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Seeker
4th July 2006, 22:19
About a year ago I found myself working for a capitalist corporation. Every day I would go to the office and my labor would actively harm the cause that, as an anarchist, I claimed to support.

Yet I would post on this message board (among others) and feel like maybe I was making at least a little bit of a helpful difference. Perhaps I was helping to clarify my or other people's conception the philosophies discussed. Perhaps. Eventually it was no longer good enough.

Alienation.

I eventually reached a state where I knew what the term meant. I knew it beyond textbook definitions; I was awash in it. Every morning I would feel as if waking up was an act of treason. The commute to work was an exercise in masochism. Once I arrived, I would hear about the latest atrocities that I was supporting with my labor. The false-flag attacks on New York's twin towers and London's subway, perpetual war, globalized usury and stratification, ect.

I was ready to ACT, but I didn't know how. Taking a long weekend to attend a protest seemed like it would not come close to going far enough. An examination of how I spent my time would show that my lifestyle was still contributing to the desecration of the planet and its people. Becoming a weekend warrior could not atone for the damage I was causing with my (relatively) massive consumption of resources and labor contribution to the cause of global capitalism.

I thought to myself, "If only I could use my force of will to consume less, then I would be making a difference." So that is what I tried first. It felt like failure. Life in suburbia is requires consumption by design, and that consumption greases the gears of the machine I wanted to wreck. Without a local food source, an army of trucks rolls into town every morning to provide for worker bees such as myself who drive to the "super"markets or fast food franchises. Single-family homes ensure that water and electricity will be used in a most wasteful manner (personal air conditioners, water heaters, and refrigerators, clothing dryers, and so on). I was still using pounds of products to ensure that my physical appearance was suitably conformist so that I could keep my job as a revolutionary turncoat and continue to have access to food and shelter.

The solution was not to be found in suburbia. Only by living the values that I claimed to believe in could I find succor. Cooperation. Mutual aid. Equality. Solidarity. As a resident of North America, I didn't think I could find a way to immerse myself in the struggle 24-7-365 and was filled with hopelessness and despair for a long time.

But there is a way.

Even in the belly of the beast, inside the USA, there are pockets of people living in cooperation rather than competition. As a nation, we are very much behind the global curve. From what information I can gather through internet and people that have the means to travel, the transition to communism is already well underway. For example, one of our guests who had lived in Puerto Rico for several years tells me that almost everyone there lives and works in what we would call a co-op or intentional community. An article on RevLeft that I read recently said the same is true for parts of Italy. I recently spoke with a traveler who said that she was able to visit and learn from the many cooperative communities spread across Western Europe.

You don't need to support corporate America to get your daily bread. By living and working together, we can take care of our families without the astronomical rate of suburban consumption, and without laboring to make the bosses richer. You don't need any capital to begin to make a difference. And if you are reading this, you already have all the tools you need to start today. Right now.

Quit spending your life supporting a corrupt capitalist system and government! Quit working everyday to make some other person rich!
Quit your job and move in with us!

http://www.acorncommunity.org/

http://thefec.org/

http://www.ic.org/

ÑóẊîöʼn
4th July 2006, 22:54
Moving into a commune doesn't help bring down the capitalist system.

bolshevik butcher
5th July 2006, 01:09
No, far from it. You cannot aggiatate among the working class in a commune, its a classic utopian/anarchist approach that is an irrelveancy to most people and certianly will not spread a revolutionary message or increase class consciousness.

Rawthentic
5th July 2006, 17:46
Communes were very popluar amongst leftists in the 60s, but yes, were very utopian, and did nothing to hurt the capitalist system.. It still operated under it.

Si Pinto
5th July 2006, 18:40
Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2006, 02:47 PM
Communes were very popluar amongst leftists in the 60s, but yes, were very utopian, and did nothing to hurt the capitalist system.. It still operated under it.
A friend of mine was part of a commune for a while, he seemed to think it was removing them from the society they hated, but of course it isn't, they are just fooling themselves there, they still had to work (or collect benefits), pay tax's etc.

It's a little 'cocoon' of social conscience, nothing more.

No more communist than my bedroom with my friends in it.

pcb
5th July 2006, 22:36
Clenched fist says it all

bunk
5th July 2006, 22:40
Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 4 2006, 10:10 PM
No, far from it. You cannot aggiatate among the working class in a commune,
Well, you actually can that's not entirely true.

Seeker
5th July 2006, 22:47
Moving into a commune doesn't help bring down the capitalist system.

That system requires workers. Remove them (you) and it will collapse. Do you also think that strikes are ineffective?



You cannot agitate among the working class in a commune, its a classic utopian/anarchist approach that is an irrelevancy to most people and certainly will not spread a revolutionary message or increase class consciousness.

If you think you are doing enough from where you are, please stay there.

