Define Facist

[Politically Incorrect]

I'm not here to start an argument, but to debate an opposing ideology as this forum implies. I earnestly hope that I'm not banned for not agreeing with you. I'm more than willing to debate any issue in a civil manner regardless of others' views.

I will start off by asking just what consitutes fascism. The term is open to interpretation depending how extreme one's views are.

Before answering, let me explain my views to help you better understand where I'm coming from. I'm an America conservative republican, though I despise Bush. I despise globalization. I'm very nationalistic in my views. I'm against abortion and fully support the death penalty. I'm am adamantly opposed to the War in Iraq, illegal immigration and Israeli influence on America foreign policy. That should give you a pretty good idea of where I stand politically.

I also see that many of you are opposed to racism. While I don't have a problem with that, it does exist and is not exclusive to any one race. Do any or all of you consider people who have racial views (for whatever reasons) to be hatemongers or racists?

I'd be interested in knowing if my views constitute your idea(s) of fascism.

Thank you for your time. I look forward to your replies.

[Raj Radical]

So your basically Pat Buchanan? :lol:

Just joking around, good to have you here. Opposing Ideologies is my favorite forum.

[Commie Girl]

Before answering, let me explain my views to help you better understand where I'm coming from. I'm an America conservative republican,

EEK....not a good start.


I despise globalization

Moi Aussi.



I'm against abortion and fully support the death penalty

I am for staying out of people's personal lives. Abortion is a private medical decision, thus none of anyones business. I adamently oppose the death penalty.


I'm very nationalistic in my views

Nationalism is very dangerous and opposed by us Internationalists!


I'm am adamantly opposed to the War in Iraq

I am opposed to ANY imperialist war.


illegal immigration

All workers unite! End artificial borders!


opposed to Israeli influence on America foreign policy

good idea.


Do any or all of you consider people who have racial views (for whatever reasons) to be hatemongers or racists?

Yes. :angry:

[Lord Testicles]

Originally posted by Politically Incorrect+Jul 7 2006, 04:07 AM--> (Politically Incorrect @ Jul 7 2006, 04:07 AM) I also see that many of you are opposed to racism. While I don't have a problem with that, it does exist and is not exclusive to any one race. [/b]
There is no such thing as race, it only exisits within a social contex.


Politically Incorrect Posted on Jul 7 [email protected] 04:07 AM
Do any or all of you consider people who have racial views (for whatever reasons) to be hatemongers or racists?

Yes, they are reactionary.


I'd be interested in knowing if my views constitute your idea(s) of fascism.

Fascism is a very right wing, fiercely nationalist, totalitarian ideology with the aims of crushing powerful working class movements.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by Politically [email protected] 7 2006, 03:07 AM
I also see that many of you are opposed to racism. While I don't have a problem with that, it does exist and is not exclusive to any one race. Do any or all of you consider people who have racial views (for whatever reasons) to be hatemongers or racists?
Racialists or racists. All fucking idiots the same.

[black magick hustla]

fascism is not only "nationalist fervor" and "militarization", that shit is as old as fucking pyramids.

What differs fascism from other modes of totalitarian statism is that fascism tries to conciliate "opposing classes" through the mediation of the state. Unions are absorbed and converted into mere organs of the state, were supposedly unhappy workers can discuss peacefully solutions with the bourgeoisie while the state becomes an arbitrer of such discussions.

This is called corporatism, and ultimately renders those unions useless.

[Politically Incorrect]

Originally posted by Politically Incorrect+Jul 7 2006, 04:07 AM--> (Politically Incorrect @ Jul 7 2006, 04:07 AM) I also see that many of you are opposed to racism. While I don't have a problem with that, it does exist and is not exclusive to any one race. [/b]

Originally posted by Skinz+Jul 7 2006, 09:54 AM--> (Skinz @ Jul 7 2006, 09:54 AM)There is no such thing as race, it only exisits within a social contex.[/b]Well, that's open to argument. Race is is a social construct in the sense that human beings recognized the biological differences between the various sub-species of the human species and labeled the various sub-species as "races." Just like with any species of animal, the human animal is comprised of various subspecies. Whatever the case, most people identify themselves and others racially.

