Africa Raped By Europe

[AfricanMilitant]

What do you Guys know about the rape of Africa by Europe?

[bcbm]

Um... can you be a little more specific? I'd rather not list everything that has happened and everyone involved for the past 500 years...

[Avtomatov]

IMO, all of africa should unite and then industrialize rapidly like the ussr. Then they should defeat america and take back whats theirs, and establish communism.

[Jesus Christ!]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2006, 10:40 PM
IMO, all of africa should unite and then industrialize rapidly like the ussr. Then they should defeat america and take back whats theirs, and establish communism.
A united Africa? Won't be seeing that for a few centuaries.

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

LOL yeah, good luck with that idea. There are way too many tribes within Africa for that to happen.

Read Walter Rodney's 'How Europe Underdeveloped Africa'. I agree that there are serious historical, colonial roots at blame for its underdevelopment. However, we must not overlook the ruthless dictators that plague the continent - eliminating Socialist leaders like Patrice Lumumba. While the poor starve in the streets, the wealthy dictators live comfortably because of American money.

Lord of War is a good movie to watch regarding the arms trade. The African dictator in that movie was written with Charles Taylor in mind.

[EusebioScrib]

IMO, all of africa should unite and then industrialize rapidly like the ussr. Then they should defeat america and take back whats theirs, and establish communism.

This isn't too far from the truth. I believe in the comming decades imperialsits will begin to focus on Africa more than Asia (they are growing tired). So national liberation movements will develop in Africa, and who knows, they may pick up Leninism as their means to industrialize and unite. It is the fastest and most effective way, to date, to create a modern capitalist society/economy.

[chimx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2006, 10:03 PM
What do you Guys know about the rape of Africa by Europe?
i don't really like referring to it as rape.

are you referring though to the race to africa which led up to the first world war? it was caused by england transitioning to a post-industrial economy dominated by financial capital. surplus capital was reinvested outside of developed nations where it was cheaper to do so and had a surplus of materials.

after france was defeated by germany, bizmark also entered germany into the game as a new world power riding the coattails of britain, trying desperatly to play catch up, both in land acquisition and arms.

[afrikaNOW]

Originally posted by chimx+Jun 29 2006, 05:50 AM--> (chimx @ Jun 29 2006, 05:50 AM)
[email protected] 28 2006, 10:03 PM
What do you Guys know about the rape of Africa by Europe?
i don't really like referring to it as rape.

are you referring though to the race to africa which led up to the first world war? it was caused by england transitioning to a post-industrial economy dominated by financial capital. surplus capital was reinvested outside of developed nations where it was cheaper to do so and had a surplus of materials.

after france was defeated by germany, bizmark also entered germany into the game as a new world power riding the coattails of britain, trying desperatly to play catch up, both in land acquisition and arms. [/b]
the rape of afrika started way before the world wars

[bayano]

Originally posted by Knowledge 6 6 [email protected] 28 2006, 09:06 PM
Read Walter Rodney's 'How Europe Underdeveloped Africa'. I agree that there are serious historical, colonial roots at blame for its underdevelopment. However, we must not overlook the ruthless dictators that plague the continent - eliminating Socialist leaders like Patrice Lumumba. While the poor starve in the streets, the wealthy dictators live comfortably because of American money.
thats a good start, to which i would add additional introductory literature including kwame nkrumah (consciencism, neo-colonialism: the final stage of imperialism), amilcar cabral (getting short selected works of his isnt too hard), and franz fanon. those are the basics lit-wise, tho there is always such a collection of literature on the subject. and it is important to recognize most of the corruption, war and dictatorship in africa in the past few decades is a direct result of concerted efforts by europe and the united states, very consciously so, from supporting right wing rebels in left-wing countries to the large number of cia or european-backed coups, to direct military engagements, the debt/neo-liberal deals, all of that usual stuff.

