Fuck The Marines' New "hymn"

[Red Heretic]

The new Marines’ hymn

19 June 2006. A World to Win News Service. An American Marine Corps corporal stars
in a home video posted on a popular public Internet site. It shows him performing
a song he wrote for other Marines at an American attack helicopter airbase in
Iraq. The story is about a soldier who finds an Iraqi young woman in a fast-food
restaurant where he has gone to escape a firefight. She says something to him
about jihad in double-talk. He tells her he can’t understand Arabic but he loves
her anyway, and goes home with her. When they enter the house, her family is in
the living room. Her father and brother say the same words, and they turn out to
be armed.

“So I grabbed her little sister and pulled her in front of me.
As the bullets began to fly
The blood sprayed from between her eyes
And then I laughed maniacally…”

At this point in the video, the singer smiles with great pleasure and his
listeners cheer. Then, he continues, “I blew those little f***kers to eternity.”
The whole audience bursts into applause when he ends, “They should have known they
were f**king with a Marine.” (The four-minute video can be viewed at
www.cair.com/video/marine-hadji-girl.wmv)

The song is disgusting. But the reality is much, much worse.

The video was posted just as the details were coming out about what the US Marines
did in the Iraqi town of Haditha 19 November 2005. The facts were known to US
authorities all the way up to the White House but kept secret until a video of the
bodies was leaked to the media. Then they tried to explain that a 13-man patrol
had overreacted when they came under attack.

You know, just soldiers defending themselves. Sort of like in the song.

What really happened was this: over a period of four to five hours, the Marines
executed 24 people. They went up to a taxi, pulled out the driver and four college
student passengers, and executed them all as they lay on the ground. They went
into a house, found two women, a four-year-old child and four men, and shot them
all in the head at close range. Then the Marines burst into a second house and
murdered five children ages 3-14, two women and an elderly man in a wheelchair.
They killed four more men after that. Two children who survived by hiding under a
bed later told reporters what happened. (See the comprehensive report by half a
dozen New York Times journalists, 17 June)

The Marines are an elite part of the US armed forces who set the standards for the
rest of the soldiers. The infamous “Marines’ Hymn”, the anthem of the US Marine
Corps, starts with the words “From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of
Tripoli”, describing the role of the Marines in the invasions of Mexico and North
Africa early in American history.

This new anthem is not very different in its content. Its title is Hadji Girl. A
hadji is a Moslem who has made a pilgrimage to Mecca. For American soldiers in
Iraq, for whom all Iraqis are the same faceless enemy, it’s a racist, dehumanising
term, like the word “Gooks” American soldiers used to describe all Vietnamese.
Further, all Iraqi women are considered interchangeable as well, girls to be taken
as the spoils of war.

That the Marines in the video all loved the song and seem to feel very happy with
the way it expresses their feelings would be enough to expose the nature of the
American occupation all by itself. These ideas, carefully instilled by their
training and the society that sent them to Iraq, are what make it possible for
them to carry out missions like Haditha in a war against a people.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Moslem?

[YSR]

Moslem?

It was pretty clearly a quote from a news service, not RedHeretic's words. I don't understand why people still spell it this way, but I've seen it in other current news articles.

[Red Heretic]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2006, 05:29 PM
Moslem?
Both spelling "Muslim" and "Moslem" are theoretically correct. The original spelling was Moslem, and if I'm not mistaken, is the most common term used in Great Britain (AWTW is printed by British Maoists).

The word Moslem is still pronounced the same as "Muslim," but since so many Americans can't promounce worth shit, they'd say "Mow-Zlim" which is the arabic word for oppressor. In the US, Muslim is now the predominate spelling for that reason.

Either way, both Muslim and Moslem are correct, as they are merely phonetic spellings of a word that can only be spelling correctly in Arabic.

Kind of like "Mao Zedong" and "Mao Tse Tung."