Originally posted by Politically Incorrect Posted on Jul 7 2006+ 04:07 AM--> (Politically Incorrect Posted on Jul 7 2006 @ 04:07 AM)Do any or all of you consider people who have racial views (for whatever reasons) to be hatemongers or racists?[/b]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 09:54 AM
Yes, they are reactionary.I agree that some views may be reactionary, but I think that's an oversimplistic analysis of a much more complex scenario. There's a multitude of reasons why people hold racial views.

America is a perfect example. America was founded on the very basis of racism and exploitation, ie: African American slavery and the continued exploitation of Mexican labor.

If we look at the issue of race from an all-inclusive perspective, it's easy to see why racist views are formed and sustained. Though, I will say that racism is greatly exacerbated by our own government.

But, even if we were to remove the government from the equation, I think it's very unrealistic to think racism would disappear. In order for racism to disapear, people of all races would have to adopt the same line of thinking. Logically, I don't see that as happening.

Originally posted by Politically Incorrect
I'd be interested in knowing if my views constitute your idea(s) of fascism.

[email protected] 7 2006, 09:54 AM
Fascism is a very right wing, fiercely nationalist, totalitarian ideology with the aims of crushing powerful working class movements.Well, the same could be said about communism in many (not all) respects. I mean, communism has taken more lives that capitalism or national socialism. It has had it's share of totalitarianism.

I agree with what you're saying with respect to capitalism and the crushing of the working class, but in all reality, national socialism has much in common with communism. Hitler for example worked in the best interests of the working class.

Originally posted by Politically [email protected] 7 2006, 04:07 AM
I also see that many of you are opposed to racism. While I don't have a problem with that, it does exist and is not exclusive to any one race.

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 09:54 AM
There is no such thing as race, it only exisits within a social contex.Well, that's open to argument. Race is is a social construct in the sense that human beings recognized the biological differences between the various sub-species of the human species and labeled the various sub-species as "races." Just like with any species of animal, the human animal is comprised of various subspecies. Whatever the case, most people identify themselves and others racially.

Originally posted by Politically Incorrect Posted on Jul 7 [email protected] 04:07 AM
Do any or all of you consider people who have racial views (for whatever reasons) to be hatemongers or racists?

[email protected] 7 2006, 09:54 AM
Yes, they are reactionary.I agree that some views may be reactionary, but I think that's an oversimplistic analysis of a much more complex scenario. There's a multitude of reasons why people hold racial views.

America is a perfect example. America was founded on the very basis of racism and exploitation, ie: African American slavery and the continued exploitation of Mexican labor.

If we look at the issue of race from an all-inclusive perspective, it's easy to see why racist views are formed and sustained. Though, I will say that racism is greatly exacerbated by our own government.

But, even if we were to remove the government from the equation, I think it's very unrealistic to think racism would disappear. In order for racism to disapear, people of all races would have to adopt the same line of thinking. Logically, I don't see that as happening.

Politically Incorrect
Fascism is a very right wing, fiercely nationalist, totalitarian ideology with the aims of crushing powerful working class movements.Well, the same could be said about communism in many (not all) respects. I mean, communism has taken more lives that capitalism or national socialism. It has had it's share of totalitarianism.

I agree with what you're saying with respect to capitalism and the crushing of the working class, but in all reality, national socialism has much in common with communism. Hitler for example worked in the best interests of the working class.

[Politically Incorrect]

Originally posted by Additives Free
Racialists or racists. All fucking idiots the same.With all due respect, that's a dangerous assumption to make. I've been hanging out on racialist or racist websites for the past several months, analyzing their debates. While many of them do come across as idiots, many of them are well educated.

I see the (white) nationalist movement as gaining ground because they are making an effort to mainstream their views. I see them as growing to the point where simply attacking their views will soon be an ineffective tactic.

If people oppose racism, then they're going to have to be able to articulate their arguments better. The racists or racialists or whatever you choose to call them, have become very proficient at being able to present logical well thought out arguments.

I find both the extreme left and right fascinating. I'm not trying to change your opinion on things, nor am I taking sides. I'm just voicing opinions based on observations and offering some constructive criticism. I'm basically here to weigh the left vs. right arguments out of curiousity more than anything.

