Views on the Euro - Who supports the single currancy?

[Invader Zim]

What is the opinion of many of the people on this forum regarding the euro. I am having a debate with a nationalistic friend who wants to join the conservative party. I personnaly am in favour of joining the euro as it will increase the economic standards of europe and therefor increase the average wage and economic prosperity of its workers. Where you guys stand on this issue.

[redstar2000]

#Moderation Mode

I think this belongs in Politics.

:cool:

Moved here (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=11&topic=3694)

[Invader Zim]

No it does not belong in politics, it is an economic question not political. It was also conserning the opinion of should the Euro be used, a theoretical question if you live in a non euro country, therefor it is theory.

However i can live with it in this forum.

[scott thesocialist]

if britain joins the euro the bank of england loses the right to change inflation meaning it can't control interest rates on loans, meaning that europe will control EVERYTHING that you do from bus fares to the price of a pint of milk so i say no to the euro!

[Invader Zim]

Europe already does control Britains inflation as part of the agreement of all nations when they Join the EU. The B of C simply follows the strict economic guidelines set by EU. That is why you will see when looking at nations in the EU that there interest rates and inflation rates are more or less paralel with each other in increase and decrease.

[scott thesocialist]

so what difference will it make then, apart from europe having more control over our everyday lives is that not capatalism?

[Invader Zim]

It will mean that the trade in the Euro block increases allowing more investment in european industrys, thus cutting down third world explotiation labour. It also means that the economys of all those nations in the euro will be improved by the influx of the UK's economy bringing a higher standard of living to several 100,000,000 people.

It will also increase investment in British industry in particular lowering the unemployment rates. It also add competition to the USA menaing that they nolonger have an economic monopoly on the world which would mean that international prices would go down as a result. Increasing the livelyhood of 6.6 billion people.

Unity is streangth.

(Edited by AK47 at 5:44 pm on May 16, 2003)

[Leftist Spider]

I don't support the idea of one currency for Europe, because:

a) It's part of U.S. agenda
B) If the Euro crashes, Europe will be down in the anals of history (and that's what 'a' is about...)

Hmmmm...

[chamo]

I don't think the subject can be split down "left & right" lines.

I really couldn't be bothered what happens in the Euro debate. But the point of keeping the pound for the fact that it has the Queen's face on it I find quite ridiculous.

But some say Britain will suffer as a result of not joining, and that the pound is already falling against the Euro.

[Fiskebat]

Well everyone says you will suffer from not joining the Euro! But thats not true, as scott said Britain would no longer be able to have an own money policy and absolute no small state like the one I live in, Sweden.

Actually our stupid Prime Minister Göran persson has said that if we(the people of Swe) do not vote yes we will be forced to have elections over and over again until we say yes.

I say we would be just fine without the goddamn Euro(this WILL end up in a European SUPERSTATE!)

[Saint-Just]

Its not going to particularly effect our movement, unless the socialist movement becomes strong enough as to be relevant inthe whole situation. As a socialist society of course we could not be in the EU. As of now it matters little.

If the EU becomes a superstate it will remain as right-wing as it is. I'd bother opposing it only if I thought our leadership was better than that of the leadership in continental Europe, sadly however, its not, and from the looks of things won't be unless there are some very drastic changes.

[hawarameen]

the euro will be run for the benefit of the larger, wealthier, stronger countries.

the likes of france, germany, britain and others will gain but smaller countries will suffer when their economic needs are ignored for the benefit of the wealthier nations

[Ian]

European Union: Capitalists of the world, UNITE!

(one line posts are fun)

[Fiskebat]

I totally agree with hawarameen!

A new European superstate is definetly something we must stop. I dont belive we live in a democracy now(officaly we do but u know!) and if you move the ruling power so long away as brussels, or where it will be, we would never be heard, even if we were heard a little before the EU!

STOP THE SPREADING OF EU! WE ARE SEPERATE STATES AND SO WE SHALL REMAIN! :o

[peaccenicked]

To me it is a matter of sheer panic. The United states are an up and coming rogue fascist nation ready to extend their power and cultural dominance to every part of the world.
The idea of an European union is merely a logical development of imperialism but I support this development in so far as it opposes US foriegn policy.
The Euro is as only as good as how much it weakens the US dollar. Britain should go in with it and ditch its poodle status of with the US.
Fuck US Imperialism with every weapon we have.

[Fiskebat]

I wont agree with u, to fight imperialsm we create an other imperialstic state and perhaps even get a new cold war!

A new superstate with a unvincible army and with capitalistic intrests, NO!

It aint the right way to create a new superstate called Eu to make USA weaker! I say crush the American imperialsim instead with the people as liberators not soldiers wearing a blue flag with yellow stars that come to set up a new regime, perhaps even worse than the one before!

[GCusack]

yes I agree with the euro I think it will help bring Europe closer together!

[Invader Zim]

As i have said i support it as international trade competition will increase causing international prices to fall, helping all workers in all sociotys.

[Sandanista]

THE EURO DEBATE IS FUTILE, IT DOESNT INCREASE OR DECREASE THE LIKELY HOOD OF SOCIALISM.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

Quote: from happyguy on 9:29 pm on May 16, 2003


I don't think the subject can be split down "left & right" lines.



Definately true.

I don't know much about the economics of it. I've asked some friends who study Economics and they are split. Apparently, the Euro is a bad idea because small countries with poor econoies lower it's strength. They say it would be a good thing because it will make trading etc. easier and because the pound is falling.

I think it will be quite a good thing. The political side of it is that it could improve relations and anything that does that is good in my book.

Like I said though, I'm not very well educated on the effects the Euro would have.

[kingbee]

basically, it makes business a lot easier for the multi national companies.

on the other hand, i am against so much british bullshit nostalgia that i would be glad to get rid of our currency. i hate it when people love thier nationality and say that the queen and the pound symbolise it.

i'm probably more for it.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I suppose the euro will help unite Europe, which is deffinetely good. Unity is what we want. The problem is that the unity would be based on a monetary unit and would be most convenient for Europen imperialism., instead od the working class of Europe. This may be the dawn of a cold-war-like situation with Europe as a superpower vs. the US. This is not what we want. This will not spread unity and brotherhood, it will instead spread national pride and hatred.

I am in favor of a union of all the workers of the world. I am, however, against a union of wealthy, imperialistic European powers.

[RAM]

Trade has incresed by 20% in Euro countries. I support it and don't belive that the UK is summed up in a piece of paper!

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

Quote: from Victorcommie on 10:23 pm on May 21, 2003
I suppose the euro will help unite Europe, which is deffinetely good. Unity is what we want. The problem is that the unity would be based on a monetary unit


Awesome point. But if that what it takes....

I think I probably support it more for the point RAM made as well as the unity factor. I don't think we will enter another cold war like era though. I can't see the powers in conflict. A situation like that is usually based on conflicting ideologies.

[RAM]

The trouble with people saying that we are looisng our "Britishness" in a pice of paper could imply that we have also lost it by imigration!

[chamo]

That's funny, because in the Eighties when Britain started issuing the soft red european passports and people had to give up the traditoinal blue hardback ones, people were outraged and claimed they were being forced to give up some of their historical and national identity. Shows how much they know. Britain didn't even have passports until after the First World War, all they had to do was to simply announce themselves as being British at border crossings. So infact using the blue passport was a shame upon how far Britain had come down in the world.

So the whole debate about the "Queen's head" being on the coin is bullshit. Who gives a toss. The face could still be put on the other coin, where in Ireland there is the Harp, as has always been on the Punt.