Indie!

[Djehuti]

Come on!

Belle & Sebastian, The Moldy Peaches, Pixies, et cetera. :wub:

It can't just be me?

[Jazzratt]

Yes it can.

In all fairness I like the Pixies. But it COULD have been just you.

[kjt1981]

Its not just you at all! Dear Catastrophe Waitress - great, great, great album!!!

Ditto Doolittle.

Peace.

No such thing as a harmless joke.

[RebelOutcast]

No mention of Mew or Sigur Ros?
Or are we just listing american indie bands?

[More Fire for the People]

I ♥ Indie: Arctic Monkeys, Bloc Party, The Bravery, Death Cab for Cutie, Franz Ferdinand, and the list goes on. I like some indie-pop too, Frou Frou, The Postal Service, and the like. As to the Pixies, 'whores in my head / whores in my bed', excellent song.

[Djehuti]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 11:51 PM
No mention of Mew or Sigur Ros?
Or are we just listing american indie bands?
No of cource not. Danish and icelandic is fine too. :)

Belle & Sebastian is scottish btw. ;)

[RebelOutcast]

Belle & Sebastian may be scottish, but they seem to be bigger in the US than in the UK.
Idlewild are pretty good.

[Ferg]

Joel Plaskett all the way, I'm seeing him live on Sunday.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Hopscotch [email protected] 01, 2006 01:54 am
I ♥ Indie: Arctic Monkeys, Bloc Party, The Bravery, Death Cab for Cutie, Franz Ferdinand, and the list goes on. I like some indie-pop too, Frou Frou, The Postal Service, and the like. As to the Pixies, 'whores in my head / whores in my bed', excellent song.
Unfortunatly most of those bands are good, but really overplayed and over-rated, which is a real pity.

I love 'indie', though I hate the term and the way some music fascists talk about it. Basically I call 'indie' relatively low budget or alternative soft rock music, though I know that is not the 'real' definition. These are the artists currently on my Driving/test play list which was made by me and my friend I was giving a lift back. It contains a lot of artists - it is mostly indie, but there are a few strays. Most of them are really good, some of them aren't so good (my friend listens Razorlight, what can i say?) but I occassionally DJ for an indie society at my uni so i keep a fair bit of stuff which people regularly request, which is why I have it to put on the playlist... So if its shit, its not my entirely fault. :lol:

Ash,
Athlete,
Baby Shambles,
Bad Seeds,
Belle and Sebastian,
Biffy Clyro,
Blondie,
Ben Folds Five,
Blur,
British Sea power,
Broken Social Scene,
Catatonia,
The Chameleons,
Coldplay
Cranberries,
David Gray,
The Dead 60's,
Deep Blue Something,
Dirty Pretty Things,
Doves
Easy World,
Echo and the Bunnymen,
Editors,
Elastica,
Embrace,
Engineers,
The Fall,
Feeder,
The Flaming Lips,
The Fratellis,
Futureheads,
Graham Coxon,
Grandaddy,
Happy Mondays,
Harry and the Potters,
Head Automatica,
Idlewild,
jack Johnson,
The Jam,
James,
James Dean Bradfield,
Joy Division,
Kasabian,
Keane,
The Killers,
Kings of Leon,
The la's,
levellers,
The Libertines,
The Lightning Seeds,
Lou Reed,
Manic Street Preachers,
Morrisey,
Muse,
The Music,
My Vitriol,
New Radicals,
No Doubt,
Oasis,
Ocean Colour Scene,
Pipettes,
Pixies,
Placebo,
The Pogues,
Porcupine Tree,
Pulp,
R.E.M,
The Raconteaurs,
Radiohead,
Richard Ashcroft,
Sans Trauma,
Semisonic,
Sigor Ros,
Sixpence None the Richer,
The Smiths,
Snow patrol,
Spoon,
Star Sailor,
Stereophonics,
The Stone Roses,
The Strokes,
Suede,
Travis,
Turin Breaks,
The Verve,
White Stripes,
Wire.

[which doctor]

Fuck it!

Yeah I listen to "independent " music.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

some nice bands on that list, enigma
but Keane? The Killers?