It's also worth noting that I've become very frustrated with the American government. I guess that's what prompted me to look at other perspectives.

[bcbm]

I mean, communism has taken more lives that capitalism or national socialism.

This is entirely false.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by Politically [email protected] 8 2006, 08:26 AM
With all due respect, that's a dangerous assumption to make. I've been hanging out on racialist or racist websites for the past several months, analyzing their debates. While many of them do come across as idiots, many of them are well educated.

Some of them are good with words, and can quite accurately recite their own broken logic, if your really dumb you can actually fall for it.


I see the (white) nationalist movement as gaining ground because they are making an effort to mainstream their views. I see them as growing to the point where simply attacking their views will soon be an ineffective tactic.

Attacking them will never be ineffective, or not worth doing, because the only other options are submission, or diplomacy. Neither of which will defeat Racism.


If people oppose racism, then they're going to have to be able to articulate their arguments better. The racists or racialists or whatever you choose to call them, have become very proficient at being able to present logical well thought out arguments.

In all my years of antifascist action, I've never read one good argument validating racism. And believe me, im fairly sure I've heard them all. Now without going to far into putting up their arguments and knocking them down, they are all based on the assumption that race actually exists, and it dosn't. We also, as anti-racists, face a problem, and that is because racism is so bigoted and illogical, logical arguments don't seem to get through to the fash, so regardless of how mainstream or popular racism is, it's pile of motherfucking bullshit, and the best way to combat it is to smash the fuckers heads against the cold hard pavement, break up their meetings, trash their newspapers, stop them from organising and obliterate their movement before it even starts.


I find both the extreme left and right fascinating. I'm not trying to change your opinion on things, nor am I taking sides. I'm just voicing opinions based on observations and offering some constructive criticism. I'm basically here to weigh the left vs. right arguments out of curiousity more than anything.

Well, I haven't really presented an argument for you to weigh up in opposition to theirs, im just splurting "Cable-Street traditionalism" at you, if you want to play devils advocate and prop up some pro-racist bullshit for us to criticise, feel free.

[Lord Testicles]

Originally posted by Politically Incorrect+Jul 8 2006, 08:58 AM--> (Politically Incorrect @ Jul 8 2006, 08:58 AM)
Originally posted by Politically [email protected] 7 2006, 04:07 AM
I also see that many of you are opposed to racism. While I don't have a problem with that, it does exist and is not exclusive to any one race.

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 09:54 AM
There is no such thing as race, it only exisits within a social contex.Well, that's open to argument. Race is is a social construct in the sense that human beings recognized the biological differences between the various sub-species of the human species and labeled the various sub-species as "races." Just like with any species of animal, the human animal is comprised of various subspecies. Whatever the case, most people identify themselves and others racially. [/b]
race has no scientific merit outside of sociological classification. There are no significant genetic variations within the human species to justify the division of “ races.” (http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/themes/sciences/LifeScience/HumanRaces/BiologyRace/BiologyRace.htm)


Originally posted by Politically Incorrect Posted on Jul 8 [email protected] 08:58 AM
I think it's very unrealistic to think racism would disappear

How so? I'm fairly sure they would shut up when people are hunting them in the street and stringing them up from lamp posts. :)



Originally posted by Politically Incorrect Posted on Jul 8 [email protected] 08:58 AM
In order for racism to disapear, people of all races would have to adopt the same line of thinking

People would just have to disspell the myth of a biological race.



Originally posted by Politically Incorrect Posted on Jul 8 [email protected] 08:58 AM
Well, the same could be said about communism in many (not all) respects. I mean, communism has taken more lives that capitalism or national socialism. It has had it's share of totalitarianism.

That is all entirely false.


Politically Incorrect Posted on Jul 8 [email protected] 08:58 AM
I agree with what you're saying with respect to capitalism and the crushing of the working class, but in all reality, national socialism has much in common with communism. Hitler for example worked in the best interests of the working class.

:lol: to quote libcom.


