The 'wog' Way

[Zero]

Some of you may already know what I'm talking about, especially if you are in the states, but if you don't I'll try to explain as best I can... though you won't truely understand until you watch some of the videos...

There is a Canadian named Sean Kennedy. He was in the armed forces for a part of his life, where he learned the basics of survival, how to properly use weaponry, store it, how to do things properly, etc. Since his retirement from the military he has gotten into the 'Cyberpunk' scene and became a Internet radio personality. He has produced many many different shows, and is probably one of the only people to actively convert people out of the Capitalist lifestyle down into self-sufficiency. Sure you can call him a lifestylist, but thats not all he is trying to do. Where is his politics oriented? Left, somewhere... he has talked some on Communism on one of his talk shows, and shown himself quite uninformed on it, but he is a anti-Capitalist, for that I am sure.

Thats quite a poor explanation of him, its best if you just watch his videos. He isn't making any money off of them, so you can do whatever you want with them. Just don't sell them. :P

All videos (http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=%22patrolling+with+sean+kennedy%22&page=1&lv=0&so=0)

Season 1:
Episode 1 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7256808114879722750&q=%22patrolling+with+sean+kennedy%22)
Episode 2 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5842392659496130543&q=%22patrolling+with+sean+kennedy%22)
Episode 3 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8415960805629782971&q=%22patrolling+with+sean+kennedy%22)
Episode 4 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7098916566969858243&q=%22patrolling+with+sean+kennedy%22)
Episode 5 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5791457798542792112&q=%22patrolling+with+sean+kennedy%22)
Episode 6 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2210379324580859568&q=%22patrolling+with+sean+kennedy%22)
Episode 7 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2381627551744851400&q=%22patrolling+with+sean+kennedy%22)
Episode 8 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6206275828866021482&q=%22patrolling+with+sean+kennedy%22)
Episode 9 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6566278304937624419&q=%22patrolling+with+sean+kennedy%22)
Episode 10 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2767186219605566779&q=%22patrolling+with+sean+kennedy%22)
Episode 11 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3661611984786132271&q=%22patrolling+with+sean+kennedy%22)

Season 2:
Episode 1 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1417439470120097374&q=%22patrolling+with+sean+kennedy%22)
Episode 2 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7543688850652128709&q=%22patrolling+with+sean+kennedy%22)
Episode 3 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4939412463228484259&q=%22patrolling+with+sean+kennedy%22)
Episode 4 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2837070470152922016&q=%22patrolling+with+sean+kennedy%22)

He goes deep into everything from intellegent clothing choices, to a drink that you can live on for 8 days. He may seem a bit insane, but I think thats what makes people intresting. Hell, I agree with him about 90-95% of the time when he gets onto his rants, and he has a bunch of people on his forums who are everywhere from ex-Neo-Cons, Communists, Anarchists, and Socialists. Anyway, I suggest you check out his stuff.

[Zero]

By the way, I forgot to add:

It's a lot easier to download the videos and watch them as they download and stream with Google Video Player. Click on a video, hit the download button, download the install file that is presented to you, install it, run the player (should be Start->All Programs->Google Video->Google Video Player)

After it is open, click on the download button again, and it should either give you a different file to download (extension:.gvp) or you should see a link that says 'Download video manually'. Click on that, and it should start streaming from your Google Video Player. If it doesn't, something is wrong, and you should just watch it on the website. It won't be so huge and glitchy though if you hit the little arrow that is pointing down, and click on 'Double Size', or 'Origional Size'.

[RebelOutcast]

Hmm, I enjoyed watching the first one, the guy talks a bit fast, but he's not unintelligable. He's slightly odd, but not totally.

And yes, he does call something gay, once, so people who have a problem with that might want to not watch it.

[Dyst]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=22...sean+kennedy%22 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2210379324580859568&q=%22patrolling+with+sean+kennedy%22)

The speech to the end is extremely interesting.

[Zero]

Starts at 20:13

[Ian]

Why is this called the 'Wog' way? I think that 'wisdom oriented guardian' might be a joke.

[Zero]

Yeah, it may be. But Do It Yourselfer doesn't exactly flow now does it?

I'm currently on Episode 8, waiting for it to buffer (*stab* *kill* *maim*) and the more I watch, the more I realise.

He is insane, he is paranoid, he is overprepared...

...but is he wrong?

We all know the revolution will be bloody, it will be horrific, and it will be chaotic. There will be demonization of a great majority of people, laws will be completely fucked around with, politicians will become Pat Robertsonesq demanding this and that trying to take back control of the population... and thats only an estimate.

