South Park Is Anti-progessive [Archive]

Amusing Scrotum

28th June 2006, 05:32

South Park's "lampooning" of various causes. Are they all "progressive"?

Originally posted by TheSpoon+--> (TheSpoon)Al Gore[/b]

To be honest, he's probably a pretty nice guy. However, in no way can he be described as either a socially or economically progressive individual. Indeed, he's not even what one could call a "left-liberal" like, say, Claire Short.

Originally posted by TheSpoon+--> (TheSpoon)Hybrid Cars[/b]

Those little things that do like 60 max? They deserve to be mocked. Heck, I'd take a bastard Ka over one of those....and I can't stand Ka's.

Originally posted by TheSpoon
Anti-Smoking

If you think Neo-Puritanism is a "progressive cause", then I'm gonna' tip my pint over your head and stub my cigarette out in your eye. Seriously, the "yoga gestapo", once again, deserve to me mocked.

Originally posted by TheSpoon
Environmentalists

What kinds of "Environmentalists"? Don't much like them myself, but the Green Party types are at least tolerable. So, perhaps, just perhaps, mocking them ain't all that nice....but I don't really see how attacking "Environmentalism" serves to facilitate various conservative movements. Unless, you are looking at this through a kind of "left-liberal" Democratic Party lens?

Originally posted by TheSpoon
Anti-Gun Activists

Oh, you mean really fucking annoying people who want to use the State to dictate the lifestyles of individual members of society. Fuck 'em, they ain't "progressives"....indeed, on this issue, they are social conservatives.

Originally posted by TheSpoon
San Francisco

This is kinda' lost on me as it's more a question of the significance of a place I know little about. But, are drugs legal in San Fran or something? Certainly, the 49ers, at present, do need to be mocked. <_<

Originally posted by TheSpoon
Democrats

The Democrats are "progressive"? :blink:

In what sense???

Originally posted by TheSpoon
Bill Clinton

Just change the word Democrats in the above sentence to Bill Clinton and you'll have my take on this.

Originally posted by TheSpoon
Socialist programs in America

Like what??? :blink:

Originally posted by TheSpoon
Communists

The only folks they shouldn't mock. Cause communists are the shit! :D

Originally posted by TheSpoon
....the rest was left bashing.

Uh, "left bashing"?! There's only one thing you listed, communists, that I would actually consider a fully legitimate organ for social progress. Everything else is, well, pretty crap. Really, you seem not to have noticed the massive distinction between communism and anarchism and "leftism"....which is a damn shame. :(

[email protected]
....as it is filling young minds with libertarian capitalist propaganda subliminally.

Just put some tin-foil on your head whilst you are watching it. That will likely repel the "subliminal libertarian capitalist propaganda".

Though, on a serious note, libertarian capitalist propaganda is, in my opinion, far better than Statist and conservative capitalist propaganda. After all, your average libertarian capitalist is, socially speaking, pretty close to the social orientation of communists and anarchists....all that needs work on, is their economic bias. Where as those that favour some kind of State sanctioned lifestyle interference, are conservative as fuck.

Comrade Marcel
South Park is more anti-political then having any real political position at all, but the creators are definitely more "liberal" minded then right wing.

In the movie, that French Resistance kid was most definitely a communist.

WUOrevolt

28th June 2006, 05:49

I doubt Matt Stone and Trey Parker mean for their show to be taken seriously. If anyone is affected by the "messages" that the show is sending, their mind is fairly weak. I don't watch the show much, but I will still keep watching it.

Burrito

28th June 2006, 05:59

The show is pretty obviously right-wing. I'm pretty sure the creators are rightists. They are pro-war agenda all the way with their constant mockery of Kim Jong-il, Saddam Hussein, etc. At the same time they seem sensitive to what the neo-cons deem "secular progressives" i.e. gays, etc.

The Simpsons seem centre-left to me.

Comrade Marcel

28th June 2006, 06:20

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2006, 03:00 AM
The show is pretty obviously right-wing. I'm pretty sure the creators are rightists. They are pro-war agenda all the way with their constant mockery of Kim Jong-il, Saddam Hussein, etc. At the same time they seem sensitive to what the neo-cons deem "secular progressives" i.e. gays, etc.

The Simpsons seem centre-left to me.
I don't understand how you've come to that point of view. When Moore interviewed them in Bowling for Columbine, they didn't seem to have right-wing positions at all. I think they described themself as more "left of centre". And just because they mock Kim and Saddam doesn't necessarily make them "pro-war".

Comrade Marcel

28th June 2006, 06:27

Originally posted by Armchair [email protected] 28 2006, 02:33 AM
In the movie, that French Resistance kid was most definitely a communist.
I don't know if I would agree with you on that, as the French kid didn't form La Resistance; but was hired by them as a mercenary. La Resistance was formed by Stan, Kyle and Kenny if I remember correctly. Their main motivation was to save Terrence and Philip, and not anything really political. But it was definately sort of anti-totalitarian pun; there was the intellectual sort of kid that was in La Resistance because he was against the war fever against Kanada.

The movie also does make a point that ameriKans are kind of nutty about censoring sex and language in film, but don't seem to have a problem with violence in film.

Everyday Anarchy

28th June 2006, 06:52

If I remember correctly, Stan carries an anarchist flag with "La Resistance" written on it in the movie.

I just did a Google Image search for a picture of it. This is all I could find: http://us.ent3.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/paramount_pictures/south_park__bigger__longer___uncut/_group_photos/eric_cartman4-th.jpg
It's small, but you can see the red and black flag that they're carrying.

afrikaNOW

28th June 2006, 07:11

Originally posted by Armchair Socialism+Jun 28 2006, 02:33 AM--> (Armchair Socialism @ Jun 28 2006, 02:33 AM) South Park's "lampooning" of various causes. Are they all "progressive"?

Originally posted by TheSpoon+--> (TheSpoon)Al Gore[/b]

To be honest, he's probably a pretty nice guy. However, in no way can he be described as either a socially or economically progressive individual. Indeed, he's not even what one could call a "left-liberal" like, say, Claire Short.

Originally posted by TheSpoon
Hybrid Cars

Those little things that do like 60 max? They deserve to be mocked. Heck, I'd take a bastard Ka over one of those....and I can't stand Ka's.

Originally posted by TheSpoon
Anti-Smoking

If you think Neo-Puritanism is a "progressive cause", then I'm gonna' tip my pint over your head and stub my cigarette out in your eye. Seriously, the "yoga gestapo", once again, deserve to me mocked.