Italian fascism’s counterpart in Germany – Nazism – like most fascists today used racism to further its aims. Again to combat a powerful working class movement the Nazis attempted to direct public anger at the problems caused by capitalism (mass unemployment, poverty, etc.) onto a racial group – the Jews. To undercut the widespread support for the communists, socialists and anarchists the Nazis used anti-capitalist rhetoric against Jews, portraying them as money-grubbing capitalists, when in fact the vast majority of Jews were working class. Like many fascist groups today, they claimed they would initiate a left-wing economic programme with good welfare and high wages – the “socialism” in national socialism. The Nazi leadership had no intention of putting this propoganda into practice though. As soon as the Nazi Party came into power it violently destroyed all progressive working class organisations. The left-wing of the Party - always unacceptable to German business leaders - was then disposed of in the Night of the Long Knives, having served its purpose of aiding in the destruction of the unions and other working class groups. The first to be sent to the concentration camps were not the Jews who they had blamed for all Germany’s problems, but communists and trade unionists.

[Politically Incorrect]

Originally posted by Skinz+Jul 7 2006, 09:54 AM--> (Skinz @ Jul 7 2006, 09:54 AM)race has no scientific merit outside of sociological classification. There are no significant genetic variations within the human species to justify the division of “ races.” (http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/themes/sciences/LifeScience/HumanRaces/BiologyRace/BiologyRace.htm) [/b]Well, there are scientists on both the left and the right. As long as there's a scientific division as to whether or not race exists, there's going to be controversey.

Be that as it may, my personal view is that race does exist in the form of the various sub-species that comprise the human species.

There are distinctive traits unique to the various subspecies or races just as there is with any sub-species of a specific species of animal.

Originally posted by Politically Incorrect Posted on Jul 8 [email protected] 08:58 AM
I think it's very unrealistic to think racism would disappear

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 09:54 AM
How so? I'm fairly sure they would shut up when people are hunting them in the street and stringing them up from lamp posts. :) Well, this sounds like a fascist tactic to me. You can't be opposed to fascism and then advocate fascist tactics. I point this out because it's detrimental to your cause politically speaking.

I admire your honesty, but politicts and honesty never go together when you're trying to win the hearts and minds of the masses. George W. Bush is a prime example. :lol:

Originally posted by Politically Incorrect Posted on Jul 8 [email protected] 08:58 AM
In order for racism to disapear, people of all races would have to adopt the same line of thinking

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 09:54 AM
People would just have to disspell the myth of a biological race. Like I said above, even the scientific community is divided on the issue of race. For the sake of argument, let's assume that everyone adopted the leftist point of view in the scientific community. Do you honestly think that blacks wouldn't think of themselves as blacks, mongoloids (Asians) wouldn't identify themselves as mongoloids and so on?

Originally posted by Politically Incorrect Posted on Jul 8 [email protected] 08:58 AM
Well, the same could be said about communism in many (not all) respects. I mean, communism has taken more lives that capitalism or national socialism. It has had it's share of totalitarianism.

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 09:54 AM
That is all entirely false. No, not really. Stalin, Castro and Mao murdered countless tens-of-millions of people. You may not identify with these leaders, but their murderous deeds are inherent to communism.

Below is a compendium of what I'm trying to say. Please understand that I include Jewish with the term communism because communism is essentially a Jewish political ideology, ie:, Karl Marx.

Jewish/ Communist Genocide Never Addressed by History Books

1. WWII Katyn massacre in Poland (which eliminated 25,000 members of Poland's military and intellectual elite)

2. The post-WWII Polish Office of State Security massacres of German civilians (60-80,000 deaths, described in Sack (1993)

3. The massacre of the Christian Russian kulaks of 1924-30 (15 million killed)

5. The Ukranian holocaust of 1930-33 (7 million starved to death)

http://www.infoukes.com/history/famine/

5. The holocaust of Russian political dissidents of 1919-49 (12 million dead)

6. The Spanish Civil War massacre of Spanish Christians, the various massacres of Palestinians (Deir Yassin, Qana and others), and so on (Fields (nd)

There is never a reference to Jewish Bolshevism's 50 million, or the larger communist movement's 100 million.

Originally posted by Politically Incorrect Posted on Jul 8 [email protected] 08:58 AM
I agree with what you're saying with respect to capitalism and the crushing of the working class, but in all reality, national socialism has much in common with communism. Hitler for example worked in the best interests of the working class.