i dont think reading a bunch of leninism is going to find a cure for africa. in the vein of the marxist-leninist pan-africanists like nkrumah or mondlane, or of pan-africanist 'african socialists', i think that internationalism and unity is a must and hopefully isnt that far off in a continent with so many failed states. and the cure for africa isnt to be found in 1917 russia, it just isn't. taking influence from there is one thing, but its an insult to africa to think thats a cure.

also, check out some of walter rodney's works at History is a Weapon (http://www.historyisaweapon.org), there are a number of good sites with other important revolutionary african lit, and i am proud to say that i was one of the driving forces behind the advent of african marxism getting at least some place on marxists.org (http://www.marxists.org)

[chimx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2006, 06:56 AM

the rape of afrika started way before the world wars
oh, you think???

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by chimx+Jun 29 2006, 04:25 PM--> (chimx @ Jun 29 2006, 04:25 PM)
[email protected] 29 2006, 06:56 AM

the rape of afrika started way before the world wars
oh, you think??? [/b]
Yes, to anyone who knows even a small detail about European involvment in African affairs.

[Jesus Christ!]

Originally posted by Enigma+Jun 29 2006, 04:15 PM--> (Enigma @ Jun 29 2006, 04:15 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2006, 04:25 PM

[email protected] 29 2006, 06:56 AM

the rape of afrika started way before the world wars
oh, you think???
Yes, to anyone who knows even a small detail about European involvment in African affairs. [/b]
He was clearly being sarcastic.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Jesus Christ!+Jun 29 2006, 11:03 PM--> (Jesus Christ! @ Jun 29 2006, 11:03 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2006, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2006, 04:25 PM

[email protected] 29 2006, 06:56 AM

the rape of afrika started way before the world wars
oh, you think???
Yes, to anyone who knows even a small detail about European involvment in African affairs.
He was clearly being sarcastic. [/b]
When speaking to a primitavist one can never be sure....

[chimx]

i am not, nor have i ever been a primitivist. i just don't treat them like assholes unlike some people.

this has nothing to do with africa and european imperialism.

[Year: 1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scramble_For_Africa

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_aristocracy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superprofit

Imperialist map of Africa

http://z.about.com/f/wiki/e/en/2/2a/ColonialAfrica.png

http://www.irelandinformationguide.com/images/thumb/a/a7/250px-ColonialAfrica.png

[Janus]

What do you Guys know about the rape of Africa by Europe?
You're going to have to be much more specific concerning European imperialism in Africa. You could create an entire forum for this.

[Red Heretic]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2006, 10:03 PM
What do you Guys know about the rape of Africa by Europe?
Welcome, comrade!

I know the African people need a revolution against US imperialism more than ever! ;)

[Led Zeppelin]

Originally posted by Red Heretic
I know the African people need a revolution against US imperialism more than ever!

What about EU, Chinese, South-Korean, Russian etc. imperialism?

I mean, you're not one of those folks that only support anti-US imperialism, right? I hope not...

Anyways, welcome afrikaNOW. I think I know some things about "the rape of Africa by Europe". For example, I know that it started during the Roman empire, and basically has never stopped ever since. Although it did change "rapist" from time to time. If I recall correctly, after the fall of the Roman Empire, the Islamic horde raided northern Africa and annexed it into one of its calipaths.

I think even before the Roman empire the north-east of Africa was controlled by the Persian empire. So yeah, it was the victim of a lot of imperialist dominance. That's probably why it's one of the least developed continents.

[Jesus Christ!]

Pop Quiz: who was the most brutal to their colony in colonized africa? (which country)

[Led Zeppelin]

Probably the Americans, due to the slavery policy they had running over there.

[Red Heretic]

Originally posted by Jesus Christ!@Jun 30 2006, 08:18 PM
Pop Quiz: who was the most brutal to their colony in colonized africa? (which country)
After seeing what they did to Rwanda, I'm going to guess the Belgians.

[Red Heretic]

What about EU, Chinese, South-Korean, Russian etc. imperialism?

That is a very broad question, and I'm going to take it one country at a time.