Originally posted by TheSpoon
Environmentalists

What kinds of "Environmentalists"? Don't much like them myself, but the Green Party types are at least tolerable. So, perhaps, just perhaps, mocking them ain't all that nice....but I don't really see how attacking "Environmentalism" serves to facilitate various conservative movements. Unless, you are looking at this through a kind of "left-liberal" Democratic Party lens?

Originally posted by TheSpoon
Anti-Gun Activists

Oh, you mean really fucking annoying people who want to use the State to dictate the lifestyles of individual members of society. Fuck 'em, they ain't "progressives"....indeed, on this issue, they are social conservatives.

Originally posted by TheSpoon
San Francisco

This is kinda' lost on me as it's more a question of the significance of a place I know little about. But, are drugs legal in San Fran or something? Certainly, the 49ers, at present, do need to be mocked. <_<

Originally posted by TheSpoon
Democrats

The Democrats are "progressive"? :blink:

In what sense???

Originally posted by TheSpoon
Bill Clinton

Just change the word Democrats in the above sentence to Bill Clinton and you'll have my take on this.

Originally posted by TheSpoon
Socialist programs in America

Like what??? :blink:

Originally posted by TheSpoon
Communists

The only folks they shouldn't mock. Cause communists are the shit! :D

Originally posted by TheSpoon
....the rest was left bashing.

Uh, "left bashing"?! There's only one thing you listed, communists, that I would actually consider a fully legitimate organ for social progress. Everything else is, well, pretty crap. Really, you seem not to have noticed the massive distinction between communism and anarchism and "leftism"....which is a damn shame. :(

[email protected]
....as it is filling young minds with libertarian capitalist propaganda subliminally.

Just put some tin-foil on your head whilst you are watching it. That will likely repel the "subliminal libertarian capitalist propaganda".

Though, on a serious note, libertarian capitalist propaganda is, in my opinion, far better than Statist and conservative capitalist propaganda. After all, your average libertarian capitalist is, socially speaking, pretty close to the social orientation of communists and anarchists....all that needs work on, is their economic bias. Where as those that favour some kind of State sanctioned lifestyle interference, are conservative as fuck.

Comrade Marcel
South Park is more anti-political then having any real political position at all, but the creators are definitely more "liberal" minded then right wing.

In the movie, that French Resistance kid was most definitely a communist. [/b]
by mocking san francisco, i am guessing they are mocking homosexuals, which is why the poster has a problem with the show.

Comrade Marcel

28th June 2006, 07:21

South Park is definately not a homophobic show. I'm not sure what San Francisco thing he is refering to. Maybe the episode "Smug Alert!"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smug_Alert!

WAL-MARX

28th June 2006, 08:45

The show is seriously an attempt to mock anything with some dignity... and some things without. I don't really think Matt and Trey sit down and sort out just what sort of issues they will and will not touch- I think they probably sit down and think about which issues people think shouldn't be touched, then they put their hands all over them. I mean hell, they've successfully made fun of cripples, retards, cancer, jesus christ, the pope, blacks, jews, latinos, canadians, etc. To be honest all they want to do is piss you off or make you laugh, to them it doesn't matter which. And those of you who think they're conservatives, you'll be happy to know one of them was the creator of the short lived Comedy Central show That's My Bush! which starred the bush family... and made fun of them every episode.

If you're seriously interested in the political affiliation of the guys, I found the answer for one here (http://www.nndb.com/people/590/000024518/)...

Zero

28th June 2006, 08:48

Originally posted by "Armchair Socialism"+--> ("Armchair Socialism")"yoga gestapo"[/b]
I haven't laughed so hard XD. I can just imagine three people in a contoured knot with guns yelling "Give me three hundred situps you lazy fuck!"

"Comrade Marcel"
South Park is definately not a homophobic show.
Dude, have you ever listened to Cartman for more then 3 seconds? He will just randomly say things like "Faggot!" or "You are so gay."

totem23

28th June 2006, 08:57

south park is hilarious. they are also sarcastic about everyhting. the beauty of it is that they dont take anything seirously and it is impossible to say waht the ctreator's views are about anything.

LIGHTEN UP AND ENJOY SOUTH PARK FOR JUST BEING FUNNY

Comrade Marcel

28th June 2006, 09:27

Originally posted by Zero+Jun 28 2006, 05:49 AM--> (Zero @ Jun 28 2006, 05:49 AM)
"Comrade Marcel"
South Park is definately not a homophobic show.
Dude, have you ever listened to Cartman for more then 3 seconds? He will just randomly say things like "Faggot!" or "You are so gay." [/b]
That doens't make it homophobic.

There is also the episode when they all become "metrosexual".

Or episodes where Big Gay Al is thrown out of as a Cub Scouts concillor and the boys try to get him back in, etc. etc.

Raj Radical

28th June 2006, 09:53

Its still hilarious.

Once you learn to make fun of yourself, its all good, in lack of a better term.

Sugar Hill Kevis

28th June 2006, 13:53

but the creators are definatly more "liberal" minded then right wing.

nah, they're conservatives...

they say conservatives piss them off but liberals piss them off even more... I think back in the day it was anti-political

but now it just seems to be really preachy with a conservative message...

EusebioScrib

28th June 2006, 14:18

they say conservatives piss them off but liberals piss them off even more... I think back in the day it was anti-political

That makes them conservative? Frankly, I find liberals more repulsive than conservatives. At least the latter are a bit more upfront and not sneaky bastards.

Anywho, South Park is an awesome show. Still anti-political basically. Being anti-political doesn't mean you can't take a stand on certain issues or mock certain things. That just shows a misunderstanding of anti-politics. It's just good for shits and giggles.

che's long lost daughter

28th June 2006, 15:12

Enjoy the show as it is..nevermind the message it implies. It is meant to make us laugh and not affect our political views

bcbm

28th June 2006, 15:25

They are economic conservatives and social liberals, or, US "libertarians."

Invader Zim

28th June 2006, 18:38

They describe them selves as libertarians.

Dyst

28th June 2006, 18:45

They are economic conservatives and social liberals, or, US "libertarians."

So I've heard as well. They basicly have got no clue about economics, classes, etc., but their politics consists of valuing what in their eyes and situation would mean more freedom.

Pretty idiotic political stance. But better than conservatives in my opinion.

