Working At A Restaurant...

[R_P_A_S]

In a Communist Society how could one work at a restaurant?
For example my Father has been a cook for almost 20 years. and he really loves it. He doesn't own his own restaurant. but has worked for the same sea food restaurant in Florida for nearly 18 years.

Would a bunch of people who love cooking and waiting tables get together and open and run a restaurant? how would they "get paid" or make a profit? How would the patrons pay for their meals and tip?


thanks.

[Redmau5]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 04:47 PM
In a Communist Society how could one work at a restaurant?
For example my Father has been a cook for almost 20 years. and he really loves it. He doesn't own his own restaurant. but has worked for the same sea food restaurant in Florida for nearly 18 years.

Would a bunch of people who love cooking and waiting tables get together and open and run a restaurant? how would they "get paid" or make a profit? How would the patrons pay for their meals and tip?


thanks.
Why do you always look at communism in a capitalist mindset? There would be no profit, they would have their needs met according to their needs and ability. If they wanted to cook and wait, then they would be entitled to do so.

[Raj Radical]

Food and Water would no longer be a commodities in communism.

Your father could certainly still cooking and preparing food for people if he wanted, but there would be no owner profiting off of him doing so.

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by Raj [email protected] 5 2006, 12:40 AM
Food and Water would no longer be a commodities in communism.

Your father could certainly still cooking and preparing food for people if he wanted, but there would be no owner profiting off of him doing so.
ok so call me retarded. but i just dont fucking get it.
how are we supposed to go out on dates and go out to have a nice dinner at a nice restaurant or just with the family go out to a restaurant and have a good dinner. how?

how would we pay?
what would keep the restaurant running?
who will work the kitchen, bar, bus the tables and wait on us?

im sorry but just helpe me here. break it down.

yeah my father can cook for fun? sure but the old man gotta make a living.
where would his profits, his shares, his earnings or whatever will come from?

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by Makaveli+Jul 5 2006, 12:28 AM--> (Makaveli @ Jul 5 2006, 12:28 AM)
[email protected] 4 2006, 04:47 PM
In a Communist Society how could one work at a restaurant?
For example my Father has been a cook for almost 20 years. and he really loves it. He doesn't own his own restaurant. but has worked for the same sea food restaurant in Florida for nearly 18 years.

Would a bunch of people who love cooking and waiting tables get together and open and run a restaurant? how would they "get paid" or make a profit? How would the patrons pay for their meals and tip?


thanks.
Why do you always look at communism in a capitalist mindset? There would be no profit, they would have their needs met according to their needs and ability. If they wanted to cook and wait, then they would be entitled to do so. [/b]
because i just started to read about it 3 weeks ago. and i just recently got into it and gave it a shot! and capitalism is all ive known in 25 years so give me a break and help out your fellow comrade who is here learning and trying to grasp things. as opposed of being ignorant like half this fucking drones i live amongst.

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by Raj [email protected] 5 2006, 12:40 AM
Food and Water would no longer be a commodities in communism.

Your father could certainly still cooking and preparing food for people if he wanted, but there would be no owner profiting off of him doing so.
so he'd be cooking shit for noone? like a make believe restaurant that no one will go to? because since they dont have to pay. they can get it anywhere..."according to?"

[Raj Radical]

Originally posted by R_P_A_S+Jul 5 2006, 07:34 AM--> (R_P_A_S @ Jul 5 2006, 07:34 AM)
Raj [email protected] 5 2006, 12:40 AM
Food and Water would no longer be a commodities in communism.

Your father could certainly still cooking and preparing food for people if he wanted, but there would be no owner profiting off of him doing so.


yeah my father can cook for fun? sure but the old man gotta make a living.
where would his profits, his shares, his earnings or whatever will come from? [/b]
You have to look at it from a completely different mindset.

In communism there are no profits or shares . You dont earn a living, a living is a right.

Your father could continue to cook if he loves it, or he could go and do something else if he so choose..

He is no longer working because if he stopped he would starve, he is no longer working to make the owner of the restaurant rich, because there is no owner. The restaurant is managed and ran by the workers themselves.

He is providing his skill as a service to everybody else, who provide their skills or services to everyone.

This is all a communist society, which does not happen right after the revolution, a post-capitalist socialist society eventually evolves into the pure communist society we were talking about. A society doesnt go from class-divided commodity driven consumers to the "utopia" of communism over-night.

[STABD]

People will no longer derive pleasure from having others serve them, if your dad likes to cook so much then he will most likely have a lot of dinner parties, this will most likely make him fairly popular. If you want to take a date out for a romantic meal you learn how to cook, I’m sure this will be much more romantic then having other people do it for you.

[Delta]

Communism really depends on solidarity with other people, a feeling of wanting to give back, and the desire to be respected by your peers (this desire is obviously very important even today, but unfortunately takes the form of buying an expensive car rather than helping others). As mentioned above, this sort of behavior will not occur overnight.