The Fall, Pavement, Sonic Youth, Robert Pollard, Dinosaur Jr., Devendra Banhart, Olivia Tremor Control, Built to Spill, The Decemberists, Destroyer, Flaming Lips, Ted Leo, Millionaire, Elliot Smith, Spoon, Loose Fur, Wilco, Iron & Wine, Sufjan Stevens, Stephen Malkmus, Silver Jews, Pixies are some pretty good "indie" artists

[Invader Zim]

I actually don't mind Keane or the Killers that much, they have a couple of catchy songs each, very overplayed though - but they do introduce more people to the 'indie' scene which can only be a good thing. They are good dance floor fillers as well, which is further reason to stick them on. People seem to like Mr Brightside by the Killers over Glósóli by Sigur Rós.

Personally, i think that David Gray and The Fratellis are more embarrising. Having said that White Ladder by David Gray is a good album.

[Ol' Dirty]

I haven't listened much, ut I like what I've heard.

[The Grey Blur]

Modest Mouse! Bloc Party! Yo La Tengo!

[which doctor]

Invader Zim, having the White Stripes on your list is pretty embarrassing.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

why?
They're not very indie... at all
but they're a great rock band
not embarrassing at all
I often disagree strongly with zim when it comes to music, but I will gladly back his choice to include the white stripes as one of the better artists of today

[Invader Zim]

They're not very indie... at all

Well, all their albums have been released on indie labels. Not that, that means much these days, for a genre of underground rock music on independent record labels which now has bands which are neither underground and not on independent record labels. Indie, within reason, can be whatever you want it to be. For example if you go to an indie rock club, they won't just play the Smiths all night... though that would be kinda cool.

Two of the bands that I love to hate are Razor light, because Johnny Borrell is a complete prat and his band are just plain shit and Bloc Party. Block Party are not a shit band and I do have their EP and Silent Alarm. But what I hated was how many times they rereleased the album.


Invader Zim, having the White Stripes on your list is pretty embarrassing.

When you have a lot of stuff of this type, you are bound to have ones other people who are into the scene consider embarrising and artists you even consider yourself to be embarrising.

I would say that the worst bands on that list are Athlete, Babyshambles, Coldplay, Dirty Pretty things, Doves, The Fratellis, Kasabian, Keane, Killers and Kings of leon.

I have some other stuff which I think is pretty poor, with a few songs that are exceptions, the best example that springs to mind are Art Brut, who have a couple of songs worth checking out, but on the whole are mediocre.

However, they do all have songs or even whole albums that I like.

The best on the other hand are: -

Belle and Sebastian, Biffy Clyro, Blur, British Sea Power, Catatonia, Cranberries, Echo and the Bunnymen, Grandaddy, Idlewild, The Jam, Joy Division, The La's, Levellers, Lou Reed (Velvet Underground), Manic Street Preachers, My Vitriol, Oasis, Pixies, Porcupine Tree, Pulp, Radiohead, Sigur Ros, Smiths, Stone Roses and Wire.

Some good songs (by the more underrated bands) people should check out: -

Belle and Sebastian - Sleep the Clock Around (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy4L11CHcnU)

British Sea Power - Carrion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZtyJP7Nnw4&mode=related&search=)

Grandaddy - Crystal Lake (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEHwkWyWD0Q)

My Vitriol - Always: Your Way (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo5rP2Bh9t4)

Porcupine Tree - Trains (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjd_l5qu_ew&mode=related&search=) Though Porcupine Tree are not Indie, but rather Progressive Rock

Sigur Rós - Glosoli (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZBYG0DDPJc&mode=related&search=)

[Oiron]

I like Libertines and Kaiser Chiefs a lot! :D

[MiniOswald]

Ive decided we're going to start a movement to come up with a new term to explain all this lot of music, because people are always whinging about things not being the true definition of indie or whatever.