I usually don't give much thought to the political ideas of the creators of something, unless it's very reflective unto the media itself. I like The Simpsons better than South Park, but just cuz I think it's funnier.

Black Dagger

28th June 2006, 19:08

Originally posted by Comrade Marcel+--> (Comrade Marcel) That doens't make it homophobic.[/b]

Actually, yes it does. South Park is one of the biggest contributing factors in the maintenance of 'fag', 'faggot', and homophobic usages of the word 'gay' in the language of young people. Teens fucking love south park, especially boys, and they repeat the shite that comes from the show. I honestly don't 'get' how communists who purport to be anti-homophobia etc. would watch/defend a program that proliferates homophobic language on such a massive scale.

And no, i don't care if that they once had a gay caricature on the show or that the boys were 'metro' for one episode - that has nothing to do with homosexuality at all.

Additives Free
I think my biggest problem with it is, erm, well Racism.

That too.

Forward Union

28th June 2006, 19:17

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2006, 12:55 AM
Al Gore
Hybrid Cars
Anti-Smoking
Anti-Gun Activists
Democrats
Bill Clinton
Socialist programs in America

Nothing wrong with taking the piss out of these. I do regularly, well, maybe not anti-gun activists. But South park also rips the shit out of Jesus.

I think my biggest problem with it is, erm, well Racism.

Angry Young Man

28th June 2006, 19:42

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2006, 03:00 AM
constant mockery of Kim Jong-il, Saddam Hussein, etc. At the same time they seem sensitive to what the neo-cons deem "secular progressives" i.e. gays, etc.

Oh yes, I forget from time to time that they are obviously our comrades, jackass! Just cos they're anti-America doesn't mean they're anti-cap. Let me guess you think Green Day are real punk and that the Labour party are for you? Numpty

Angry Young Man

28th June 2006, 19:51

Originally posted by Zero+Jun 28 2006, 05:49 AM--> (Zero @ Jun 28 2006, 05:49 AM)
Originally posted by "Armchair Socialism"@
"yoga gestapo"
I haven't laughed so hard XD. I can just imagine three people in a contoured knot with guns yelling "Give me three hundred situps you lazy fuck!"

"Comrade Marcel"
South Park is definately not a homophobic show.
Dude, have you ever listened to Cartman for more then 3 seconds? He will just randomly say things like "Faggot!" or "You are so gay." [/b]
He's also the character they want everyone to hate.

Black Dagger

28th June 2006, 20:34

He's also the character they want everyone to hate.

Nice try, but Stan and Kyle use the exact same language, do 'they' want everyone to hate those characters as well?

Palmares

28th June 2006, 21:41

The episode after 9/11 bagging out Bin Laden is one of the most immature things I've ever seen.

BurnTheOliveTree

28th June 2006, 22:51

South Park is anti-everything. If they can take the piss out of it, they will. I'd wager that Matt and Trey are disillusioned by all politics, and just want to mock everybody. Look at Team America. They take the piss out of every viewpoint, there's no discriminating in their choice of victim.

-Alex

Black Dagger

29th June 2006, 12:44

Originally posted by BurnTheOliveTree
South Park is anti-everything. If they can take the piss out of it, they will. I'd wager that Matt and Trey are disillusioned by all politics, and just want to mock everybody. Look at Team America. They take the piss out of every viewpoint, there's no discriminating in their choice of victim.

Yes, okay, but what's your point? They're apolitical nihilists? Immature cynics? Is this meant to be a defence of the show or what?

Raj Radical

29th June 2006, 12:53

They are immature cynics.

Its hard to believe you take them seriously.

Black Dagger

29th June 2006, 13:28

Originally posted by Raj Radical
Its hard to believe you take them seriously.

I don't take them seriously, its their audience and views they legitimise and proliferate that im worried about.

socialistpunk

29th June 2006, 16:23

You got to give it credit though it's hilariously funny and kenny dies in it nearly every episode.

Iroquois Xavier

29th June 2006, 17:55

"Oh My God...They Killed Kenny!" :lol:

clockwork

29th June 2006, 21:44

You guys think too damn much sometimes....South Park it's fun haha I like it, specially that episode when the hippies invade South park and Cartman plays Slayer in a hippie concert to scare them away hahahahahahahaha :lol: That's the best!

It pure sarcasm going on there and I think the creators are very liberal and they make fun of everything. It's true some episodes aren't that good but whatever...it's just a cartoon....

It is definitely a adult cartoon though... :rolleyes:

More Fire for the People

29th June 2006, 21:52

South Park says 'ya racism is bad, but it's okay to let people spread their racist shit.' Fuck South Park. If you like this show, you like racism and sexism and you are no comrade of mine.

Mujer Libre

30th June 2006, 02:42

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2006, 06:45 PM
You guys think too damn much sometimes....South Park it's fun haha I like it, specially that episode when the hippies invade South park and Cartman plays Slayer in a hippie concert to scare them away hahahahahahahaha :lol: That's the best!

It pure sarcasm going on there and I think the creators are very liberal and they make fun of everything. It's true some episodes aren't that good but whatever...it's just a cartoon....

It is definitely a adult cartoon though... :rolleyes:
Have you even read the thread? They're U.S. 'libertarians.' Personally it really shits me to watch anything that so constantly serves up racism, sexism and homophobia. No thanks.

It's like HA said, but I'd take it even further- they think that it's fine to LAUGH at bigotry. Not cool.

Besides, the show is so fucking immature and ignorant. And don't get me started on Team America.

Raj Radical

30th June 2006, 05:45

Again, have a sense of humor and lighten up, this isent subliminal anti-progressive propoganda. Its humor.

People are stupid, but most arent so stupid as to say "hmm cartman says 'fag', he may have something there"

They make fun of everything. Ever watch the episode where Chef's song gets stolen by "Capitalist Records"?

Zero

30th June 2006, 06:25

Hey don't get me wrong, its not a horrible show. I agree that its apolitical, and just anti-opinion. I think its frickin great 99% of the time.

I'm jes sayin that there is always gay bashing, and jew bashing.

Janus

30th June 2006, 08:11

I've heard that the makers are conservative and this definitely comes through in certain episodes. It's one thing to watch it for humor and another to actually be influenced by it.

bezdomni

1st July 2006, 07:52

I believe the creators of the show are libertarians.