[email protected] 7 2006, 09:54 AM
:lol: to quote libcom.

Italian fascism’s counterpart in Germany – Nazism – like most fascists today used racism to further its aims. Again to combat a powerful working class movement the Nazis attempted to direct public anger at the problems caused by capitalism (mass unemployment, poverty, etc.) onto a racial group – the Jews. To undercut the widespread support for the communists, socialists and anarchists the Nazis used anti-capitalist rhetoric against Jews, portraying them as money-grubbing capitalists, when in fact the vast majority of Jews were working class. Like many fascist groups today, they claimed they would initiate a left-wing economic programme with good welfare and high wages – the “socialism” in national socialism. The Nazi leadership had no intention of putting this propoganda into practice though. As soon as the Nazi Party came into power it violently destroyed all progressive working class organisations. The left-wing of the Party - always unacceptable to German business leaders - was then disposed of in the Night of the Long Knives, having served its purpose of aiding in the destruction of the unions and other working class groups. The first to be sent to the concentration camps were not the Jews who they had blamed for all Germany’s problems, but communists and trade unionists.Interesting. I will most certainly look into this. Again, I am not a Hitler supporter or a nazi sympathizer. I'm here to weigh the arguments and learn.

[Politically Incorrect]

Originally posted by Politically Incorrect+Jul 8 2006, 08:26 AM--> (Politically Incorrect @ Jul 8 2006, 08:26 AM) With all due respect, that's a dangerous assumption to make. I've been hanging out on racialist or racist websites for the past several months, analyzing their debates. While many of them do come across as idiots, many of them are well educated.
[/b]

Originally posted by Additives Free+--> (Additives Free)Some of them are good with words, and can quite accurately recite their own broken logic, if your really dumb you can actually fall for it.[/b] Okay, fair enough. Just remember logic is relevant to ones' ideology.

I see the (white) nationalist movement as gaining ground because they are making an effort to mainstream their views. I see them as growing to the point where simply attacking their views will soon be an ineffective tactic.


Originally posted by Additives Free
Attacking them will never be ineffective, or not worth doing, because the only other options are submission, or diplomacy. Neither of which will defeat Racism.
The problem I have with the Antifa and other like-minded groups is, they epitomize everything they claim to be against. One could easily argue that the Antifa are fascists in their own right.

I think education is the key. Violence will never be supported by the masses. I think the racialists have come to realize that and have adopted a much more civil approach in how they choose to disseminate their views.

If people oppose racism, then they're going to have to be able to articulate their arguments better. The racists or racialists or whatever you choose to call them, have become very proficient at being able to present logical well thought out arguments.

Originally posted by Additives Free
In all my years of antifascist action, I've never read one good argument validating racism. And believe me, im fairly sure I've heard them all. Now without going to far into putting up their arguments and knocking them down, they are all based on the assumption that race actually exists, and it dosn't. Well that depends on who you talk to. As I said to Skinz, the scientific community is divided on the issue of race. Basically divided from left wing and right wing perspectives. Yes, even scientists can use their findings in a biased manner if it suits their particular political beliefs.

Additives [email protected]
We also, as anti-racists, face a problem, and that is because racism is so bigoted and illogical, logical arguments don't seem to get through to the fash, so regardless of how mainstream or popular racism is, it's pile of motherfucking bullshit, and the best way to combat it is to smash the fuckers heads against the cold hard pavement, break up their meetings, trash their newspapers, stop them from organising and obliterate their movement before it even starts. Well, here you're advocating fascist tactics. Like I said above, the masses will never subscribe to violence on either side of the politcal spectrum.

Whenever some neo nazi beats down a minority, it hurts their cause tremendously. Conversely speaking, whenever the Antifa attacks free speech and engages in violence against those they oppose, it damages their cause tremendously. I find the extremist element to be the enemy of both the extreme right and left. Essentially, you're battling each other rather than for the hearts and minds of the masses.

In the grand scheme of things, neither the extreme left , nor the extreme right has any political clout. The latter is where the focus should be.

