman of white supremacy (Hitler)
They were originally fighting him with a segregated army.
Fallujah: The Hidden Massacre (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rff8aduPHg4&search=Fallujah%20The%20Hidden%20)

Tekun
9th July 2006, 00:41
Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2006, 06:52 PM



60 years ago the grandparents of many of these racist idiots were fighting the biggest spokesman of white supremacy (Hitler)
They were originally fighting him with a segregated army.
U are correct sir!
Racism is a ongoing feature of America

renagade
9th July 2006, 02:37
just what we need is nazi having acess to fully atomatic wepons. i just read a article on u.s soldiers smuggleing drugs and wepons... now the facist have acess...
-Yoshi

Phalanx
9th July 2006, 03:06
I wonder, maybe the neo nazis will eventually try to mutiny in the future, as the fascists did in the Spanish Civil War. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if los Estados Unidos went into a civil war in the near future though.

piet11111
9th July 2006, 19:33
that the army is getting more racists seems logical to me as they tend to get exited by the prospect of being send to any country with a rifle and a "license to kill"

especially now that other poeple with different social backgrounds are avoiding the military then the percentage of right wingers joining has to increase.

to me this is not a bad thing as its right wingers vs fundamentalists so its win-win for us.
its just sad that the normal iraqi's are stuck between the two.

Janus
12th July 2006, 09:41
It seems that the army has met its June recruiting goal however this forced to sacrifice quality. Perhaps, this refers to the fascists. :lol:

Army hits June recruit goal (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/iraq_usa_recruiting_dc)

Dreckt
12th July 2006, 18:37
One of these days, one of the fascist troops will decide to create a new "reich" in Iraq... then all hell will break loose...

Year: 1
12th July 2006, 23:37
Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 09:21 PM
good, draft those nazi fuckers.
No, it's not a good idea to draft these types of degenerate scum because now they have military and war experience and when they come back home they'll be ready to raise cain against the friends of the revolution.

red team
13th July 2006, 08:03
because now they have military and war experience and when they come back home they'll be ready to raise cain against the friends of the revolution

No matter how skilled you are you still need two functional legs to run and shoot as foreign insurgents have found out.

RedKnight
13th July 2006, 08:13
Originally posted by che-[email protected] 7 2006, 10:54 PM
I have a hard time believing this one, alot of these types of stories from unnattributedsource.com always make me take a second look. I would not be surprised if this was false, then again I would not be overly surprised if it was true...
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/news/item.j..._area=1&aid=197 (http://www.splcenter.org/intel/news/item.jsp?site_area=1&aid=197) http://www.splcenter.org/intel/news/item.jsp?aid=66 Here are the Southern Poverty Law Center's articles about it. Do you think that that is reputable enough?

Axel1917
14th July 2006, 01:15
This is not suprising at all. The Bourgeoisie may have burned their fingers with Fascism in WWII, and they probably will never hand power to them again, but nonetheless, they are used as agents of reaction. They are thugs that will always be enlisted by the Bourgeoisie. They won't be allowed to take power (we will probably see some kind of Bonapartism in the case of a failed revolution), but they will be allowed to fight alongside the Bourgeoisie as long as its class dictatorship continues to exist.