Black Dagger

1st July 2006, 19:41

Originally posted by Raj Radical+--> (Raj Radical) Again, have a sense of humor and lighten up, this isent subliminal anti-progressive propoganda. Its humor.[/b]

No, this has nothing do with having 'a sense of humour' - SP humour is a type of humour (and a pretty useless regressive type at that). Not all humour is targeted at white hetero teenage boys - consequently, it's very easy to have a 'sense of humour' without laughing when someone uses 'jew' and 'gay' as an insult or 'fag' as standard phrase. I understand that SP has a cult-following amongst teenage boys, but do you have to watch it so uncritically?

That is what worries me about THIS THREAD. People who claim to be communists talk about how they 'love' a show that is one of the most racist, homophobic on air - it's not as if people have been saying, 'i like south park, but the homophobia really detracts from the show', or 'its funny when its not being racist' - instead, people are just like, 'this show rocks!' And if you disagree it's because you dont have a 'sense of humour', not because you think repeating the word 'fag' 10 times on every episode contributes to a homophobic norm in a homophobic society.

Originally posted by Raj Radical+--> (Raj Radical)
People are stupid, but most arent so stupid as to say "hmm cartman says 'fag', he may have something there"[/b]

No, but 'people are stupid' (and by people i assume you're talking about male teens) enough to gleefully call me a 'fag' like they were telling me the time of day or remark constantly how inanimate objects, events and non-gay people are 'gay' - SP just feeds this homophobic shit, and most people in this thread havent given it a single thought - fucking depressing.

Raj [email protected]
They make fun of everything. Ever watch the episode where Chef's song gets stolen by "Capitalist Records"?

So? How does that make homophobia, racism, sexism etc. acceptable? Because they perpetuate prejudiced ideas and language that covers a broad range of people?

zero
I'm jes sayin that there is always gay bashing, and jew bashing.

And normalising/legitimising this behaviour is progressive how?

Dru

3rd July 2006, 16:10

one of the creators is jewish, so how can this be racist?

ZeroPain

3rd July 2006, 17:10

I honestly dont think that any word should be off-limits, if you take the meaning away its nothing.

No word is inherently raceist or homophobic only people....

bezdomni

3rd July 2006, 18:10

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 02:11 PM
I honestly dont think that any word should be off-limits, if you take the meaning away its nothing.

No word is inherently raceist or homophobic only people....

I honestly dont think that any word should be off-limits, if you take the meaning away its nothing.
It's awfully unfortunate that words inherently have meanings.

No word is inherently raceist or homophobic only people....
Quoted for ignorance.

If I call a gay person a "fucking faggot", I am being homophobic through my language. While context is extremely important, the word itself is usually homophobic enough on its own.

razboz

3rd July 2006, 18:39

one of the creators is jewish, so how can this be racist?

Israel is a Jewish state. We can all see how un-racist they are...

Invader Zim

3rd July 2006, 19:15

Jesus Christ!

Do people not understand what South Park does? It parodies people with certain views and characteristics.

It parodies the homophobic attitudes of school kids and largely portrays such attitudes in a very negative light. The reason why it is funny is not because homophobia is in anyway funny, but because of how ridiculous light in which such views are portayed.

Its called 'Satire', a term I suggest many of you look up.

Black Dagger

3rd July 2006, 19:46

Originally posted by Engima+--> (Engima)It parodies the homophobic attitudes of school kids and largely portrays such attitudes in a very negative light. The reason why it is funny is not because homophobia is in anyway funny, but because of how ridiculous light in which such views are portayed.

Its called 'Satire', a term I suggest many of you look up.[/b]

Sorry, but i think this is a very naive position.

Satire is not meant to reproduce the behaviour that is being satirised, well at least not good satire IMO. South Park on the other hand, does this on a massive scale, ausing words like 'fag', 'faggot' and 'gay' has become so common that it is cliche, South Park only reinforces this trend. Regardless of what you may think the enlightened creators of south park intend, and let's face it, of course these guys have progressive motivations behind everything they do, they are committed communists after all, it's quite clear that their show is not successful in discouraging racist or homophobic attitudes, it just normalises it further for people with these views.

Dru

one of the creators is jewish, so how can this be racist?

:lol:

Yup, because jewish people are impervious to racism? :wacko:

ZeroPain

3rd July 2006, 20:14

I honestly dont think that any word should be off-limits, if you take the meaning away its nothing.

It's awfully unfortunate that words inherently have meanings.

Language is all about context, individual words can mean more then one thing.

No word is inherently raceist or homophobic only people....

Quoted for ignorance.

If I call a gay person a "fucking faggot", I am being homophobic through my language. While context is extremely important, the word itself is usually homophobic enough on its own.

:blink:

How?

"Jew" is not an anti-semetic word but "Fucking Jew" would be anti-semetic.

You can never prove that a word is ever totaly raceist or homophobic, context rules that feild.

Invader Zim

3rd July 2006, 20:18

Sorry, but i think this is a very naive position.

I disagree, I think it is you who is being incredibly naive.

Satire is not meant to reproduce the behaviour that is being satirised,

Since when? One of the best examples is Spinal Tap and that mercilessly parodies the behaviour and outlook of fading rock stars.

South Park on the other hand, does this on a massive scale, ausing words like 'fag', 'faggot' and 'gay' has become so common that it is cliche, South Park only reinforces this trend.

No, South Park mocks that trend. The characters which use such terminology are always being portrayed in a negative light. South Park mercilessly rips into homophobes, racists and other bigots.

Regardless of what you may think the enlightened creators of south park intend, and let's face it, of course these guys have progressive motivations behind everything they do, they are committed communists after all, it's quite clear that their show is not successful in discouraging racist or homophobic attitudes, it just normalises it further for people with these views.

Don't try and patronise me, especially when you don't know what you are talking about.

Black Dagger

3rd July 2006, 20:20

Originally posted by ZeroPain+--> (ZeroPain)I honestly dont think that any word should be off-limits, if you take the meaning away its nothing.[/b]

So you dont think it should be off limits for the hetero members of this forum to refer to me and other queers as 'faggots' in their posts?

Originally posted by ZeroPain+--> (ZeroPain)
You can never prove that a word is ever totaly raceist or homophobic, context rules that feild.[/b]

Okay, but south park uses homophobic/racist language in homophobic/racist contexts, like when something is 'gay' or when they call someone a 'fag', it's not something like two queer characters talking to each other. There is no way around it, south park is not a progressive program.

