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Trust But Verify
27th June 2006, 09:04
In 1994 America finally hemorrhaged and shed it's liberal, corrupt political skin.
A 'proud to be an American' movement....started by Ronald Reagan culminated in a sound and thorough rejection of an ever-increasing left-wing, secular, and agenda-less Democratic Party.
The insistence of the new long-term minority party (Democrats)....to promote a hate-America, blame America mindset assures their continued path towards irrelevance!
I challenge anyone out there to articulate the Democratic agenda for America's future.....I mean a real plan....not just attacks. [I]
DATELINE 1994
After being sworn in, House Republicans voted former Minority Whip Newt Gingrich – the chief architect of their historic victory and author of the Contract with America – Speaker of the House, while the new senatorial Republican majority chose Bob Dole, previously Minority Leader, as Majority Leader. With their new-found power, Republicans pursued an ambitious agenda in accordance with their conservative beliefs, but were often forced to compromise with President Clinton, who wielded veto power.
In the House of Representatives the Republican takeover was accompanied by significant structural changes in House rules. The relative power of once-powerful committee and subcommittee chairs was weakened, centralizing power within the Republican House delegation under the party leadership. For example, a six-year term limit was imposed on committee chairmanships, and a "subcommittee bill of rights" passed in the 1970s was repealed. Speaker Gingrich also bypassed the seniority system in appointing conservative loyalties to lead key committees such as Appropriations, Judiciary, and Commerce. In the Senate, changes were less substantial.
The 1994 election also marked the final end of the Conservative Coalition, a bipartisan coalition of conservative Republicans and Democrats (often referred to as "boll weevil Democrats" for their association with the U.S. South), which had often managed to control Congressional outcomes since the New Deal era.
In the 1996 and 1998 elections, Republicans retained control of the House and (more narrowly) the Senate. After the 2000 election, the Senate was divided evenly between the parties, with Republicans retaining the right to organize the Senate due to the election of Dick Cheney as Vice President and ex officio presiding officer of the Senate. The Senate briefly shifted to control of the Democrats in 2001-2002 after the defection of GOP senator Jim Jeffords, but returned to Republican control after the 2002 elections. The House, Senate, and Presidency continue to be controlled by the Republican Party going in to the 2006 Congressional elections.
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Revolution"
RebelDog
27th June 2006, 09:47
No one on this board is affiliated to the US Democratic Party and we do not care about its bourgeois agenda, nor would we wish to defend it. Why didn't you post this where people will give a shit.
Gojo
27th June 2006, 10:44
Why do the right wings keep wining?
Why do the people in the world being blinded by capitalism?
Why is the capitalism spreading all over the world?
There is only one answer to all those questions; Because people ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BECOME "SELF-AWARE", aware of their postion withnin the modern, capitalist society. They aren't aware in wich measure they are being used and exploited. They don't know that because it's the standing ground for capitalist system; to keep people not aware. To blind them with all sorts of material goods-the stuff that they don't need in life, and make them belive it's the normal thing to spend your life chasing a new goal every single day, making AND THEN SPENDING MONEY.
Comrade-Z
27th June 2006, 19:19
an ever-increasing left-wing, secular, and agenda-less Democratic Party.
Secular? Please. The Democrats are just as pathetic godsuckers as any.
Increasingly left-wing? Only in the mental universe of an ultra-conservative could that assertion appear true.
Agenda-less? Hey, for once you got it right! I agree, the Democrats have no independent agenda aside from what the ruling corporate class dictates to them. You are correct.
to promote a hate-America, blame America mindset
"My nation, right or wrong!"
-- Anonymous, unthinking SS officer working at Auschwitz concentration camp, circa 1944.
You really have no clue about the history of the U.S. or its foreign policy, do you?
Dimentio
27th June 2006, 20:19
The right wins because it choses the battlefield of debate and forces the left to use the same language.
bezdomni
27th June 2006, 21:01
One word: Religion.