[Anton]

I agree, fuck the new hymn, and the marines in general

[Sasha Suvorov]

Don't have so much hate for the Marines; true, they are doing the government's dirty work and it gets messy out there sometimes, but in the Big Picture (not criminal actions like Haditha or any number of unreported similar occurrences) they have no choice but to follow orders. Those of you familiar with the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) know that during wartime the penalties for failing to follow orders are a lot harsher than in peacetime- not to mention that if the person in question packs up and leaves in protest it's a charge of desertion during wartime which means a possible firing squad.

It's hard to be a good soldier in a rotten war- so unless you've been there, you might want to cut them some slack. It's a crap war in the first place; they should have never been put in that position.

Me? USMC '81-'84, US Army '85-'92

[Janus]

they have no choice but to follow orders.
They could rebel against those orders. That happened a lot in Vietnam and if whole units do it then there's not a whole lot that can be done.

Also, I found that song to be quite disgusting whether it was a joke or not.

[Raj Radical]

True, but a soldier hasent been shot for desertion since WWII, usually means a long time in the brig.

[Red Heretic]

Well, comrade, we need to realize that this "support the troops" bullshit is in reality a means of the imperialists to make us to "calm down," and more importantly, its a means of preventing any anti-war demonstration from actually disrupting the war.

I mean, with the SS in Nazi Germany, you wouldn't just say "oh, well I support the SS, just not the war," and "I don't think the SS should have been put in that situation."

It's not "I support the rapist, but not the rape." At some level we have to step up some accountability for these horrors.

[Rex]

Personally, I think they shouldn't have put themselves their in the first place.

[Red Heretic]

By the way, has anyone checked out the new movie "Sir, No Sir!" yet?

I just downloaded it off of Torrent Spy here. (http://www.torrentspy.com/torrent/513904/Sir_No_Sir_The_GI_Revolt_avi) You need a BitTorrent client to download it though. It should be availible on DVD soon though.

Anyway, you can check it out at Sir! No Sir! (http://www.torrentspy.com/torrent/513904/Sir_No_Sir_The_GI_Revolt_avi)

[Sasha Suvorov]

Originally posted by Raj [email protected] 30 2006, 05:30 AM
True, but a soldier hasent been shot for desertion since WWII, usually means a long time in the brig.
That's true, but I wouldn't want to be taking that chance just to prove a point. But with what goes on prison a person might be doing themselves a favor by taking a bullet.

Besides, when all is said and done the individual Marine or soldier isn't fighting to 'spread democracy' or 'liberate Iraq' or some such crap- I know from personal experience you fight for your buddies and your own life and nothing else. And, regardless of how you feel about a particular mission or the war in general, Marines don't leave their buddies twisting in the wind. Those who DO are so outcast it's not even funny. right or wrong, that's just the way it is.

When the bullets start flying all ideology goes out the window and it's game on- the politicians can spin it all they want, but the guy in the HumVee or the tank or the foxhole is fighting for his life and not for some pie-in-the-sky idealism.

I wish it were different, but for now that's the mindset of the average serviceman these days- there's just not a cause to unite everyone, unless you count the trumped-up fear of terrorism. As I posted in another thread, it's looking more and more like the Soviet resistance to the German invasion of WW2 was the last time an entire people really sacrificed and pulled together for a cause.

[Janus]

When the bullets start flying all ideology goes out the window and it's game on- the politicians can spin it all they want, but the guy in the HumVee or the tank or the foxhole is fighting for his life and not for some pie-in-the-sky idealism.
Yeah, but what got them in that situation in the first place?


As I posted in another thread, it's looking more and more like the Soviet resistance to the German invasion of WW2 was the last time an entire people really sacrificed and pulled together for a cause.
That's true of many national liberation struggles such as Vietnam or China.

[Gojo]

Well, on one side I really admire marines, their combat readiness and efficiency but on the other hand they are the ultimate capitalist tool for enforcing imperialistic goals for their bosses.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

I think I remember that they actually have an obligation to desert if the war is not based on legal grounds or something like that.