... are you prepared?

[dannie]

i like it, i like it but no need to use crappy google player, rantmedia put all episodes up

http://patrolling.rantmedia.ca/download.php

[RebelOutcast]

I actually think the guy is quite endearing.


He is insane, he is paranoid, he is overprepared...

...but is he wrong?

The simple answer is no, it is always good to be totally self sufficient.

[An archist]

He's focussing a bit too much on being prepared I think, it seems to be a goal of it's own.
I might be wrong, I haven't seen all the episodes, good advice though.

[Freigemachten]

Good shit, I'm on episode 6, I am so glad I have a fast computer so i don't have to wait for buffering. HAHAHA, I will eventualy download them and burn them.

[Forward Union]

There is a very similar video perhaps not quite as longn that I reccomend you all watch:
Episode 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ynXBMgLEbM&search=danger%2050%2C000)

[Fidel Follower]

I think hes great, one of the good guys if you ask me! :D

[Freigemachten]

o no, I can't download stuff on this computer, and i've seen all the available episodes on google video. I want season 2 episodes 5 and 6.

[Nihilist Fiend]

WWWWWOOOOOOOOOOGGGGG!

It's great that you are able to spread Sean's message to the intelligent masses. I applaud your actions!!!

The meaning of the word WOG is based on the cult that is Scientology. Sean is rabidly against this dangerous cult and often uses tongue in cheek humor to attack them. A WOG is a person who is not "enlightened" to the secrets of Scientology in that religion. Sean has transformed this term to mean a person who rejects the media-culture of today and works to be self-sufficient.

[Ian]

Originally posted by Nihilist [email protected] 30 2006, 06:06 PM
The meaning of the word WOG is based on the cult that is Scientology. Sean is rabidly against this dangerous cult and often uses tongue in cheek humor to attack them. A WOG is a person who is not "enlightened" to the secrets of Scientology in that religion. Sean has transformed this term to mean a person who rejects the media-culture of today and works to be self-sufficient.
Wog is a racist term, please don't use it.

[RebelOutcast]

Originally posted by Ian+Jul 30 2006, 08:23 AM--> (Ian @ Jul 30 2006, 08:23 AM)
Nihilist [email protected] 30 2006, 06:06 PM
The meaning of the word WOG is based on the cult that is Scientology. Sean is rabidly against this dangerous cult and often uses tongue in cheek humor to attack them. A WOG is a person who is not "enlightened" to the secrets of Scientology in that religion. Sean has transformed this term to mean a person who rejects the media-culture of today and works to be self-sufficient.
Wog is a racist term, please don't use it. [/b]

Wog is a shortened version of the word polliwog (frequently modified with the word slimy), used for sailors during the Line-crossing ceremony on the first time they cross the equator. Polliwog or pollywog is an increasingly obsolete synonym for tadpole which has been traced back to Middle English.

This use of polliwog goes back to at least the 19th century and thus may be the oldest source of wog. Dictionaries are unaware of it, possibly because Eric Partridge missed it in his Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English (1937).

Perhaps not?
Why get all uppity about a racial epithet that no one uses?
Especially when it is being used in a non-racial and non-offensive way as an acronym?

[Mujer Libre]

Originally posted by RebelOutcast+Jul 30 2006, 08:41 AM--> (RebelOutcast @ Jul 30 2006, 08:41 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 08:23 AM

Nihilist [email protected] 30 2006, 06:06 PM
The meaning of the word WOG is based on the cult that is Scientology. Sean is rabidly against this dangerous cult and often uses tongue in cheek humor to attack them. A WOG is a person who is not "enlightened" to the secrets of Scientology in that religion. Sean has transformed this term to mean a person who rejects the media-culture of today and works to be self-sufficient.
Wog is a racist term, please don't use it.

Wog is a shortened version of the word polliwog (frequently modified with the word slimy), used for sailors during the Line-crossing ceremony on the first time they cross the equator. Polliwog or pollywog is an increasingly obsolete synonym for tadpole which has been traced back to Middle English.

This use of polliwog goes back to at least the 19th century and thus may be the oldest source of wog. Dictionaries are unaware of it, possibly because Eric Partridge missed it in his Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English (1937).

Perhaps not?
Why get all uppity about a racial epithet that no one uses?
Especially when it is being used in a non-racial and non-offensive way as an acronym? [/b]
People in Australia use the term "wog" as a racist insult all the time, usually directed at Middle Eastern people, but it was originally used toward Southern Europeans (mainly). So yeah, it's in common use.

