Jazz And Funk?

[drain.you]

Hey everyone,
I'm interested in listening to some jazz and funk bands but have no idea where I should start. Anyone here who can give me pointers to the decent bands from these genres?

[Jazzratt]

That depends entirely on what you mean by Jazz. As my name may imply I have a great love of jazz,although I don't know that many jazz artists I just like it when as a background thing. That said a good Jazz artist from the early days is Louis Jordan. Another good artist is Dizzy Guillespie, also you may want to (and this is straying into blues, but baear with me) want to listen to louis armstrong (especially things like 'Kiss to build a dream on' one of my favourite songs.). Personally though I would go for your local Jazz scene more (find pubs full of older people is the best way to do this)

Funk: start where I did, on 'safe' ground with Stevie wonder. If you can get hold of any of the 'Blaxploitation' compilations they have some good 'funky' stuff although its not technically funk. Again you should have a surprisingly thriving funk scene, again in the pubs.

[Rockfan]

The Buddy Rich Big Band is good, thats abouyt all the recorded jazz I've heard but I've seen a few live acts around town who were prity cool.

[drain.you]

cheers for the advice, will have a look around :)

[Abakua]

John Coltrane, Pharoah Sanders, Archie Shepp, Thelonious Monk, Sly Stone, Kool & the Gang, Curtis Mayfield, Gil Scott Heron, Sun Ra, Eugene Mcdaniels, The Meters, Isaac Hayes, Minnie Ripperton, Lee Konitz, Dave Bruebeck, Trio Mocoto, War, Banda black Rio, ESG, Herbie Hancock....

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Jazz and funk are two radically different genres, so I find it odd that you would group them together.

Jazz in itself is a very diverse genre. To get acquainted with jazz, you probably wanna start with some swing, big band stuff, maybe some classic jazz, ragtime, dixieland stuff, and then some bop. then you can explore those more closely or even other things like fusion, new age, and smooth. The latter two you might want to avoid if you have good taste.

I would suggest you look into Benny Goodman, Billie Holliday, Dizzie Gillespie, Stan Getz, Charlie Parker, Miles Davis, and John Coltrane. If you like be bop and hard bop, my personal favorite styles of jazz, also look into Charles Mingus, Cannonball Adderley, JJ Johnson, Art Blakey, Thelonious Monk, more Miles Davis, more John Coltrane, Sonny Rollins, and Bud Powell. Also look into Brazilian jazz. We have some great stuff. Guys like Antonio Carlos Jobim, Joao Gilberto, Egberto Gismonti, Tom Jobim, Joao Donato, etc are great.

As for funk... Stevie Wonder, James Brown, Curtis Mayfield, George Clinton's bands, and Sly and the Family Stone are all I really care for in thet genre. I've never really bothered to look much beyond that.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Being no jazz expert, I'l say Miles Davis seems to be a good transition from listening to rock music to listening jazz. In A Silent Way is a great album.

[Abakua]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2006, 02:57 AM
Jazz and funk are two radically different genres, so I find it odd that you would group them together.


Funk comes directly from Jazz, Listen to stuff on Strata-East or Impulse records and you find the seeds of Funk. JazzFunk is in itself a hybrid genre...

Jazz is not a static artform, it's influence can be found in many contemporary music and styles.. Cinematic Orchestra, Carl Craig, Kruder & Dorfmeister, Zero 7, Jazzanova, Bugz in the Attic, Osunlade, etc....

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Okay
and rock n roll comes dirrectly from blues
but nobody groups blues and rock together

[Abakua]

Well, O.k then..... I say balls to genres and convenient pigeon holes the best music blur's these imaginary divisions..