So suggest some new names, or be eaten by a giant invisible horse

[Invader Zim]

The problem with defining indie, is that the meaning changed from being soley based on financial grounds to a genre or sound within the wider field of rock music. Since this adoption of the term for this form of music following certain financial principals in addition to a unique sound, the term has been expanded to include different varients of this sound, to the point where practically any form of softer rock music created post 1979 has been labelled by some as 'indie'. Obviously, if you want to get technical it is not, but it is generally the kind of music that fands of 'indie rock' listen to. So as far as I am concerned the term or definition is so open to interpritation and change that it is impossible tie it down fully. Though if you live in the UK and someone tells you that they are a fan of 'indie rock' then they generally will like music which resembles that made by the Smiths and those bands of the brit-pop era.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

A tremendous portion of "indie" can otherwise be defined as pop, rock, lo-fi, emo, hardcore, punk, new-wave, grunge, electronica, and hip-hop.

[Rockfan]

I find pritty much all indie boaring, it's just really simple, I like my music to be mindnumbingly complicated (dream theater anyone??).

However some of the bands on Invader Zim's list were pritty cool, the more alt rock ang prog group.

Sorry for being a grumpy metal head and crashing your boaring music party.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Dr. [email protected] 03, 2007 08:18 pm
A tremendous portion of "indie" can otherwise be defined as pop, rock, lo-fi, electronica, and hip-hop.
Quite. The term is very much an overlapping one.


I like my music to be mindnumbingly complicated (dream theater anyone??)

I have all their albums as far as I am aware, including the live in Barcelona stuff. However as to your point, there are only a few bands which are actually any good at that.



However some of the bands on Invader Zim's list were pritty cool, the more alt rock ang prog group.

Porcupine Tree?



Sorry for being a grumpy metal head and crashing your boaring music party.

I don't get the charge of 'boring' from a self confessed metal fan; metal has long since become a rather stale (and it has been for a long time) form of music, which only has life in its most progressive elements (see Dream Theatre). Lets face it, metal and hard rock in general is in a complete state at the moment, the only really good metal album I heard in all 2006 was 10,000 days by Tool, and that wasn't as good as their other albums, which kind of sums up metal at the moment - even its more progressive elements.

In short, as a fan of metal, I don't see how we can accuse any other genre of being boring as metal hasn't produced a truly origional since the 90's. At least indie is actually happening again.

[Chris Hiv_E_]

I didnt see anyone mention them but I like Bright Eyes.

[which doctor]

Originally posted by Chris [email protected] 03, 2007 10:22 pm
I didnt see anyone mention them but I like Bright Eyes.
Dear god.

[Rage]

I have been getting into Indie recently. I mostly listen to bands like Ben Folds, Belle and Sebastian, Modest Mouse, Animal Collective, Half-Handed Cloud, Annuals, Sufjan Stevens, and Busdriver (Indie-Hip-hop-jazz)

/,,/
Rock on!

[Rockfan]

Originally posted by Invader [email protected] 04, 2007 12:30 pm

I like my music to be mindnumbingly complicated (dream theater anyone??)

I have all their albums as far as I am aware, including the live in Barcelona stuff. However as to your point, there are only a few bands which are actually any good at that.



However some of the bands on Invader Zim's list were pritty cool, the more alt rock ang prog group.

Porcupine Tree?



Sorry for being a grumpy metal head and crashing your boaring music party.

I don't get the charge of 'boring' from a self confessed metal fan; metal has long since become a rather stale (and it has been for a long time) form of music, which only has life in its most progressive elements (see Dream Theatre). Lets face it, metal and hard rock in general is in a complete state at the moment, the only really good metal album I heard in all 2006 was 10,000 days by Tool, and that wasn't as good as their other albums, which kind of sums up metal at the moment - even its more progressive elements.

In short, as a fan of metal, I don't see how we can accuse any other genre of being boring as metal hasn't produced a truly origional since the 90's. At least indie is actually happening again.
Oh yeah nice, I've only recently be getting into them. Yes your probly right, DT and Opeth and a few others are the only ones that I think do it really well, I admit I love DT's wankfeast solo sections (I wounld't count tool, even thought I love them and am seeing them in a few weeks at Big Day Out Auckland!!!).

Yea Porcupine Tree and also others I like (along the lines of Muse).

