Wat r ur views on Ireland?

[GCusack]

I was wondering cos RAM raised the subject, in a v odd way but raised it none the less. I, and have since I was born, want a united Ireland and hate Britain because of wat its done (England to be more precise, Wales and Scotland are our Celtic brothers and sisters). I was just wondering how u guys feel? Please reply...

[Deniz Gezmis]

We should be an independent 32 county socialist republic with no affliations what so ever with England.

(Edited by Death at 10:14 pm on May 17, 2003)

[GCusack]

Amen! Thank you that made me smile, someone from my own heart! which county are u from?

[Dirty Commie]

Quote: from Death on 5:12 pm on May 17, 2003
We should be an independent 32 county socialist republic with no affliations what so ever with England.

(Edited by Death at 10:14 pm on May 17, 2003)


Took the words out of my mouth.

26+6=1

(Edited by Dirty Commie at 5:33 pm on May 17, 2003)

[GCusack]

Excellent!! Which counties r u guys from? Im v glad u've said that!! I also believe that Scotland and Wales should also become independent Socialist states, what do u think of that?

[chamo]

GCusack, I am from Belfast and I am all for a united and socialist Ireland.

Also, it must be noted that I am a Protestant, but I am fully accepting to asimmilation into the Republic's Catholic majority.

(Edited by happyguy at 12:01 am on May 18, 2003)

[Sandanista]

Im from Scotland, but with a name like martin coyle its pretty obvious my roots are irish italian.

Can i say that ireland has suffered enough at the hands of british imperialism and the english should let us all go, because its what we the people want!

Ireland and Scotland, the 2 nations i believe a revolution is imminent!!!

tiochfaidh arla

[rAW DEaL bILL]

all i realy know about ireland is im scotch-irish. also like so many other countries it was opressed by england. but as mark from trainspotting said "some people hate the british. i dont hate em. i think theyre wankers. we on the other hand were COLOnised by wankers. we couldnt even find a decent civilazation to be colonised BY! there aint no pride in being scottish. its pathetic!" i dont know what that has to do with anything but trainspotting is cool so i had to put the quote in.

[GCusack]

happyguy if only we were all like you! Ireland needs more people like you whether Catholic or Protestant we need to accept each other more! Thank you for that post!

Man any quote from trainspotting is cool and relevant in its own way!

Thanks all of you!

[chamo]

GCusack, thank you for the compliment.:) It is merely because I am a leftist that a nationalist; most Protestants see only sectarian bigotry and does not allow them to think freely or become nationalist.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from GCusack on 9:11 pm on May 17, 2003
(England to be more precise, Wales and Scotland are our Celtic brothers and sisters)


So being Celtic makes you superiar to being of norman decent?

As it happens i support the majority, the majority of the people of NI , or at least the majority of the voting public cote for Unionist partys, hense the reason why a unionist party is in power. I think that the logic behind this question is therefor relativly straight forward.

If you dont like being in the union vote Sinn Fein.

[Dirty Commie]

Using AK's logic, any one who conquers a part of another country and starts colonizing it with it's own people, driving the natives back, deserve the land they stole.
26+6=1

[GCusack]

No, actually the Normans intergrated with the Irish and in one sense became more Irish than the Irish. Ireland did not become under English rule until the Tudors when Henry VIII invaded. We were seperate from England and were at one with the Catholic Normans. It wasn't until Henry VIII disolved the monostaries did the sectarian problems start!
And when the vote to see who was the majority occurred the election was rigged, the Protestant were allowed more votes than the Catholics.
Armagh, Tyrone and Fermanagh had a large majority of Catholics, it was only in Derry, Down and Antrim that the Protestants had the majority! So you do not support the manority in NI, there is no one majority!

as Dirty Commie says 26 + 6= 1

[Dirty Commie]

Actualy, I liberated the idea from a bumpewr sticker on Boston.

[GCusack]

LOL! well, 26+6=1 as Dirty Commie as Dirty Commie liberated!

[GCusack]

Im replying to take it to 15 replies!! Wohoo my first ever 15 reply thread! (cheating I know) Wohoo!!

26 +6=1

[Saint-Just]

The situation is very difficult. I am patriotic, I want the best for my country, and the best for other's nations. The UK is stronger while NI is part of it. I respect culture, and religion as a part of culture. In Ireland the catholic and protestant population is so mixed that if NI breaks away from the union, inevitable there will be people who are now part of a republic who want to be within the union. As it stays there will be the same problem with people wanting a republic.