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

okay
fuck genres
let's say "musical movement"
funk is a "musical movement" completely apart from jazz, despite it being partly inspired by jazz

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2006, 02:39 PM
but nobody groups blues and rock together
er...actually they do

[drain.you]

Jazz and funk are two radically different genres, so I find it odd that you would group them together.
Didn't mean to sound like I was grouping them together, of course I am not! They are two genres that I haven't heard much from but am interested in listening to. Now you mention it simarlities can be made quite well but no, wasn't linking them.

[Abakua]

Nearly all contemporary popular western music can be traced back to either Jazz or blues - which derive from the religious and traditional musics of Africa and Europe.

So in reality there are only two strains from which all genres and sub-genres develop.

Jazz > Funk > Disco > Hip Hop > Electronica

Blues > Folk > Rock > Punk > Metal >

These strains often overlap. (R&B/Soul).

All these sub genres are either marketing ploys or lazy journalism... "Trip Hop" "Acid Jazz"

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I dissagree

first, there are the obvious mistakes, like many genres are better difined as musical or cultural movements which are often spurred in reaction to something, rather than inspired by something. Like there's no way punk came from metal.

rock came from blues, country, and rockabilly
country and blues are American folk music
the primcipal difference is skin color

funk is more like soul, except more raw and heavy
R&B is a huge genre, basically meaning all popular music performed by American black people

Trying to divide popular music into two general fields is both pretentious and silly.

[Abakua]

Oh dear.

Firstly, skin colour has nothing to do with it. R& B or Rhythm and blues can be performed by people of any colour. Secondly if you had read and understood my post you will have noticed that I place Metal firmly after Punk and as a derivative of Punk and part of the genesis of Rock and beforehand the blues.

Your original statement acertained that it was "odd" for someone to be interested in Jazz & Funk - I find it odd that you would find that odd.

Funnily enough some of us like to listen to more than one style.

Music is always from inspiration, and the music always outlasts any "cultural movements" attached to it.

I think you call me silly and pretentious because you made a fool of yourself with your original statements.

[Si Pinto]

I love 'space rock/jazz'.

For examples of bands, try Ozric Tentacles, Gong, Steve Hillage, Kraan and even some Pink Floyd tracks go into this category.

[Si Pinto]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 09:54 AM
Oh dear.

Firstly, skin colour has nothing to do with it. R& B or Rhythm and blues can be performed by people of any colour. Secondly if you had read and understood my post you will have noticed that I place Metal firmly after Punk and as a derivative of Punk and part of the genesis of Rock and beforehand the blues.

Your original statement acertained that it was "odd" for someone to be interested in Jazz & Funk - I find it odd that you would find that odd.

Funnily enough some of us like to listen to more than one style.

Music is always from inspiration, and the music always outlasts any "cultural movements" attached to it.

I think you call me silly and pretentious because you made a fool of yourself with your original statements.
The history of Punk can be traced back to the 'beatnik' poets of the late 40's and 50's, which is where the term 'punk' first gained prominence.

As David Byrne (Talking Heads) once said, "Punk is not a particular style of music, it's a term used to describe freedom of expression".

;)

[kjt1981]

Django Reinhardt

[Abakua]

As much as I respect David Byrne and his music, as a musical genre - "Punk" does not really appear until the late 1970's.

The Beatniks were strictly Jazz. Punk as an attitude and word has of course been around a lot longer.

[Si Pinto]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 12:03 PM
The Beatniks were strictly Jazz.
No,

They weren't 'strictly' anything!! ;)

They were into 'free performance art'.

Basically meaning 'anything goes'.

Which is the point David Byrne makes, Punk is about freedom of espression.

As opposed to 'FM friendly' music and progressive rock which the 70's punk explosion was a reaction against.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 04:54 AM
Oh dear.

Firstly, skin colour has nothing to do with it. R& B or Rhythm and blues can be performed by people of any colour. Secondly if you had read and understood my post you will have noticed that I place Metal firmly after Punk and as a derivative of Punk and part of the genesis of Rock and beforehand the blues.

Your original statement acertained that it was "odd" for someone to be interested in Jazz & Funk - I find it odd that you would find that odd.