Originally posted by Engima
Since when? One of the best examples is Spinal Tap and that mercilessly parodies the behaviour and outlook of fading rock stars.

When i talk about not reproducing the behaviour i refer to reproducing for eg. homophobia (i should have said attitudes not behaviour, sorry) and homophobic attitudes, not merely 'acting' homophobia, when you're supposed to be satirising it. Do you really think that the majority of south parks audience is not homophobic? That would go against the social trend, not only is homophobia extremely common, it is from my experience much more common in hetero teen males who make up the majority of the shows audience..

Originally posted by engima
Don't try and patronise me, especially when you don't know what you are talking about.

What does this even mean?

Why don't i know what im talking about? You havent provided any support for this accusation.

Do you think that the creators of south park have progressive motivations behind all their supposed 'satire' or dont you? I.E. that they're not racist, homophobic, sexist at all?

Originally posted by Engima
No, South Park mocks that trend.

How? The majority of their audience is a part of that trend.

Originally posted by enigma

The characters which use such terminology are always being portrayed in a negative light. South Park mercilessly rips into homophobes, racists and other bigots.

Stan, and Kyle are always being portrayed in a negative light'?

Originally posted by Red Polak
and we wonder why people say communists have no sense of humour.

There are times when South Park can be funny, but their abortive attempt to satirise homophobia is not one that i personally appreciate, i dont think that satirising homophobia is even a motivation they have.

Dominant forms of humour reflect and reinforce prejudiced bourgeois cultural-moral values (hegemony) - which are not values that tend to make my sides split. Progressive humour, revolutionary humour, anti-capitalist humour, anti-racist humour and so forth is not the norm (unfortunately).

Red [email protected]

I would hardly say the show is totally homophobic. Sure, some episodes are, but then others, like that one, totally contradict that.

A token effort to not seem completely homophobic is not convincing given that nearly every other episode uses homophobic language uncritically and in contexts that only reinforce common behaviour.

That the creators of the show dont see the connection between having their main characters consistently use 'gay' as a negative adjective or having hetero characters call people 'fags'/'faggots' (with no sense that it is bad for the characters to do so) AND perpetuating homophobic attitudes is quite clear - but that does not excuse them, and it most certainly does not make the show progressive in any way.

Red Polak
I would hardly say the show is totally homophobic. Sure, some episodes are.

So it's not 'totally homophobic', just a bit?

Sometimes?

How are these time different to when the show apparently satirise homophobia?

The episode with stan's dog and big gay al in the scouts are not about satirising homophobia, those are meant to be anti-homophobic, so when is the show being homophobic?

And how are these times different to when it is meant to be satirising homophobia?

Red Polak

3rd July 2006, 20:32

and we wonder why people say communists have no sense of humour. :rolleyes:

What's all this about it being pro-capitalist? Not really - there's the Walmart episode.

Yes, it's occasionally homophobic, but also racist (against ALL races), anti-semitic, anti-capitalist, anti-communist, pro-drugs, anti-drugs, anti-rightwing, anti-religion etc etc etc

It's anti-pretty much everything, but it's COMEDY not meant to be taken seriously. Hell, I reckon it'd be impossible to take it totally seriously because it even contradicts itself sometimes.

Red Polak

3rd July 2006, 20:37

Originally posted by Black [email protected] 3 2006, 06:21 PM
Okay, but south park uses homophobic/racist language in homophobic/racist contexts, like when something is 'gay' or when they call someone a 'fag', it's not something like two queer characters talking to each other. There is no way around it, south park is not a progressive program.

When i talk about not reproducing the behaviour i refer to reproducing for eg. homophobia (i should have said attitudes not behaviour, sorry) and homophobic attitudes, not merely 'acting' homophobia, when you're supposed to be satirising it. Do you really think that the majority of south parks audience is not homophobic? That would go against the social trend, not only is homophobia extremely common, it is from my experience much more common in hetero teen males who make up the majority of the shows audience..
You're forgetting the "big gay animal sanctury" episode.

Stan kicks out his dog for being gay, ie. he's homophobic
but then the dog goes to big gay Al's big gay animal sanctury and sees all the other gay animals and that it's ok to be gay
Stan really misses Sparky and goes to look for him
In the end all the people get back their gay pets and have learn to accept them and the people are no longer homophobic

I would hardly say the show is totally homophobic. Sure, some episodes are, but then others, like that one, totally contradict that.

ZeroPain

3rd July 2006, 21:40

So you dont think it should be off limits for the hetero members of this forum to refer to me and other queers as 'faggots' in their posts?

I don't and I see no reason why I should.
If context is not taken into account then its simply censorship.

There is no way around it, south park is not a progressive program.

Its progressive because they do not censor themselfs to any politicaly correct standards.

Invader Zim

3rd July 2006, 22:00

When i talk about not reproducing the behaviour i refer to reproducing for eg. homophobia (i should have said attitudes not behaviour, sorry) and homophobic attitudes, not merely 'acting' homophobia, when you're supposed to be satirising it.

I don't agree that they do. If you watch some of the episodes specifically about homophobic attitudes, the attitude of homophobes is shown to be ridiculous while homosexuals are shown to be the only sensible individuals in the entire scenario.

What does this even mean?

It means exactly what it says, I don't think you have seen enough or understood enough to get the jokes and attitudes which the creators mock. Had you, you would have seen and understood you would see that South Park completely mocks homophobes.

that they're not racist, homophobic, sexist at all?

Thats the jist of it.

How? The majority of their audience is a part of that trend.

Hmm, well the vast majority of people I know who make up the audience base are university students. The vast majority of whom are very much against homophobia, racism etc.

Stan, and Kyle are always being portrayed in a negative light'?

When they say or do stupid things yes. But on the whole they do not use homophobic slurs.

Burrito

4th July 2006, 05:03

Originally posted by "Leon's littlun"

constant mockery of Kim Jong-il, Saddam Hussein, etc. At the same time they seem sensitive to what the neo-cons deem "secular progressives" i.e. gays, etc.

Oh yes, I forget from time to time that they are obviously our comrades, jackass! Just cos they're anti-America doesn't mean they're anti-cap. Let me guess you think Green Day are real punk and that the Labour party are for you? Numpt

What in heavens are you talking about, ya flaming troll monkey!?

Comrade Marcel

4th July 2006, 08:50

Originally posted by Black Dagger+Jun 28 2006, 04:09 PM--> (Black Dagger @ Jun 28 2006, 04:09 PM)
Originally posted by Comrade [email protected]
That doens't make it homophobic.