The masses are oppressed by religious thought, they are fed the idea that if they do not vote for the right-wingers who will keep us safe from the bad muslims and the dirty puppy-raping mexicans then they will go to hell. Pretty much every big issue has a religious interpretation that is almost always "won over" by the right.
There are other reasons, aside from religion, I guess...but religion plays a very large role.
Gojo
27th June 2006, 23:22
Religion is the vital part of every right wing party's politics.
It realy is one of the greatest downfalls of man, and it is, besides capitalism propaganda the worst "bad name giver" of communism.
Dimentio
27th June 2006, 23:46
The only reason why international politics are drawing to the right is that the right formulates all the programmes, the debate questions and have been very good at organising itself generally since about 1970. The religious part of the right has a peripheral impact upon the movement.
Tekun
28th June 2006, 00:53
I agree with Dissenter....this is not a Democratic nor a Liberal forum
Most of our members are Socialists, Communists, or Anarchists
Can a mod please close or put this thread in Opposing Ideologies
BTW: I hope that forgetful, pathetic, and bumbling old fool u once knew as Ronnie Reagan died a slow and painful death :lol:
I know he did!
Si Pinto
28th June 2006, 01:08
This geezer thinks a website called Revolutionary Left is populated by Democrats and Liberals??
That is funny.
:lol: :lol:
Don't dig too deep Reagan worshipper, you don't know WHAT you'll find!!
:ph34r: :redstar: :ph34r: :redstar: :ph34r:
:rolleyes: :P
Karl Marx's Camel
28th June 2006, 01:11
Well, at least one reason why the left doesn't attract more people is that a lot of so-called leftists view common people like cattle, like pets. They will refer to the people as "they". They will tell us that the people need to be restrained like a horse, because "they" have been corrupted by capitalism.
IMO they are just as reactionary as those they claim to "fight" against.
banned2006
28th June 2006, 01:42
To understand this dilemma a bit further, one must look back to the old theorists of the post WWI era when in some areas fascism flourished, and in others Socialism. "Clownpenisanarchy" hit it right on the head when he/she said "religion"; but it is not religion alone, it is culture and a myriad of social influences.
Where the Socialist movement failed in Europe (early 20th Century) is when WWI began. Prior to the war the Movement had made great gains and had great support in many pre-fascist countries. However, when the war broke out, Socialist ideologues were shocked by the "proletariat" so quick to run off and fight his fellow working man for the rivalry of the aristocratic and bourgeoisie. What they fought for was not the Kaiser, Tsar, or King; but instead for culture, religion, and national fervor.
Upon the destruction of these values can only our aims be made. With the death of religion (supplanted by a faith in truth), the destruction of culture (race, racism, etc.), and national values with the replacement of a new Socialist culture, can we then build upon the ruin of the old world and take the working peoples into a new phase of social development.
Raj Radical
28th June 2006, 01:50
The "peoples party" of the United States of America, definetly not left wing, perhaps more liberal, but only by comparison.
Just the second half of the PR-men in suits mass media fueled american democracy. They serve corporate interests and fight over useless issues just as digilintly as their republican comrades.
Dont be fooled.
socialistpunk
29th June 2006, 16:33
It wins because it gets support from the people and people i mean idiots and hillbillies.
Karl Marx's Camel
29th June 2006, 16:59
It wins because it gets support from the people and people i mean idiots and hillbillies.
I won't say if I agree or disagree.
But if you are right, then this means that 99 percent of the people in the West, are idiots and hillbillies.
Fidelbrand
29th June 2006, 17:05
It wins because it is in fact freer (than socialism) and it promotes materialism (where people measure "satisfaction" more easily).
Much need to be done before our day comes, education, propaganda, revealing the systems' flaws, etc.
It will take some time, comrades.....
Dimentio
29th June 2006, 17:17
No, it wins because of media ownership, and because it decides the debate questions.
Karl Marx's Camel
29th June 2006, 17:34
Besides, people today are watching all this mind numbing television series. The most important things for many youths is fashion, getting popular, sex and sometimes drugs. And their most beloved idols are not someone like Bolivar, but Eminem or 50 cent.