It would be easy to think of a better acronym...

[Ian]

Yeah it's pretty much the insult of choice for anyone who isn't white.

[An archist]

I justed watched the 7th episode, good stuff, especially what he said about the cops(I'll never like them, but he does make sense), the banks and advertising.

[Nihilist Fiend]

Not trying to be racists but isn't it better to take the words of oppression and discrimination and destroy their power. You can take power away from a word. Also people are calling themselves WOGS, they are not calling others by that name.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by Nihilist Fiend+--> (Nihilist Fiend)Not trying to be racists but isn't it better to take the words of oppression and discrimination and destroy their power. [/b]

In some cases, yes - in this case, no. Reclaiming language is meant to be done by the oppressed themselves - people are subject to the term 'wog' - not because some random white person feels like referring to themselves as a 'nigger', a 'wop' or a 'wog', whilst effectively ignoring the issue of racism and the racist nature of the terms.


Nihilist Fiend

Also people are calling themselves WOGS, they are not calling others by that name.

So it's okay for white people to go around calling each other 'nigger'? Heteros to call each 'faggot'?

[Nihilist Fiend]

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[Black Dagger]

I read that thread, but it didnt respond to any of my criticisms, its merely people repeating what you have already said in this thread (and to which I and others have responded), i.e. that white can 'reclaim' white racist terminology and start calling themselves 'wogs' with no care as to the racist implications of the language, historical and contemporary

So please, respond to my post directly.

[Nihilist Fiend]

Firstly you have assumed that everyone who identifies with this school of thought is white. This is no whites only country club, so I fail to see what the issue is.

Secondly as I have explained the word is not as clearly defined as a racial term. The word was adopted from Scientology, not as a racial slur.

Lastly the intent of the speaker trumps whatever vocabulary is used. In this sense the word is not being used in a derogatory fashion, and is not being branded onto another person, only onto the speaker.

My question to you is should there be a list of words that people can't say based on their race, religion, political party, and so on? To do so would only strengthen the divide between people, which is of course a bad thing.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by Nihilist Fiend+--> (Nihilist Fiend)Firstly you have assumed that everyone who identifies with this school of thought is white. This is no whites only country club, so I fail to see what the issue is.[/b]

True, but doesn't negate the issue as you suggest - what about those people who are not subject to the term but use it? Just because some adherents to the 'wog' way are not white, doesn't mean the issue becomes irrelevant.


Originally posted by Nihilist Fiend+--> (Nihilist Fiend)
Secondly as I have explained the word is not as clearly defined as a racial term. The word was adopted from Scientology, not as a racial slur.[/b]

Of course it is clearly defined as a racial term, the word originates from derogatory British slang to describe everyone from Africans to southern europeans, Arabs and on. And this usage predates the creation of scientology.


Originally posted by Nihilist Fiend

Lastly the intent of the speaker trumps whatever vocabulary is used. In this sense the word is not being used in a derogatory fashion, and is not being branded onto another person, only onto the speaker.

No, it doesnt. Whilst intent is obviously important it certainly doesnt 'trump' social reality, i.e. racism. That you don't 'mean' to be racist, doesn't mean that your usage becomes harmless, you don't act or exist outside of social norms.

That you may be offending someone unintentionally does not mean you can just keep on doing it, because your intent is not to offend.

Intent trumps all? So it's cool if i decide to start refer to or introduce myself publically as a 'nigger'? 'Gook'? 'Spic'? What about heteros calling themselves 'faggots'?

Of course if the intention is not to be racist or homophobic, who cares right? I mean, if the people who are subject to those terms get offended they should just get over it? Or better yet, chill out?


Nihilist [email protected]

My question to you is should there be a list of words that people can't say based on their race, religion, political party, and so on?

If you're asking whether or not racist, homophobic, sexist etc. slurs are free-range, then yes, i don't think it's progressive or positive for white people to go round calling themselves 'niggers' or heteros calling themselves 'faggots'.


Nihilist Fiend
]
To do so would only strengthen the divide between people, which is of course a bad thing.

How on earth does that 'strengthen' the divide between people?

If anything, ignoring the manifestation of social prejudice in language, ignoring the social context in which you live (be it racist, sexist or homophobic), ignoring the wishes of people who are offended by your language - that is what strengthens the divide.

Acting as if prejudice, that racism etc doesn't exist, that nothing you say can or ever will carry social baggage simply because in your head you know your intent is not malicious. The way to smash the divide between people is to confront prejudiced attitudes whereever they manifest, and unintentional 'prejudice' only complicates this process.