Actually, yes it does. [/b]
No, that's your opinion and POV. I'm sorry but I disagree that cartoons dialoging with each other is homophobic. The language may be homophobicish, but the question to me is whether or not it produces hatred, hostility and fear towards Queers. IMO that's not the aim or goal of the show, therefore I wouldn't call it homophobic.

South Park is one of the biggest contributing factors in the maintenance of 'fag', 'faggot', and homophobic usages of the word 'gay' in the language of young people.

I think this is just more of your persynal POV. I highly doubt you could prove this as factual.

Teens fucking love south park, especially boys, and they repeat the shite that comes from the show.

Anyone who repeats things they see on T.V. blindly is a fucking idiot, for one thing. For another, I persynally think that this is more likely just the general language of teens. It is more likely that South Park is actually simply imitating that which already exists rather then starting the trend.

I have four kids under the age of 10, two boys and two girls who all watch SP regularly. None of them repeat things from the show, nor do they talk like that. Homophobia is frowned apon.

On the other hand, I have sister-in-laws 13-18 and a brother-in-law who is twelve who call each other, me and in-animate objects "fag", "gay", "queer" etc regularly. The boy watches SP on occasion and the girls don't watch it at all. Hardly a scientific anlysis or statistic - I know - but I think it does a good job of negating your claim, unless you can produce some factual evidence to support it.

I honestly don't 'get' how communists who purport to be anti-homophobia etc. would watch/defend a program that proliferates homophobic language on such a massive scale.

Because IMO the show produces an overall friendly view towards the Queer community, rather then a hostile one. The show is not politically correct, and as communist we can criticise reactionary things on a regular basis. It doesn't mean we can't laugh at satire, even if it is a bit reactionary. Life would certainly be sterile. I work a fucking night shift from 11:30 PM to 7:30 AM stacking groceries for minimum wage, on my feet constantly and so when I relax I like to watch T.V. and have a laugh. Most working class people do.

And no, i don't care if that they once had a gay caricature on the show or that the boys were 'metro' for one episode - that has nothing to do with homosexuality at all.

Actually, I mentioned two episodes, but there is much more. There has never been an episode of SP were Queers where treated as "bad people" that I can ever remember, and most of the time homosexuality is defended, such as the episode when they try to defend big gay al, or the episode where Kyle's dog is gay.

Additives Free
I think my biggest problem with it is, erm, well Racism.

That too.

Actually, I don't find the show to be particularly racist at all. Reading the morning paper is far more full of racism then anything in SP. Also, the episode where Natives wanted to destroy SP to build a casino came on at a perfect time for what was happening in Caledonia, Ontario.

Again, SP is hardly politically correct. It's satire and you can either laugh at it or not.

Dru

4th July 2006, 21:18

this forum is full of fags, man up

Zero

4th July 2006, 22:38

Go away homophobe, we don't enjoy your kind around here. Maybe you'll enjoy the omggaysaretakingmyicecream.com/forum.

Invader Zim

5th July 2006, 00:56

Originally posted by Mujer Libre+Jun 30 2006, 12:43 AM--> (Mujer Libre @ Jun 30 2006, 12:43 AM)
[email protected] 29 2006, 06:45 PM
You guys think too damn much sometimes....South Park it's fun haha I like it, specially that episode when the hippies invade South park and Cartman plays Slayer in a hippie concert to scare them away hahahahahahahaha :lol: That's the best!

It pure sarcasm going on there and I think the creators are very liberal and they make fun of everything. It's true some episodes aren't that good but whatever...it's just a cartoon....

It is definitely a adult cartoon though... :rolleyes:
Have you even read the thread? They're U.S. 'libertarians.' Personally it really shits me to watch anything that so constantly serves up racism, sexism and homophobia. No thanks.

It's like HA said, but I'd take it even further- they think that it's fine to LAUGH at bigotry. Not cool.

Besides, the show is so fucking immature and ignorant. And don't get me started on Team America. [/b]

Personally it really shits me to watch anything that so constantly serves up racism, sexism and homophobia. No thanks.

I challenge you to find one incident, just one incident, when South Park is racist.

Should you succeed, I will admit here and now that I was wrong.

Should you fail, which you inevitably will, you must alter your signature line to: -

"I am a moron who doesn't know what parody or satire is."

tehpevis

1st November 2008, 23:28

The episode after 9/11 bagging out Bin Laden is one of the most immature things I've ever seen.
the "Osama bin Laden has Farty Pants" episode? that was the single crappiest episode of south pard I have EVER seen.

Given the episode's general message and cheesiness unique for a south park episode around that time, I think there was some intervention by Big Business in there.
just like everything in america right after 9/11

tehpevis

1st November 2008, 23:31

"Oh My God...They Killed Kenny!" :lol:
YOOOOOOOOOOOOU BAAAAAASTARDS!!!!

who... Who killed kenny?

umm... they did.

BUT, WHO'S THEY?

umm... i dunno, but... they're Bastards.

tehpevis

2nd November 2008, 00:10

I, personally, think South Park is a pretty damn good Show. I never try to be too serious about it, especially to the extent of donning ye olde Tinfoil Hat to block out all the "Subliminal Capitalist-Libertarian Propaganda" (btw, I largely associate myself as libertarian-socialist.)

South Park reached it's peak in 1999. Since then, it has slowly fallen into a 3 1/2-star, self-cleaning Shitter

gorillafuck

2nd November 2008, 01:14

I used to like it, but now it bothers me and isn't amusing anymore.

I prefer the Simpsons (who seem center-left to me, with their portrayal of the rich, police, military recruiters, the government, corporations, etc.). They also had an episode where they gave obvious support for gay rights.

Vanguard1917

2nd November 2008, 01:16

I watched South Park closely over the years to see what this popular nightime television show lampoons.

Al Gore
Hybrid Cars
Anti-Smoking
Environmentalists
Anti-Gun Activists
San Francisco

Lol, i'm a big fan of the show, especially when they take the piss out of those things in your list. The one where they lampoon Al Gore - 'ManBearPig' - is one of the funniest things i've ever watched. The one where Cartman tries to 'rescue' Kyle from San Francisco - where middle class snobs sniff their own farts, smugly drive hybrid cars and go on about how superior they are - is almost equally funny.