Funnily enough some of us like to listen to more than one style.

Music is always from inspiration, and the music always outlasts any "cultural movements" attached to it.

I think you call me silly and pretentious because you made a fool of yourself with your original statements.
Yes, nowdays, I suppose people of any color can perform blues or R&B, but only when adhering to a style originated and propagated by American black musicians. In the 50s and 60s, there was basically no difference between rock n roll and R&B, except color. Nowdays they've split into different genres, still largely relegated to one race, with some exceptions.

I found it odd that someone would group jazz and funk together. It sounded like he meant that jazz/funk was an area in music he wanted to explore, when in actuality, they're two completely different musical fields.
I don't think you're familiar enough with my musical tastes to assert that I find it odd to listen to more than one genre. Or rather, you are clearly unfamiliar with my musicals tastes to have made such a judgement.

Music doesn't really outlast any cultural movement attached to it. A cultural movements carries what? A philosophy, a mindset, a set of mores, fashion, music, etc. I don't see why music must outlast the others.

Yes, all music is inspired by something, I may have used the wring word. What I meant was that not all music is a derrivative of another style of music. Sometimes it is a reaction to it. Still, however, as you pointed out, that is inspiration.

[Abakua]

Originally posted by Si Pinto+Jul 7 2006, 02:43 PM--> (Si Pinto @ Jul 7 2006, 02:43 PM)
[email protected] 7 2006, 12:03 PM
The Beatniks were strictly Jazz.
No,

They weren't 'strictly' anything!! ;)

They were into 'free performance art'.

Basically meaning 'anything goes'.

Which is the point David Byrne makes, Punk is about freedom of espression.

As opposed to 'FM friendly' music and progressive rock which the 70's punk explosion was a reaction against. [/b]
The beatniks poetry and prose is verbal and written Jazz riffing, they were inspired by the Jazz musicians of the late forties and early fifites. Also by Afro Cuban music - this is why they are associated with Bongo's (which they had no idea how to play correctly).

Jazz is free, Punk is not free (musically speaking).
Punk has a format, it is not based upon improvisation as is Jazz and a lot of Funk.


I'm trying to keep this in musical context.


RedZeppelin

For example, Disco music and the culture surrounding it had a very definate death in the early eighties, the clothes and dance moves had brief revivals but the music re-invented itself as House and lives on.

[Ol' Dirty]

Miles Davis is good. Most of the funk I listen to is on this great local radio station near me. I"ll give you the link.

http://www.whus.org/

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by Jazzratt+Jul 5 2006, 04:59 PM--> (Jazzratt @ Jul 5 2006, 04:59 PM)
[email protected] 5 2006, 02:39 PM
but nobody groups blues and rock together
er...actually they do [/b]
no they don't
perhaps in the context to blues-rock, the genre
just because some artists blur the line, doesn't mean there is no line
George Gershwin may have blurred the line between classical and jazz, but I think we all agree that the two are distictly different types of music.

[DISTURBEDrbl911]

If you want some good funk, listen to some Parliament or Funkadelic or P-Funk. Otherwise go with some George Clinton and Bootsy Collins solo stuff. For some jazz type stuff, go with some Herbie Hancock, Miles Davis, ect.... If you want a sweet jazzy funk type band, go with Bela Fleck and the Flecktones, its probably the only "rock" banjo you will ever hear, plus it features the bass genius of Victor Wooten. If you are interested in jazz and funk, might I also suggest blues and blues rock. Listen to some of the classics like Bo Diddley, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Johnnie Winter, The Allman Brothers Band and the amazing Derek Trucks Band.

[Xiao Banfa]

Sonny rollins is really smooth and very cool to have a good joint to.
Art Blakey is good too. I think coltrane's is pretty good too.

If you want some good funk, you should listen to Curtis Mayfield!

And for jazz-rock funk blend you should listen to Steely Dan.