I find both the extreme left and right fascinating. I'm not trying to change your opinion on things, nor am I taking sides. I'm just voicing opinions based on observations and offering some constructive criticism. I'm basically here to weigh the left vs. right arguments out of curiousity more than anything.

Additives Free
Well, I haven't really presented an argument for you to weigh up in opposition to theirs, im just splurting "Cable-Street traditionalism" at you, if you want to play devils advocate and prop up some pro-racist bullshit for us to criticise, feel free. I'm not playing devil's advocate or making propping up any pro-racist views. I came here to debate the issues objectively. It's inaccurate to imply that I'm trying to prop up pro-racist rhetoric for simply voicing opinions based on observations.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by Politically [email protected] 8 2006, 08:03 PM
Be that as it may, my personal view is that race does exist in the form of the various sub-species that comprise the human species.
Your wrong. I've not seen any actual biological science that proves race exists.


There are distinctive traits unique to the various subspecies or races just as there is with any sub-species of a specific species of animal.

Like what? I can only think of two things you could be referring to, appreacnce, and characterises.

Appearance, as you well know comes from your parents. People inherit different skin colour, in the same way they inherit eye colour, hair colour, or diseases ect. If your going to say that someone or a group of people are all a different race because they are all black, then you might as well say that people with ginger hair are a race, or people with green eyes. I have simplified this a little, but I hope you understand the point im making here.

Characterises are different for everyone regardless of eye colour, skin colour, hair colour, ect, to put it rather blatantly; we are all individuals. People react to their environment, or however their environment treats them. If 'Races' act slightly differently, it's due to social traditions caused by the fact that their environment treats them as a homogeneous entity, or in a certain way.


Well, this sounds like a fascist tactic to me. You can't be opposed to fascism and then advocate fascist tactics. I point this out because it's detrimental to your cause politically speaking.

The obliteration of fascism through violent struggle is necessary. We're not a bunch of pacifist hippies.


I admire your honesty, but politicts and honesty never go together when you're trying to win the hearts and minds of the masses. George W. Bush is a prime example. :lol:

Im sorry, but fascism is simply not tolerable. I don't understand this liberal bullshit about Fascism being just as valid as any other idea, it's not. A quick look thorough the history books might show why.


Like I said above, even the scientific community is divided on the issue of race. For the sake of argument, let's assume that everyone adopted the leftist point of view in the scientific community. Do you honestly think that blacks wouldn't think of themselves as blacks, mongoloids (Asians) wouldn't identify themselves as mongoloids and so on?

"with the calm, tolerant words of the realist state that in any case nothing else is possible, reality is what it is, it is necessary' to make sacrifices; there, these people are swindling you. They are swindling you because you can do something else, because any one of us is capable of rising up in the name of our wounded dignity before such a swindle. Because any one of us can realise we have been swindled, because we have finally realised what is being done to our detriment. And in rising up against it all we can change that very reality"


No, not really. Stalin, Castro and Mao murdered countless tens-of-millions of people. You may not identify with these leaders, but their murderous deeds are inherent to communism.

They weren't communists. They were marxist-Leninist-whatevers.


Below is a compendium of what I'm trying to say. Please understand that I include Jewish with the term communism because communism is essentially a Jewish political ideology, ie:, Karl Marx.

There's nothing Jewish about communism. It's an atheist ideology, it, as far as the theory is concerned, has nothing to do with any religion, and so any claims of any sort of Jewish perscriptivism is blown out of the water. What you may be interested to learn is that many branches of communism don't base themselves of Marx's writings, some branches take heavy influence from Bakunin, who was infact an anti-semite, although we reject these racist sentiments, and accept his criticisms of authoritarianism and religion and other areas.

But of course, you and I both know you wern't refering to Judaism were you? This idea that there are "jewish ideas" was made up by the far right a long time ago. And such a conclusion was inevitable based on their flawed logic. As they anylise society on race, rather than class, and the jews being their opposition rather than the capitalists, any idology attempting to unify the people and abolish the concept of race and nation must be "jewish" because it opposes whtie supremacy.

It's really quite silly, from my perspective, because I am quite conscious of the fact that I have absolutely no jewish influence. Jews often annoy the fuck out of me, as do christians, scientologists and any other religious fundementalists.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by Politically [email protected] 8 2006, 08:39 PM
I think education is the key. Violence will never be supported by the masses.
Never?