[Nihilist Fiend]

I have no problem with anyone calling themselves whatever. Be it a black guy calling himself a cracker or a white guy calling himself a nigga.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wog - Scroll down a bit to the Maritime usage ( predates the racial usage )

The only point is don't get hung up on a word. It is only a word, and it only has power if you give it power.

[Black Dagger]

Why do you never respond to what i say directly?


I have no problem with anyone calling themselves whatever. Be it a black guy calling himself a cracker or a white guy calling himself a nigga.

Or a hetero calling themself a 'faggot'?

Okay, but what if Black people don't want white people calling themselves niggers? Hmm?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wog - Scroll down a bit to the Maritime usage ( predates the racial usage )

Um, it says:


Originally posted by wiki+--> (wiki)This use of polliwog goes back to at least the 19th century and thus may be the oldest source of wog. Dictionaries are unaware of it, possibly because Eric Partridge missed it in his Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English (1937).[/b]

Well the racial usage definately goes back to the 19th century, there's no uncertainty involved (i.e. 'at least' the 19th century). And that this 'may' be the oldest source is not definitive at all.

Moreover the source you referenced acknowledges that this is usage is not very well known, 'Dictionaries are unaware of it' - yet dictionaries are very aware of the racial background, because it is by far the dominant usage.

Oh and you seem to be forgetting your original point:

"The word was adopted from Scientology, not as a racial slur."

So you've dropped that idea now? In favour of this dubious maritime argument? For someone so blasé about prejudiced language, you sure are trying very hard to avoid admitting the racial origins and usage of the term.


nihilist fiend
The only point is don't get hung up on a word. It is only a word, and it only has power if you give it power.

Can't see i didn't see this clich'e coming...

It's not 'only' a word, it's a word that a lot of historical (and contemporary) racist baggage, and a word that is still in common use as a racial slur, even if it is not where you happen to live.

All this stuff about giving words 'power' is meaningless rhetoric, if by 'power' you mean racist connotations, well i don't give words those connotations, nor will ignoring these connotations change our racist society, or the 'power' of racist slurs. You don't tackle racism by ignoring it, by ignoring when its manifest in language, or by ignoring race, that is just liberal colour-blind non-sense.

[Nihilist Fiend]

I have no problem with a straight person calling themselves a fag. If black people have a problem with white people calling themselves nigger, well thats too bad. What right do I have to tell you that you can't call yourself a name? Your line of thought makes no sense.

The idea is that the word, in relating to the episodes of Patrolling, was adopted from scientology, meaning no racists intent was there upon selection of the word.

With the maritime sample, you contended that the racial use predated the use in scientology, Well the maritime use may have predated the racial use. I am not saying this negates the racial use, I am merely showing that a word can be adopted by another group and have the meaning altered. It used to be that "punk" was a bad thing, but now the definition has changed.

I would go so far as to say that I can call myself whatever I want. Say I wanted to call myself a fag (I'm not) . You would say something along the lines of "you can't do that, its offensive to homosexuals!" I ask in what way! Am I calling the homosexuals a fag? No. Am I in any way, shape, or form putting a negative spin to the homosexual community? NO! So whats the deal!!

[Black Dagger]

I have no problem with a straight person calling themselves a fag. If black people have a problem with white people calling themselves nigger, well thats too bad.

Right, and so ends the discussion.

Bottom line being you don't give a fuck if people want you to 'reclaim' prejudiced language on their behalf or not, if they tell you to stop or that they're offended, fuck em' basically.

Great!



What right do I have to tell you that you can't call yourself a name? Your line of thought makes no sense.

Well perhaps if we lived in a utopia you might have a point, but as we don't, i really don't see how your line of thought makes any sense. You do something, people get pissed, you tell them to get over it and ignore them, or tell them something about how how words only have the power you give them etc. But just continue what you're doing, the point is you don't care if you actions negatively effect others, and that is a problem.



The idea is that the word, in relating to the episodes of Patrolling, was adopted from scientology, meaning no racists intent was there upon selection of the word.

I never suggested that there was a racial intent to the adoption of the word either by this radio personality or scientologists - but frankly i can't be sure on either case, especially with the scientologists.



With the maritime sample, you contended that the racial use predated the use in scientology, Well the maritime use may have predated the racial use.

Okay, but 'may' is about as un-concrete as you can get it, it's not a good counter-argument. The fact is, the racial meaning of the term is very clearly grounded in at the least the 19th century, it's a british colonial term, and british colonisation extends into the 18th century.



I am not saying this negates the racial use,

I thought that was what you were saying when you said this?