Do you think that everyone who will read this feels the same? I doubt it. I'm guessing that this post (and others like it) is as good an agitator as some of the whatever-it-is that you are doing.

By encouraging people to visit us, we are spreading a revolutionary message. The most important part of that message, IMO, is that people can see first hand how a worker-owned organization is run. Visit the community that I live in and you'll see right there in front of you that not only does anarchy work, but that it works better than tiered systems.



Communes were very popular amongst leftists in the 60s, but yes, were very utopian, and did nothing to hurt the capitalist system.. It still operated under it.

If you live in the USA, how can you operate under anything other than Capitalism?

The thing is that our businesses, our means of production, are already under worker control. Extrapolate this far enough and the existing means of production, which are currently outside of our control, become irrelevant. When the people no longer need Nike to make their shoes because a worker owned co-op does it better, then that corporation will be history and one battle of the revolution will have been won.

fwft
6th July 2006, 00:01
First off, unless your 17 and stuck underneath your parents, if posting on REVLEFT is all the political 'work' (I wouldn't call what I'm doing now work), then you rightly felt as though you weren't doing enough.

Second, every one is right. Living in a co op does nothing to end capitalism but perhaps make it more streamlined. Your argument boils down to Chomskyism. > "If only enough people would feel the same way/do as i do, then we could get this ball rolling in the right direction"

bolshevik butcher
6th July 2006, 00:22
Originally posted by Josh+Jul 5 2006, 07:41 PM--> (Josh @ Jul 5 2006, 07:41 PM)
Clenched [email protected] 4 2006, 10:10 PM
No, far from it. You cannot aggiatate among the working class in a commune,
Well, you actually can that's not entirely true. [/b]
Explain this please. Surley you can at least accept that you can do a lot mroe agigtating in 'main stream society'?

fwft
6th July 2006, 00:27
Clenched fist is right, you become dillussioned and lose tough with the pulse of mainstream society, often making your viewpoint irrelevant to most people.

Seeker, if you really wanted to contribute to change, steal a bunch of finacial data from the place you work so that someone else can pour over it and perhaps make an advancement of modern day marxist economic theory.

Lord Testicles
6th July 2006, 00:30
Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2006, 10:02 PM
"If only enough people would feel the same way/do as i do, then we could get this ball rolling in the right direction"
Whats wrong with that quote?

or do you want to force people into communism?

Anyway I also think that moving into a commune will achieve nothing.

Seeker try lisening to this (http://www.audioanarchy.org/downol/18-Hypocracy.mp3)

KC
6th July 2006, 01:16
No more communist than my bedroom with my friends in it.


:lol:


That system requires workers. Remove them (you) and it will collapse. Do you also think that strikes are ineffective?

And what happens when the government breaks up your little commune? What then? Are you going to revolt? I'm sure that'll be really effective. :rolleyes:

Nothing Human Is Alien
6th July 2006, 01:43
"Communism on the margin of society is not communism at all." - Mansoor Hekmat

fwft
6th July 2006, 06:26
What is wrong with that quote is that it is devoid of dialetical materialism and doesn't seek to answer why don't people feel the same way as you do.

Sense-A
7th July 2006, 02:46
hey by living in this community these people are becoming self sufficient, saying that they are not buying into the glamour and glitz of hollywood. I respect them. They may not ever become rich or rise to the top or empower themselves to overthrow the strongest imperialistic power in the world, but they are like a small cancer inside of this power. If these people can live inside a small community and live comfortably without the everyday hassles of capitalism then I respect that.

What are YOU going to do if you cannot go to the grocery store for food? Or to the local corporate retailer for clothes?

Every revolutionist should practice self sufficiency so that they do not need to rely on the powers of government to survive.

Jazzratt
7th July 2006, 02:49
This kind of action is, at best, symbolic. Most people who go into these kinds of things avoid coroporations anyway and are thus unlikley to make huge impacts on the profit margins of the capitalists. A revolution is best conducted by the proletariat and they simply cannot afford this kind of self indulgent crap. We have to work hard each day and buy cheap goods I shure as fuck couldn't afford to bugger off to some petit-bourgerouise commune. We need people here to stir up the fellow proletariat.

This whole thing stinks of Libertarian Survivavlism.

bcbm
7th July 2006, 09:26
they simply cannot afford this kind of self indulgent crap

Most cooperative and communal living spaces are much cheaper than slum housing and are much better environments. Many also have large gardens and buy in bulk, making better food more freely available.

Obviously we need people around to "stir up and organize" (though I suspect our efforts in those fields won't be what leads to widespread discontent and revolt), but I don't think we should be bashing people for quitting jobs they hate and doing something they like with their life. We only live once, and the idea of suffering at some job for a greater reward later (proletarian revolution) reeks of Protestant work ethic.