Socialism or a participatory economy (parecon) is first necessary to transition to communism until people have built up enough solidarity and have broken out of the capitalist mindset.

[R_P_A_S]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2006, 04:23 PM
People will no longer derive pleasure from having others serve them, if your dad likes to cook so much then he will most likely have a lot of dinner parties, this will most likely make him fairly popular. If you want to take a date out for a romantic meal you learn how to cook, I’m sure this will be much more romantic then having other people do it for you.
What if I like going out to eat? is that so terrible? I cook too. and so what? and I dont do it because I get pleasure out of people serving me. I do it because some restaurants have a nice atmosphere and great food. So if I can't go to a good restaurant with my girlfriend or my family then I'm not down with this whole ideology. not just because of that. but it seems like there wont be ANY restaurants!?

[Raj Radical]

Originally posted by R_P_A_S+Jul 5 2006, 04:43 PM--> (R_P_A_S @ Jul 5 2006, 04:43 PM)
[email protected] 5 2006, 04:23 PM
People will no longer derive pleasure from having others serve them, if your dad likes to cook so much then he will most likely have a lot of dinner parties, this will most likely make him fairly popular. If you want to take a date out for a romantic meal you learn how to cook, I’m sure this will be much more romantic then having other people do it for you.
What if I like going out to eat? is that so terrible? I cook too. and so what? and I dont do it because I get pleasure out of people serving me. I do it because some restaurants have a nice atmosphere and great food. So if I can't go to a good restaurant with my girlfriend or my family then I'm not down with this whole ideology. not just because of that. but it seems like there wont be ANY restaurants!? [/b]
I cant see a reason why there wouldnt be restaurants.

Youre thinking that abolishing capitalism will smash all civilization and our society as it currently stands, which isent the case. Its much more simple, mate.

[nickdlc]

This is all a communist society, which does not happen right after the revolution, a post-capitalist socialist society eventually evolves into the pure communist society we were talking about. A society doesnt go from class-divided commodity driven consumers to the "utopia" of communism over-night. It doesnt happen over night but we should be actively pushing to achieve communism as fast as we can. The period between capitalism and full communism cannot be class society "light." Infact i would guess that R_S_A_P's dad would be doing pretty much the same thing described in your "full fledged" communist desciption.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

It's not that hard to understand really.


It's a simple principle, I agree.

But it might take a little while to get used to the idea, if you are not familiar with it beforehand.


R_P_A_S, I'm a cook myself. I do not see any problem with being a cook in a communist society. I think it would be the same, just that you would not have a grumpy bourgeoisie hanging over your shoulder and telling you to work harder and make profit for him.

That's a nice thing, it's a nice thing that cooking will not be about profit. You can be more creative. In capitalism it can often be "okay now I can't add anything more because the boss need profit". But in communism you can say "okay, I will marinate the beef in Havana Club rum for a few seconds while I prepare the rice, because that seems like a nice touch to the beef".

[Taiga]

This isn't very difficult to understand. I'll try to make it easy. If your father loves to cook - this is great! Let him cook for pleasure. And yes, people will come to the restaurant, will enjoy the food and will pay nothing. And what, your father has no means to live? The answer is, NO. Because he, like anybody else can get everything he needs for free. Very simple principle - you are not paid for your work and you don't pay if somebody does something to you. This is a gift economy. No money. No goods. Just people enjoying their lives.

[R_P_A_S]

I know most of you feel that im slow. but yes is just a little more difficult for me to imagine this amazing life style. when all i know and used to is capitalism.

going out to eat is one of my favorite things to do. so it be hard to imagine having no restaurants and bars. because someone would be "serving me"

[Redmau5]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2006, 06:08 PM
I know most of you feel that im slow. but yes is just a little more difficult for me to imagine this amazing life style. when all i know and used to is capitalism.

going out to eat is one of my favorite things to do. so it be hard to imagine having no restaurants and bars. because someone would be "serving me"
Well I always imagined that in a communist society work in the community would be rotated. For example, instead of you being a full-time waiter or bar-man (which I imagine is a pretty boring job) the work would be shared around the community. You might be a bar-man one day, and the next day you might be helping out with plumbing. You won't be stuck doing the same shitty job all your life, but will instead sample numerous trades. You will be able to do the work you like, just as long as you help the community out aswell.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

going out to eat is one of my favorite things to do.

It's one of my favorite things to do, too.


so it be hard to imagine having no restaurants and bars.

I agree.

Going to a resturant or a bar is social and it is a way of enjoying yourself.

[Janus]

but yes is just a little more difficult for me to imagine this amazing life style. when all i know and used to is capitalism.
I think that is the case with most of us here. We can envision the basic and general principles but we aren't really sure about all the little details yet as we haven't been able to actually put it into practice yet.