Pirate Utopian

2nd November 2008, 01:38

I loved the recent breast cancer episode, fell of my chair laughing.

"APOLIGIZE?!, that's not what I said you dumb *****!"
- "Yes you did!, you just stood there and said you wanted to apoligize"
"Oh Wendy, such a desperate attempt to get of it."

atheist_anarchist

2nd November 2008, 01:47

I don't think that they are slamming these things such as communism, its more in a way that Stephen Colbert does in The Colbert Report, it sort of mocks the people that have a true anti-communistic, racist, etc. mindset. It is usually Cartman that is doing the mocking of these things and his role in the show is to be an asshole. Anyway T.V. shows shouldn't be taken seriously in the first place.

tehpevis

2nd November 2008, 04:06

It's been going downhill especially since Matt Stone & Trey Parker are now too damn lazy to do any of the voices

What The Fuck? Principal Victoria dosen't sound like Sarah Palin anymore!!!

there was also the one awhile back where they broke a beaver dam & flooded the town
Kyle talking to Stan
OK, so global warming didn't destroy the dam?
No.
Then, what did? Terrorists?
No
George Bush?
no.
Communists?
no.
Chinese Radicals?
nope.
Cartman?
sorta.

They just make fun of everything, communism included. The show originally seemed to have some leftist leanings, but now matt & trey been corrupted by money & don't even work on the show anymore.

LOLseph Stalin

2nd November 2008, 06:52

My kids like the show, I find it funny, so I have no problem with it. You have to educate yourself with politics and at the same time have a sense of humour. My kids aren't going to learn anything great from TV or school so I have to educate them. That's why I buy them Anne Frank, Einstein and books about the World Wars when they come up in the book orders. I'm also lucky enough to live in Toronto where I can get kids books from China and USSR in English, which promote more socialist ideals.

That's good. Gotta get them early before the Capitalists do. lol
I try to educate my friends and such, but they never listen. :(

Dóchas

2nd November 2008, 20:53

if you are that easiley put off by a tv programme how are you gonna go up against people in reality when they challenge your beliefs in the real worl not night time tv?

Post-Something

3rd November 2008, 01:14

Isn't the point of South Park that it's based in a Redneck town and it's an attack on how backwards they can be? I mean, like the hippy episode.

tehpevis

3rd November 2008, 14:08

Isn't the point of South Park that it's based in a Redneck town and it's an attack on how backwards they can be? I mean, like the hippy episode.
Very much so.

Revy

3rd November 2008, 20:25

I'm by no means a fan of Al Gore, but I thought the episode making fun of his global warming views was VERY immature and unfunny. Climate change is very much real, not like "manbearpig". Obviously this is in accordance with their Libertarian views. Same as Penn & Teller. Penn & Teller have some good episodes, but some of it is Libertarian crap attacking economically left positions, in their episode on the anti-war movement they were talking about ANSWER's socialist politics and said that Hitler was a socialist.

IAmLeviathan

4th November 2008, 00:35

ManBearPig was one of my favourite episodes, purely because it made me laugh. I think it was more a piss-take of Al Gore than the issues he was talking about, perhaps a little misguided though. I think when South Park goes for Left Wing targets, its to give the programme some kind of balance because i think the Right gets a harder time off them.

But basically i think one of the posters on page one who said that South Park is anti-political had it bang on.

I think it should go back to just being funny again - anyone who looks to South Park for their politics really shouldnt be thinking about politics. Season 10 (or 8, cant remember) got a bit up itself with "messages".

Does anyone know when its going to be back on British terrestrial TV? or at least on Freeview? its not been on C4 for years and ive had to start downloading...

Revy

4th November 2008, 09:35

I'm all for making fun of Al Gore, since I can't stand him.

But after that episode, everyone brought up "manbearpig" in any discussion about climate change. It helped to support the connection between Al Gore and the anti-climate change movement. I don't think that Al Gore helped one bit. He is a very self-absorbed person, and he does not know how to make a real documentary. You don't do a slideshow and film it and call it a masterpiece.

IAmLeviathan

4th November 2008, 10:25

to be fair i dont think he did make the documentary did he? Wasnt it just an existing slide show presentation that someone decided to film, then the director embellished it a bit to try to make it a bit more cinematic?

It was boring though - David Attenborough kicks his ass.

redSHARP

4th November 2008, 23:17

it jumped the shark (look up the term)

Bear MacMillan

5th November 2008, 00:44

It used to be funny, but now I can hardly watch the show anymore because of the gimmics they use and because it's become far too preachy for my liking.

mykittyhasaboner

5th November 2008, 01:11

south park is great. i nearly shit my pants when they portrayed god as an ugly rat (i think mixed with a hippo or something). :laugh:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/lilbrocool/316_deity.gif

tehpevis

5th November 2008, 02:56

I think it's an all-powerful, wise Hippo-Monkey-Furby-Rat

mykittyhasaboner

5th November 2008, 03:41

I think it's an all-powerful, wise Hippo-Monkey-Furby-Rat
sounds like god to me. :D

Trystan

5th November 2008, 06:11

South Park just takes the piss out of everything. Name me one thing they've attacked and I can assure you they probably attacked its opposite.

Patchd

5th November 2008, 07:10

Your thoughts?
I think you should get a life. Don't diss South Park, its awesome like.

You're over analysing it, its nerdiness to the extreme. FFS, its a cartoon programme which I haven't noticed to hold any political affiliation as such, its just there to take the piss. Unless you have a psychological problem that hinders you from not being able to understand sarcasm or humour, then I simply suggest you leave your house and your books for one minute, go outside, and just breathe some of that fresh air (of course, it depends on where you live, if you live in London, you'll probably have to travel a fair bit to get some nice air).

the "Osama bin Laden has Farty Pants" episode? that was the single crappiest episode of south pard I have EVER seen.

I see what you did thar.

tehpevis

5th November 2008, 14:07

South Park just takes the piss out of everything. Name me one thing they've attacked and I can assure you they probably attacked its opposite.
Steven Spielberg and George Lucas

Foldered

6th November 2008, 08:06

Haven't payed too much attention to the entire discussion, but I would argue that through their surface parodies and bashing of leftism, etc, they are being progressive. They show the ridiculousness of certain attitudes amongst Americans and the world. Satire is a very powerful tool.
And Palachinov, it is never unfruitiful to analyze popular culture and its implication and impacts on the masses of people. Sarcasm and humour are used by the creators to send a message; a message which we are debating as to whether is progressive or anti-progressive.

tehpevis

7th November 2008, 18:20

I think it's Neither; they just tend to be really Preachy sometimes.