Battle of Cable Street (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street)

Battle of notting hill (http://www.libcom.org/history/articles/beating-mosley-notting-hill-1958/)

battle of lewisham (http://www.libcom.org/history/articles/battle-of-lewisham-1977/)

The French Resistance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Resistance)

Soweto riots (http://www.libcom.org/history/articles/soweto-riots-1976/index.php)

The Edelweiss Pirates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edelweiss_Pirates)

Battle of St Pauli (http://www.anti-racist-action.org/pn/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=8&page=1)

Red Lion Square, Waterloo ect ect

[TalaTsume]

Racism is the love for one's own race, ancient culture, and people. In that sense, I am racist. But, in the sense that "racists" look down their noses at people from different backgrounds simply because they are different, I am not. There's nothing wrong with being proud of your blood and heritage, but there is a great problem with exterminating every other one.

Fascism puts the national majority on top and makes all others second class citizens, or even removes their citizenship. Its like bourgeois on steroids. Bad.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2006, 09:22 PM
Racism is the love for one's own race, ancient culture, and people. In that sense, I am racist. But, in the sense that "racists" look down their noses at people from different backgrounds simply because they are different, I am not. There's nothing wrong with being proud of your blood and heritage, but there is a great problem with exterminating every other one.

Fascism puts the national majority on top and makes all others second class citizens, or even removes their citizenship. Its like bourgeois on steroids. Bad.
They're both shit, but the genocide is worce. Now fuck off.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by lil' Adolf
Well, that's open to argument. Race is is a social construct in the sense that human beings recognized the biological differences between the various sub-species of the human species and labeled the various sub-species as "races." Just like with any species of animal, the human animal is comprised of various subspecies. Whatever the case, most people identify themselves and others racially.

For someone who likes to babble on about "education" it is quite amusing that a blunder such as this would be made.

There is no such thing as a human "sub-species". Any educated person knows that.

In the scientific world (one that you personally know nothing of) race is used to catergorise different species of non sentient animals.

And that's it.

[bcbm]

No, not really. Stalin, Castro and Mao murdered countless tens-of-millions of people. You may not identify with these leaders, but their murderous deeds are inherent to communism.

I didn't deny that so-called "communist" leaders killed, or led to, the deaths of a whole shit ton of people but to say that they killed more than capitalism and fascism is absolutely false.


communism is essentially a Jewish political ideology, ie:, Karl Marx.

Jewish Bolshevism's

Uh, ideologies don't have ethnicity. :rolleyes: You should really try and hide your racism better.


The Spanish Civil War massacre of Spanish Christians

Christians weren't massacred, just clergy who supported the fascists.


the various massacres of Palestinians (Deir Yassin, Qana and others), and so on (Fields (nd)

Last I checked, Israel isn't a "Communist" country.

[EwokUtopia]

If race exists as different species of Humans, then shouldnt mulatto's be infertile? this runs quite contrary to the neo-nazi arguement that people of mixed race are the fastest breeding. You cant have it both ways, either there is no such thing as race, or people of mixed race are all infertile.

So that knocks out the whole 'race as subspecies' arguement.

What nazi's and conservatives fail to realize is that culture is in a constant state of change because old generations always give way to new ones, and new people bring new culture. Humanity is 2 million years old, or thereabouts, and the language we are speaking as we know it is about half a millenia. Nobody will speak like we do in the centuries to come.

And by the way, I believe that America will eventually become a place where the people (if there still are people, lets hope) are all one colour. Why? throw all colours of paint in the same bucket and eventually you will get just one, but humanity will be far more beautiful than paint.

[Anti-Red]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2006, 05:34 PM
And by the way, I believe that America will eventually become a place where the people (if there still are people, lets hope) are all one colour. Why? throw all colours of paint in the same bucket and eventually you will get just one, but humanity will be far more beautiful than paint.
As much as I disagree with most Marxists, I personally think this is probably true. Why should I really care though, because it will not happen for centuries. Besides, does race even matter? No. As much as I can't stand racists, I can't stand the people who are always claiming to be oppressed when they really are not.