Overpopulation

[downwiththesickness]

Anybody have any ideas about how to solve overpopulation and scarce resources? I was originally thinking World War 3 but on second thought a plague might be better. Its just hopeless to do management/birth control with the rate of population growth. Whatcha think?

[Janus]

I was originally thinking World War 3 but on second thought a plague might be better.
What the hell? Are you serious? Why is your username downwiththesickness if you want to issue a plague?


Whatcha think?
A lot of this has to do with material distribution and one's ecological footprint rather than the population itself.

Yeah, conservatives are always talking about how overpopulation is caused by third world countries when they ignore the fact that a person from the US or another developed nation has an ecological footprint many times that of someone from Nepal for instance.

[downwiththesickness]

I just think its too hopeless man, I don't know. I even just drifted to this website because of my fucked up life in this fucked up planet ruled by fucked up blockheads. Then you see fucked up overpopulation and less chances of going to another planet. I just figured maybe you commie guys have any ideas given that the fucked up blockheads always thought you was butchers and all.hehe. So what happens if we all drain the planet's resources before you guys even accomplish what you're fighting for? Have you ever thought about it? People have always been like viruses in this planet man. If we were not here in the first place, would the animals have any problems? Don't think so man, I think they'd just be blissfully staring at each other.haha. So you got any suggestions for overpopulation..uhm..er..comrade? hehe

[Janus]

So what happens if we all drain the planet's resources before you guys even accomplish what you're fighting for?
No one here is advocating unsustained development. Like I said, much of the resource problem has to do with the distribution of goods and materials.


I just think its too hopeless man
If everyone thought that way then it would be hopeless. However, there are people out there trying to raise awareness concerning the environment and it seems to be working. People are more conscious of environmental problems now than before.

[Janus]

So you got any suggestions for overpopulation..uhm..er..comrade?
If you must insist. How about birth control, family planning, or sex ed.? A lot of it has to do with the ignorance concerning the issue or the fact that certain practices are banned by religious institutions.

[Led Zeppelin]

Overpopulation is not a problem when you look at it from a world based point of view. Nationally based is another thing, though. But even in terms of nations it's not a big problem. Overpopulated nations don't exist, only overpopulated areas in nations exist. It all has to do with spreading out the main areas where people live.

There are nations where it's a big problem because they only have very limited areas available for living in. Most of these are third world nations, and it's pretty easy to know why. People migrate to areas and settle down where they can have a good life. Economic interest plays a large part in the decision making process. In third world nations you have the most chance of finding a job in the cities, which results in massive migration to the cities from the countryside.

That's why we have overpopulated cities. Economic development takes care of it in due time. Take the example of the advanced capitalist nations. A hundred years ago or so there was massive migration from the countryside to the cities there as well, in due time however, in line with the economic development, the cities got spread out and urbanization occurred on a large scale, which rendered overpopulation a thing of the past. The same will happen in third world nation as they develop economically.

Having said that, I think downwiththesickness has a problem with depression. It's ok, I had the same problem a short time ago, and probably will again in the short future. I suggest just taking a break from it all and thinking about your goal and purpose in life.

[downwiththesickness]

Like I said, much of the resource problem has to do with the distribution of goods and materials.

Cool. Now I wish I'd studied economics harder. Seems like the blockheads are kicking your asses though with MTV and nukes and Discovery Channel and what if you're not able to change the distribution of goods and materials before we overpopulate the planet with crap. Don't you think you should hurry up though? Birth control, sex ed and all that sissy stuff is a pretty loooooooooonnnnnggg way of getting there. Hurry comrade! Give me an AK and umma participate my lazy ass now! hehe J/K. Who's the guy in your pic man(Janus)? He looks kinda sad don't he?

[Janus]

Seems like the blockheads are kicking your asses though with MTV and nukes and Discovery Channel
:blink:


and what if you're not able to change the distribution of goods and materials before we overpopulate the planet with crap
Well, then the miserable conditions would just deteriorate. Overpopulate with crap?


Don't you think you should hurry up though?
Well, countries such as India are trying to limit births just as the PRC has done.


Who's the guy in your pic man(Janus)? He looks kinda sad don't he?
Lu Xun, a famous leftist writer. He is sad because of the overpopulation in the world. :lol:

[downwiththesickness]

Lu Xun, a famous leftist writer. He is sad because of the overpopulation in the world.

Haha. Hey man, how do I earn boxes in this forum? You know under your pic? I only have one and it says companero. Do you have like an awarding ceremony of some sort? Hell, its another topic and sorry for digressin. Do I need to ask someone else here like some master of ceremonies dude? hehe. Umma research about that Lu Xun fella though, maybe if I talk about his life and ideas in this forum am gonn get me some boxes..not bad for a rookie eh? Wait I just thought of something..from what you are saying then overpopulation is really not a problem and we should not worry about it like Taoism says to let everything flow?