Have you heard Mastodon's Blood Mountain, it beats 10,000 Days and is unlike anything else out, I don't concider metal stale at all, sure metalcores on the way out (chugga chugga, hahaha, na I love the classic metalcore bands), but it's just another passing metal trend (Nu-Metal???). Maybe just because of it's obsurity where I live anything new or old seems fresh and different.

However the point I was getting at was that I find Indy boarding because It lacks the intensity I generally need in music. Sure it may have great lyrics and catchy hooks but I'd rather have my face melted by At the Gates or Children of Bodom anyday then sit through generally (stress on that) musos who I concider to be fairly average. Maybe they are goot and just don't show off like members of metal acts do but I say if you've got the skill, flaunt it.

[The Grey Blur]

Bloc Party - Helicopter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvNrsuieMLs)

Sonic Youth - Dirty Boots (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgRY9P3F-HU)

Modest Mouse - Float On (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t4Sp63D_cE)

Some cool videos. I see where you're coming from Rockfan, I'm a big metal fan myself. I enjoy the aggressiveness and intensity of metal but I also appreciate the pleasing sounds and aesthetics of Indie. Aas concerns instrumentation the argument could be made both ways seeing as some extreme metal is extremely basic and some indie song structures are scary tight. Regardless, there's no need to confine yourself to one genre.

[Rockfan]

I don't confine myself, I own jazz, pipeband, folk and many more rock cd's than metal.
Yes Doom Metal = putting hyper little brother to sleep!! :D

[tambourine_man]

i still dont quite understand how you can have "indie" as a musical genre ... and on that subject can anybody explain to me how "lo fi" makes any sense whatsoever as a musical genre..?

but i dont think anybody mentioned pavement, neutral milk hotel, or the magnetic fields so i will right now.

[Pawn Power]

Originally posted by Permanent [email protected] 05, 2007 03:25 pm
Bloc Party - Helicopter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvNrsuieMLs)

Sonic Youth - Dirty Boots (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgRY9P3F-HU)

Modest Mouse - Float On (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t4Sp63D_cE)

Some cool videos. I see where you're coming from Rockfan, I'm a big metal fan myself. I enjoy the aggressiveness and intensity of metal but I also appreciate the pleasing sounds and aesthetics of Indie. Aas concerns instrumentation the argument could be made both ways seeing as some extreme metal is extremely basic and some indie song structures are scary tight. Regardless, there's no need to confine yourself to one genre.
That Modest Mouse video is really annoying.

[Rage]

That Modest Mouse video is really annoying.

That is a great song, but I don't like the video either.



i still dont quite understand how you can have "indie" as a musical genre ... and on that subject can anybody explain to me how "lo fi" makes any sense whatsoever as a musical genre..?

but i dont think anybody mentioned pavement, neutral milk hotel, or the magnetic fields so i will right now.

I really like Neutral Milk Hotel. I have never heard any of the others though. If you don't call them indie, what do you call them?

As far as Lo-Fi goes, it pretty much classifies bands like Sufjan Stevens, Half-Handed Cloud, and Elf Power. I would kinda classify Neutral Milk Hotel as Lo-Fi myself.

/,,/
Rock on!

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Permanent [email protected] 05, 2007 09:25 pm
Bloc Party - Helicopter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvNrsuieMLs)

Sonic Youth - Dirty Boots (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgRY9P3F-HU)

Modest Mouse - Float On (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t4Sp63D_cE)

Some cool videos. I see where you're coming from Rockfan, I'm a big metal fan myself. I enjoy the aggressiveness and intensity of metal but I also appreciate the pleasing sounds and aesthetics of Indie. Aas concerns instrumentation the argument could be made both ways seeing as some extreme metal is extremely basic and some indie song structures are scary tight. Regardless, there's no need to confine yourself to one genre.
All those bands are pretty cool, but I think represent an aspect of Indie I don't like as much as some more UK post-punk orientated stuff and the Brit-pop scene which developed as a result of it in the 90's.