The fact is that nations have evloved in this way. What can we do now?

Historically NI belongs to what is now the republic. Nationhood is defined internationally by the last 50 years. Therefore you cannot take NI away from the union. It is simply not the corret thing to do, as it is incorrect now to simply dissolve Israel. Whatever trouble it causes now the dislocation that would follow from reversing the last 50 years is even more undesirable.

Seperating a nation in such a way is also wrong. The unification of Ireland is perfectly acceptable apart from the fact that it prescribes the loss of NI from the UK. If the UK loses NI, it is like carving up a nation, equally as wrong as invading another as happened to Ireland in the first place.

Quite possibly there are solutions that rely on more compromising methods.

(Edited by Chairman Mao at 11:07 pm on May 18, 2003)

[chamo]

I'm not really clued up as to what the English think of Northern Ireland. Do they consider it a colony? An outside country? A complete part of the UK? An embarassment?

Northen Ireland is not all that economically strong. Jobs losses are all over the papers and now the Harland and Wolff port has closed (the port that built the Titanic). Wereas this country is slowing down the Republic is economically prospering, the Celtic Tiger booms.

The history and colonisation of Northen Ireland into part of the United Kingdom (and all of Ireland for that matter until 1922) is illegitimate. The northern part of the country was once the most Catholic part of Ireland before the English Invaders, Tyrone was where the kings of Ireland lived. Then Protestants from Scotland and England were pumped into the Plantations in Ulster, where Native Catholics were uprooted from their homes. Northern Ireland is one of the most beautiful and historical parts of Ireland. It is Irish not British.

[Kapitan Andrey]

Ireland...Last football match between Russia and Ireland ended with our victoty 4:2!!! :biggrin:

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from happyguy on 11:18 pm on May 18, 2003
I'm not really clued up as to what the English think of Northern Ireland. Do they consider it a colony? An outside country? A complete part of the UK? An embarassment?



Most poeple consider NI to be just part of the union like England Scotland and Wales.

People see it has problems. How ever the majority of the British people would probably support NI's removal from the Union if the IRA had not been bombing hundreds of places in England. That kind of makes you hate the group doing the bombing and its cause.

So really the IRA is barring progress to a united Ireland.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Dirty Commie on 8:21 pm on May 18, 2003
Using AK's logic, any one who conquers a part of another country and starts colonizing it with it's own people, driving the natives back, deserve the land they stole.
26+6=1

Be serious Ireland was conquered back in the 14-16 century's. The origional natives who the land was stolen from are dead, there children are dead, the childrens children are dead, and there children are dead. Same with the protestant settlers, by no the land belongs as much to them as to the catholics.

[GCusack]

happyguy- the english consider NI jst the same as they consider Wales and Scotland jst more of a problem, though most english people scoff at us (the Irish) because they seem to think we are all in the IRA and that the 6 r our problem!! However, at the same time some say we no-longer have a claim jst as AK did

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from GCusack on 4:40 pm on May 19, 2003
happyguy- the english consider NI jst the same as they consider Wales and Scotland jst more of a problem, though most english people scoff at us (the Irish) because they seem to think we are all in the IRA and that the 6 r our problem!! However, at the same time some say we no-longer have a claim jst as AK did
No no no.. i said catholics and protestants have as much claim, i did not say you had no claim.

[GCusack]

oh yea sorry, miss read it. I think thats only true in three of the 6

[Kapitan Andrey]

Religion is as dirty thing as politics!!!It divides people!!!

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Kapitan Andrey on 2:36 am on May 22, 2003

Religion is as dirty thing as politics!!!It divides people!!!

Wow what a great post, i see hours of time and reaserch went into that post.

[kingbee]

im welsh but i dunno if id want full indepedence, cos the country would be run by nationalists (plaid cymru). i think its fine to be patriotic before independence, but once youve won it, you cant be otherwise ts destructive. thats why i dont think id be fully for it, because i could us becoming a nationalistic nation.

ireland on the other hand is hard to decipher. i cant see both countries uniting, because of the religious differences, but i feel that britain should step out of it. hey dont need nireland. perhaps if an independent n irish state was set up, then they could discuss uniting without london deciding for them.

[GCusack]

Thats a great post! thank you for ur incites! I can c were ur coming from, the nathonalism is huge in Ireland Scotland and Wales!
I think ur rite about the N.I independent state! If that existed then they could have a reforendom (with both groups getting equal votes this time) and see whether they want to re-unite with London, God forbid, or reunite with the Republic! Thank you for that post!!