The EU is indeed imperialist, and lives off the wealth of the super-exploitation of the third world, however, it is not necessarily an imperialist superpower. That is, it is actually in fact just reaping the benefits of US imperialist exploitation of the rest of the world.

One of the interesting things about the EU imperialists is that even though their economies are developing more rapidly than the US imperialist economy, that is completely irrelevant, because the USA remains utterly unrivalled in its military strength and domination of the entire planet.


Chinese

China is exploited by US imperialism, it is hardly an imperialist country!


South-Korean

While it is true that the South Korean government wants to invade and exploit the people of North Korea, the reality of of the South Korean government is that it is merely what we communists call a comprador ruling class. That is, it is a ruling class that has no real power except through foreign imperialists, and it is a state which exists solely for the purpose of doing their dirty work.


Russian

I'm actually rather fuzzy on Russia. Perhaps it will become an imperialist power again some day, but it isn't now.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by Enigma
When speaking to a primitavist one can never be sure....

Was there a point to this post? Or are you just trolling for a response from the alledged 'primitivst' chimx?

[Led Zeppelin]

Originally posted by Red Heretic
The EU is indeed imperialist, and lives off the wealth of the super-exploitation of the third world, however, it is not necessarily an imperialist superpower. That is, it is actually in fact just reaping the benefits of US imperialist exploitation of the rest of the world.

One of the interesting things about the EU imperialists is that even though their economies are developing more rapidly than the US imperialist economy, that is completely irrelevant, because the USA remains utterly unrivalled in its military strength and domination of the entire planet.


I think I have a different definition of imperialism, namely:

1. the concentration of production and capital has developed to such a high stage that it has created monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life.

2. the merging of bank capital with industrial capital, and the creation on the basis of this “finance capital”, of a financial oligarchy.

3. the export of capital as distinguished from the export of commodities acquires exceptional importance.

4. the formation of international monopoly capitalist associations which share the world among themselves.

Those are what determine an imperialist state. You adhere to that standard when you define the US and EU as imperialist powers, but with China, South-Korea and Russia you start to "bend the rules" a bit. I don't really know why, perhaps you support the current Chinese regime or something?


China is exploited by US imperialism, it is hardly an imperialist country!

Are you serious? China is exploited by it's own capitalists, and foreign capitalists, but the Chinese capitalist class also exploits foreign workers in Africa, South-America and other Asian nations. Finance capital is predominant in China, just like it is in South-Korea, US, EU and other imperialist nations.

Not only does China show internal economic signs of imperialism, but also clear outward signs, like its militarization and imperialist policy towards other nations. I don't really see how you can say that China is exploited by US imperialism like a third world country.


While it is true that the South Korean government wants to invade and exploit the people of North Korea, the reality of of the South Korean government is that it is merely what we communists call a comprador ruling class. That is, it is a ruling class that has no real power except through foreign imperialists, and it is a state which exists solely for the purpose of doing their dirty work.

I don't quite follow. It is an independent nation-state, is it not? That means that it can be imperialist, and it is imperialist, even though they are politically aligned to the Washington line.

A ruling class with such economic power most certainly does have "real power" in the world.


I'm actually rather fuzzy on Russia. Perhaps it will become an imperialist power again some day, but it isn't now.

How isn't it now? Doesn't finance capital rule in Russia? Doesn't monopoly-capitalism reign supreme there?

I think you have an odd view of how the economic system of an imperialist state functions. A nation is not imperialist just because it invades other nations, there is more to it then that.

[renagade]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2006, 10:03 PM
What do you Guys know about the rape of Africa by Europe?
maybe your talking about the presciption drug companies fucking africa with there price for the aids epidemic... i dont know about you guys but in america they never talk about africa and its problems... i know thousands dies dayly from aids and i know there is a civil war going on over there like in sydny and nobody is really doing anything.... i think peace crop is there and pharmacies are rapeing there goverment....
-Yoshi

[left-nut]

Originally posted by Jesus Christ!@Jun 30 2006, 04:18 PM
Pop Quiz: who was the most brutal to their colony in colonized africa? (which country)


Belgium.