The Chameleons - Monkeyland (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7085vuQe0H8)

The Smiths - How Soon is Now (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVeMbd-UDts)

Echo and the Bunnymen - Killing Moon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRCB9fPLEs4&mode=related&search=) This song has been immortalised by the film Donnie Darko.

Oh yes, and the second worst video in history: -

Echo and the Bunnymen - Bring on the Dancing Horses (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E9mN_Dl1r0&mode=related&search=)

[Hate Is Art]

i still dont quite understand how you can have "indie" as a musical genre ... and on that subject can anybody explain to me how "lo fi" makes any sense whatsoever as a musical genre..?


'Lo Fi' is a comparable to the DIY punk scence (sans the Punk) in which traditional musicianship and high quality recording make way for 'lo fi' recordings, often on analog equipment, and quirkier sounding instruments and lyrical themes.


but i dont think anybody mentioned pavement, neutral milk hotel, or the magnetic fields so i will right now.

Neutral Milk Hotel can easily be seen as Lo Fi, whilst Pavement are what I would consider the godfathers of the scence. Magnetic Fields are brilliant, especially the 69 Love Songs album.

I would only class a band as 'indie' if they are on an independent label and have an independent mind set. The Arctic Monkeys and the Kooks are not Indie. They are shit.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I mentioned Pavement first!

just for the record

[Invader Zim]

The Arctic Monkeys and the Kooks are not Indie. Their shit.

That is such a load of horse shit. The Arctic Monkeys are Indie, they are perhaps the best example of a successful UK indie band since the Smiths.

Get this, they are on domino records, which is an indie label and a famous one at that, comparable to rough trade. They made their first impacts with virtually no radio-airplay via internet cult communities and conquered the indie circuit in that manner. They play music which can only be described as indie in sound, on an indie record label and gained notoriety via word off mouth and internet file sharing. They are indie rock and a good band full stop.

It pisses me right off that just because a band happens to make it big they automatically gain derision from people who, a couple of years earlier (in this case even less), if they were informed enough to have heard them (which I personally was lucky enough to have done) would have been proud to have them in their record collection on the basis that they were ‘underground’ as if that is some kind of badge of honour.


Its all ego masturbation and basically the music equivalent of measuring penis size, the less well known the band the large the e-penis, or in this case the indie-penis. And to be honest it is utter bullshit. The reason that the Arctic Monkeys did well and sold records and rose from humble origins as an internet phenomenon to one of the quickest selling artists in UK history, is not because they are ‘shit’ a ‘pop’ band, had ‘sold out’ or anything like that, but because they are good and catchy, released their record and singles at a time when the indie scene was having a revival and that most of the music that the mainstream public was listening to was diabolical shite which mean that they had no real competition.

So in short, the reason they did well was because they are good, the way British culture was and is and because most of the other big artist of late have been releasing pure unadulterated shit. That does not reflect on their ‘genre’ which is undoubtedly indie rock.

It is all to do with this idea that if you lisen to a popular band you can't actually be into the genre. As if listening to Franz Ferdiand or Razorlight (who are actually shit) means you can't like, or have a realistic opinion on more cultish bands like British Sea Power or The Dead 60s.

The mentality of the indie and alternative scene pisses me off, but then again, to quote Ian brown "bad money dies" and I really fucking do "love the scene".

PS. Pavement were cool.

PPS. This is not so much at rant at you, but at the pretentious indie fan bastards I know (and a version of this fan exists in me as well) that think just because they have a limited edition EP by some shitty post-punk band in the 80's think they know all about Indie rock and that they couldn't possibly be heard listening to Coldplay or Keane, after all that would expose them as being just as susceptible to catchy music as the rest of us and render them just as much conformist pop fans as the rest of us. I’m sorry, but I can’t deal with that, if its good and I like it, its good and I like it. None of this crap that if you like the Chameleons you can’t possibly be seen dead listening to the Killers.

[Djehuti]

Hidden Cameras, great homo-indie.
Broder Daniel, popular swedish indie rock band.
Saint Etienne, I love them.

Also Primal Scream, Stone Roses, Popsicle, Concretes, Elastica, Neds Atomic Austbin, etc. Love!