[Janus]

Haha. Hey man, how do I earn boxes in this forum? You know under your pic? I only have one and it says companero. Do you have like an awarding ceremony of some sort? Hell, its another topic and sorry for digressin. Do I need to ask someone else here like some master of ceremonies dude? hehe.
It depends on how many posts you have made.


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[C_Rasmussen]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 12:55 AM

So you got any suggestions for overpopulation..uhm..er..comrade?
If you must insist. How about birth control, family planning, or sex ed.? A lot of it has to do with the ignorance concerning the issue or the fact that certain practices are banned by religious institutions.
Yeah dont have kids. In all honesty thats the best plan because without more kids (like we really need anymore, come on) that means that there are no more generations thus causing the population to die out :).

[downwiththesickness]

Wait I just thought of something..from what you are saying then overpopulation is really not a problem and we should not worry about it like Taoism says to let everything flow? Hehe but I know who said your signature though(Janus) I saw it on a friend's shirt. Karl Marx right? The Santa Claus looking dude?

[Janus]

Wait I just thought of something..from what you are saying then overpopulation is really not a problem and we should not worry about it like Taoism says to let everything flow?
I'm not saying that it's not a problem, I'm saying that it's not the kind of problem in which you are envisioning it to be.

There are other factors that go with overpopulation and resource depletion such as one's ecological footprint.


Karl Marx right?
Yes.


Yeah dont have kids.
Are you serious or are you just trying to encourage downwithsickness?

[C_Rasmussen]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 01:25 AM

Wait I just thought of something..from what you are saying then overpopulation is really not a problem and we should not worry about it like Taoism says to let everything flow?
I'm not saying that it's not a problem, I'm saying that it's not the kind of problem in which you are envisioning it to be.

There are other factors that go with overpopulation and resource depletion such as one's ecological footprint.


Karl Marx right?
Yes.


Yeah dont have kids.
Are you serious or are you just trying to encourage downwithsickness?
Actually I was being serious. Dont have kids and overpopulation will stop.

[Led Zeppelin]

Ermmm, did any of you two bother to read my post? Overpopulation is a myth. It's pretty useless trying to solve a problem that doesn't really exist and will go away as part of the natural course of history.

[downwiththesickness]

ecological footprint

:huh: (scratchin head, white stuff fallin)

[Janus]

Try this

Ecological footprint (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_footprint)

You have to take into account the fact that certain people consume or use up more resources than others.

[Si Pinto]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 06:34 AM
Anybody have any ideas about how to solve overpopulation and scarce resources? I was originally thinking World War 3 but on second thought a plague might be better. Its just hopeless to do management/birth control with the rate of population growth. Whatcha think?
Well I don't know about that but I wish some parents had thought twice before propagating sick SOB's like you!!! :angry: :rolleyes:

What a horrible, sick, pseudo-capitalist question that is!!!

There is more than enough food to feed everyone, but a lot of it is sitting in warehouses and markets or being poured down drains because 'sick' capitalists can't get a high enough price for it.

[Janus]

because 'sick' capitalists can't get a high enough price for it.
Or the local governments hoard it for their own uses.

[Si Pinto]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 06:01 PM

because 'sick' capitalists can't get a high enough price for it.
Or the local governments hoard it for their own uses.
;)

I'd sought of counted them in with the 'sick' capitalists.

:D

[Eleutherios]

As Massoud already said, overpopulation is really only a "problem" in the Third World. Look at the population trends in places like Japan and Europe, and you'll find that their numbers are actually declining. There are a number of reasons for the population issues in poorer nations: unavailability of contraceptives, parents who need more children to work the farms, and lack of women's reproductive rights, just to name a few. Ultimately, bringing a few less people into the First World isn't going to do anything; in fact, having children and teaching them to be advocates of social justice would be a step in the right direction.

[Janus]

Ultimately, bringing a few less people into the First World isn't going to do anything
Not exactly. A child from a developed nation has an ecological footprint many times larger than a child from a developing nation. So an American kid can place a much greater strain on resources and the environment than say a Nepalese kid. This levels out the population and birth rate differences in terms of resources and land.

[Eleutherios]

I suppose you're right about that, but the problem in the First World isn't really one of overpopulation as much as it is one of overconsumption.

[Janus]

but the problem in the First World isn't really one of overpopulation as much as it is one of overconsumption.
Yes, because most children can be provided for and do not place as much of a strain on parents and communities as in the developing world.

[Mujer Libre]

Massoud said a lot of what I wanted to say- it's about distribution of resources and unsustainable development. Capitalism makes constant 'growth' seem ike a good thing, even when it results in continued environmental degradation and growing gaps between the rich and poor.

And replacing one kind of coercion (society/men forcing women to have more children) with another (making women stop having children) is fucked. Pretty much every indicator suggests that as women become more empowered they have fewer children. Surely that's a better approach all round?