Originally posted by you

Lastly the intent of the speaker trumps whatever vocabulary is used.

?



I am merely showing that a word can be adopted by another group and have the meaning altered.

Sure you can alter it for your tiny group of 'wisdom orientated guardians', but that doesnt change broader social reality, and ignoring the connotations, saying its completely neutral or that it doesnt matter certainly does nothing to challenge the racist attitudes that generate this language, or even racist language itself

After all, you're not reclaiming the word as a form of self-empowerment, you're appropiating a racial slur in a way that has nothing to do with challenging racism or generating a positive image for the oppressed, but because of an obscure tie-in with scientology (and whether or not the words usage by scientologists is linked to its use as a racial slur is highly probable given the alternate possibilities have nothing to do with personal insults).



It used to be that "punk" was a bad thing, but now the definition has changed.

Yes, but punk was not a racial slur, it was never directed specifically at a single group of people based on characteristics or perceived characteristics of that group.



I would go so far as to say that I can call myself whatever I want. Say I wanted to call myself a fag (I'm not) . You would say something along the lines of "you can't do that, its offensive to homosexuals!"

Well if you're talking about if you did this on the street, in conversation with me, i'd probably punch you in the mouth, because you're being an insensitive tosser. I'm not trying to threaten you, i'm just saying, people don't like when you just ignore shit that effects them like that.

If you walked around a predominantly Black neighbourhood calling yourself a 'nigger' you'd probably be met with the same reaction, and that is understandable given the baggage the term has, and that you're not Black.



Am I calling the homosexuals a fag? No. Am I in any way, shape, or form putting a negative spin to the homosexual community? NO! So whats the deal!!

You're trivialising prejudice language, and abusing your privilege. You're not queer, or Black, yet you're using terms that are extremely hurtful when used by people such as yourself as if these words are just neutral vehicles that have no objective social meaning, that in practice they can mean whatever you want them to, and to hell with what other people think on that matter.

The fact that you said, it's 'too bad' if people get offended reinforces this point, you don't give a fuck about tackling racism or homophobia, you just wana do what you want, regardless of how it effects other people.

[Nihilist Fiend]

Yes it is "too bad" that some people feel they have right to control the speech of others.

If you understood that the entire wog movement is based on being self-sufficient, environmentally responsible, and spiritually understanding you would see how the movement is destroying the racial impact of the word. I want the word wog to conjure up images of responsible citizens making a better place of their community. I might have been insensitive to the racial side of this word, not being from the region, but I don't see the right, in this specific usage, to restrict speech.

In retrospect it was my fault for letting the conversation turn to a more broad discussion on discrimination, instead of the specific case in front of us.

[Freigemachten]

Will some one please upload the rest of Season 2 to some sort of video host? I do not have the recources to download these but i really enjoy them, I'd appreciate it.

[Zero]

Sean is currently in the Canadian Armed Forces training to become certified as a mechanic and medic in use in civilian life, since the begining of July. So there will be no more Patrolling untill he gets back. He said something like three months.

And you can get 5 and 6 of S2 by downloading Azureus (http://azureus.sourceforge.net) and then getting the two torrents (here (http://patrolling.rantmedia.ca/files/patrolling-s02e05-xvid.avi.torrent), and here (http://patrolling.rantmedia.ca/files/patrolling-s02e06-xvid.avi.torrent).)

If you like Sean though, you can check out his many many rants on different subjects by checking out his NewsReal section Here (http://www.rantradio.com/shows/newsreal/episodelist.php).

***Warning*** he is uneducated about Communism, Socialism, and Anarchism. He equates Communism to the USSR (As far as I can remember anyway.)

EDIT: Sorry, I didn't know about 'WOG' being a racial insult. I've never ever heard the term over here, and I'm betting Sean hasn't either.

[An archist]

hmmm, in the later episodes it becomes clear that all the training and preparing are meant for a possible alien invasion :blink:
weirdo

[Zero]

lol, you do realise that he would probably be arrested if he was showing people how to defend themselves against other people in Canada. I dunno, I think thats his angle. Though I dunno, he just knows a lot about military gear. That comes in handy in the middle of a riot.

[An archist]

true, but I was really like this--> :blink: when he explained how to make a tinfoil hat

[Zero]

Yeah, I never said he wasn't a complete wackjob at points. But his general message is good, and his knowlege of weapons, gear, and kit is excellent.

[Tower of Bebel]

Best thread ever seen (since I became a member, so that's not very long). Sean has tons of hints, he's funny :D and can be quoted for trueth ^_^