They were mocking themselves for this in the 2 Family Guy/Terrorists/Cartoon Wars episodes with the gas station guy saying: "Yeah, I know Family Guy is just joke after joke, but I like that! At least it dosen't get all Preachy & up it's own ass with Messages."

redguard2009

8th November 2008, 07:26

They also took a really good stab at Scientology, don't forget that. For all their libertarianism, I respect them for equating Scientology to child rapists.

Foldered

8th November 2008, 07:40

They also took a really good stab at Scientology, don't forget that. For all their libertarianism, I respect them for equating Scientology to child rapists.
Definitely.

Patchd

8th November 2008, 15:10

And Palachinov, it is never unfruitiful to analyze popular culture and its implication and impacts on the masses of people. Sarcasm and humour are used by the creators to send a message; a message which we are debating as to whether is progressive or anti-progressive.
Fair enough, this sort of critique isn't my strong point, so each to his own I guess. :D

Agrippa

8th November 2008, 15:50

Al Gore

Genocidal capitalist

Hybrid Cars

Capitalist green-washing of ecocidal technology

Anti-Smoking

Irrelevant American liberal hobby-horse.

Environmentalists

"Environmentalists" a.k.a. Social Democratic reformers and green-washers

Anti-Gun Activists

Enemies of the workers

San Francisco

Bastion of middle-class hedonism

Democrats

Capitalist political party, need I say more?

Bill Clinton

Genocidal capitalist

Socialist programs in America

"Socialist programs" a.k.a. capitalist bio-politics

Communists

I don't recall South Park mocking "communists"

South Park, like all television shows, is moronic. But at least it's a break from the cheesy, ham-hearted liberal commentary of Family Guy and The Simpsons. It's obvious why South Park's political agenda could be interpreted as right-wing. For example, during the WGA strike they were the only show to mock the WGA rather than the network bosses, which I'm sure right-wingers appreciated, but any real communist will also celebrate the mockery of labor bureaucracy.

Pirate Utopian

8th November 2008, 15:59

Bastion of middle-class hedonism
You got something against middle-class hedonism?

Agrippa

8th November 2008, 16:34

On a personal level, I do.

People can be as hedonistic as they want as long as they don't exploit others in the process.

Drace

9th November 2008, 01:56

Foldered

10th November 2008, 03:36

Fair enough, this sort of critique isn't my strong point, so each to his own I guess. :D
I'm an English major; this is what I do. :blushing:

Their show might have leftist ideas, but I vaguely recall one of them being quite conservative/right leaning. Something to look into if you're interested, I'm too lazy to right now.

Agrippa

10th November 2008, 07:11

I was actually thinking the South Park creators had leftist ideas >_>

What specifically did they bash on?
Example?

From the little that I remember , they have made fun of Western culture and American politics.

In one episode, entitled "ManBearPig", Al Gore is portrayed as being obsessed with proving the existence of a Bigfoot-like monster of the same name, the obvious insinuation being that concern over climate change is similarly delusional

In another episode, (I don't know the name) one of the child characters chastises a "Leftist", insisting there's no proof of global warming. (The child character is the intended voicee of reason, not the "Leftist")

In another episode, members of PETA are portrayed as bestialitists interested in concieving hybrid children with animals.

Another episode entitled "Two Days Before the Day After Tomorrow", aired shortly after Hurricane Katrina, was about a devastating flood in the town of the show's setting. It portrays characters irrationally blaming FEMA. This was the standard line of the right wing of the mainstream media after Katrina, that anyone who believed agents of the state held moral culpability for Hurricane Katrina were playing the "blame game". This episode also takes a shot at global warming, once again insinuating that those concerned about it have no scientific basis for their concerns.

Most prominantly was the recent film "Team America: World Police", written and directed by the creators of South Park. The film mocks American jingoism, but the ultimate moral of the film is that the u.s. is the lesser of two evils in comparison to Kim Jong Il and other "assholes". As the protagonist of the film explains in a tasteless monologue, the u.s. military are "dicks" and opponents of the Iraq war are "pussies" and even though "dicks fuck pussies", they also "fuck assholes" and are thus a nessecary aspect of the film. (The fact that u.s. state terrorrism is appropriately likened to sexual abuse is an unintended implication of the film)

synthesis

10th November 2008, 10:30

To me, South Park satirizes people's detachment from reality. It establishes the basis for people's core beliefs, then ridicules the self-righteousness with which people try to force those beliefs on others.

tehpevis

10th November 2008, 14:09

Their show might have leftist ideas, but I vaguely recall one of them being quite conservative/right leaning. Something to look into if you're interested, I'm too lazy to right now.
Probably Cartman, since he's the token Nazi

Redmau5

12th November 2008, 00:00

I like the show. In fact, it's really the only show I make sure to watch when a new episode is aired.

The recent episode on Obama was brilliant.

tehpevis

12th November 2008, 01:30

yea lol when he was really an elite international jewel thief

Drace

12th November 2008, 02:14

I feel as if most of them are just meant for jokes.

And Agrippa, I'd have to see them myself. They usually have something at the end that counter acts the whole message that is portrayed before it.

You know when they all ways go "You know, I learned something today"...

Ps: I dont like Al Gore and absolutely hate PETA...

spartan

12th November 2008, 02:27

Ever heard of the term "South Park Republican"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park_Republican

Invader Zim

20th November 2008, 12:26

Ever heard of the term "South Park Republican"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park_Republican

Yeah, its pretty much mainstream America.

PostAnarchy

20th November 2008, 17:40

South Park is silly and satirical but can be FUNNY!! :D

wigsa

23rd November 2008, 13:40

I think it's ridiculous to claim that South Park is anti-left.South park episodes nearly always portray a message which is actually morally good in a way.They bash absolutely everyone and everything,right wingers and left wingers alike.They make a mockery of consumerism and materialism as much as they make a mockery of hippies and hybrids,etc.They are just two incredibly funny and successful guys.

I'd be a huge south park fan,and one of the main reasons behind that is the way they send a strong,often beneficial message to their viewers and make an accurate statement about the problems in society.One of my personal favourites is the one where parents become so influenced by the stories of kidnappings in the news that they are afraid that they will kidnap their children themselves.Basically,the message was that people take what the media say as fact far too much.