[Janus]

I think I remember that they actually have an obligation to desert if the war is not based on legal grounds or something like that.
What do you mean by legal grounds? Any country could make up legal grounds for war though the legality of it would be questioned elsewhere.

In an unjust and unnecessary war, the entire people should feel obligated to do something rather than just the Marines.

[Raj Radical]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 07:14 PM

I think I remember that they actually have an obligation to desert if the war is not based on legal grounds or something like that.
What do you mean by legal grounds? Any country could make up legal grounds for war though the legality of it would be questioned elsewhere.

In an unjust and unnecessary war, the entire people should feel obligated to do something rather than just the Marines.
I think he meant international law, which the US has no regard for.

[RevMARKSman]

Guess what?
Some fuckwits have made a thread supporting the video.
http://aaotracker.com/thread.php?threadid=140851&page=3&sid=
But what should one expect, it&#39;s America&#39;s Army after all... <_<

[Janus]

I think he meant international law, which the US has no regard for.
What international law is that? Is it in the Geneva Conventions or something?

[Karl Marx's Camel]

I read it on the other forum. I think (merely guessing now because I have halfway have forgotten it) it was if the war is unconstitutional/if the war was based upon lies or something like that. I will check into that.

[Janus]

it was if the war is unconstitutional/if the war was based upon lies or something like that.
So it was implemented in the US after Vietnam and applies to soldiers on an individual basis?

[Raj Radical]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 10:02 PM

I think he meant international law, which the US has no regard for.
What international law is that? Is it in the Geneva Conventions or something?
To paraphrase the bush administration leading up to the invasion (either Bush or Powel).

&#39;The UN and the international community can naturally keep on discussing, but we are going to do whatever we think is right to protect american security and interests. They (the rest of the world) can catch up and become relevent &#39;

[Gobythebear]

As bullshit as the song is it shouldn&#39;t be censored.

[Tekun]

No matter what is used to justify support for state hired killers (US soldiers), the fact remains that a person can reject orders to massacre or destroy on moral grounds

Like Heretic mentioned, as humans (especially as socialists or anarchists) we cannot allow the annihilation of innnocent human by indifferent men who follow orders a la Nazi soldiers
Soldiers are humans, however once they begin following orders, most cease acting like humans and they begin to behave like automatons/droids
When u join the army, u know your gonna take innocent lives
Moreover, when your ordered to kill or attack innocent Iraqi&#39;s, getting shot for disobeying orders would be more decent and humane than following orders and murdering young innocent Iraqi children

There is no excuse when u murder innocent Iraqi&#39;s, no excuse
U cannot use comraderie or "the reality of war" to justify the murder and pillage of Iraq
US Marines have no business in Iraq, and therefore they cannot justly harm anyone in that country
They invaded without reason...


Besides, when all is said and done the individual Marine or soldier isn&#39;t fighting to &#39;spread democracy&#39; or &#39;liberate Iraq&#39; or some such crap- I know from personal experience you fight for your buddies and your own life and nothing else. And, regardless of how you feel about a particular mission or the war in general, Marines don&#39;t leave their buddies twisting in the wind. Those who DO are so outcast it&#39;s not even funny. right or wrong, that&#39;s just the way it is.

If the soldiers there aren&#39;t fighting to spread democracy, what are they doing over in Iraq?
Are they over there to kill Iraqi&#39;s for the fun of it?
If they have no reason why they&#39;re fighting, then why fight-correction-why kill?
You&#39;re killing ppl in defense of your "buddy?"
That&#39;s like saying SS soldiers put Jews in the oven to make life easier for their "buddies"
C&#39;mon man, the stuff your posting doesn&#39;t even make sense to normal human beings
Killing in defense of soldiers who have no business invading a foreing country makes as much sense as American democracy