A lot of them eat Mcdonalds food and other junk food. Which not only make you fat, but also make you dumb/undernourished/unhealthy.
What do the state believe they need? Basic reading, basic writing, very basic math, in order to hit the digits on the mcdonalds machine (I've heard that is being changed, so that they can simply push on some images, a monkey can even do that).
Sex is primal. Drugs to escape reality. Mainstream TV series and rigid pop music to numb the mind. Junk food to numb the body and mind. What are we left with? An idiot? Where is the intellect? The thinking?
Even if they get involved in politics, they, due to being dumb before, see the easy solutions and won't bother to think in a rational manner.
I'm not saying sex and drugs are bad. Just that it oftentimes is included in that braindead culture.
The people, stupified by society, will choose the easiest populist solution.
Delta
29th June 2006, 19:22
This geezer thinks a website called Revolutionary Left is populated by Democrats and Liberals??
He probably was just watching something on Fox News and figured that 'far left' meant people who support Hilary Clinton :P
No, it wins because of media ownership, and because it decides the debate questions
Exactly, media ownership and a constant bombardment of pro-US, pro-capitalist, and anti-your neighbor news takes a great deal of responsibility for our current situation, in addition to religion of course.
Zero
29th June 2006, 19:44
99% of us in the west are not hillbillies. Sure thats the stereotype, but the west probably has the strongest left-leaning community of the USA. L.A., Portland, and Seattle.
Gojo
29th June 2006, 19:45
Originally posted by
[email protected] 29 2006, 02:35 PM
Besides, people today are watching all this mind numbing television series. The most important things for many youths is fashion, getting popular, sex and sometimes drugs. And their most beloved idols are not someone like Bolivar, but Eminem or 50 cent.
A lot of them eat Mcdonalds food and other junk food. Which not only make you fat, but also make you dumb/undernourished/unhealthy.
What do the state believe they need? Basic reading, basic writing, very basic math, in order to hit the digits on the mcdonalds machine (I've heard that is being changed, so that they can simply push on some images, a monkey can even do that).
Sex is primal. Drugs to escape reality. Mainstream TV series and rigid pop music to numb the mind. Junk food to numb the body and mind. What are we left with? An idiot? Where is the intellect? The thinking?
Even if they get involved in politics, they, due to being dumb before, see the easy solutions and won't bother to think in a rational manner.
I'm not saying sex and drugs are bad. Just that it oftentimes is included in that braindead culture.
The people, stupified by society, will choose the easiest populist solution.
Now you're talkin' man :D In lot of previous posts you posted some pretty "not tolerable" statements but this is just how I feel and It's always good to know that you're not the only one thinking that way.
What you forgot to say was that sports played a vital part in communism and that healthy working man was the idol and "wanna be" for the whole youth. Today it's all blown to kingdom come and drugs, sex and "wild life" are being constantly promoted on the tv; begining from the news to series and movies.
I think we should discuss the effects of capitalism on society in a new thread.
Delta
29th June 2006, 19:47
Originally posted by
[email protected] 29 2006, 04:45 PM
99% of us in the west are not hillbillies. Sure thats the stereotype, but the west probably has the strongest left-leaning community of the USA. L.A., Portland, and Seattle.
I thought that he was referring to the West in the more general sense, not the West coast. The West coast is certainly more to the left than the average, with the places you mentioned. I'd also include the San Francisco Bay Area and maybe Eugene, Oregon.
Gojo
29th June 2006, 19:49
Sorry, I said "was promoted in communism"- I meant on my ex Yugoslavia in which the youth looked up to all the right people in contrary to what they look up to today.
Those things are still promoted in a few countries left in the world.
pandora
29th June 2006, 19:56
Money
for TV ads, for the general public who otherwise don't hear the candiates.
The right wing has money.
Karl Marx's Camel
29th June 2006, 20:06
99% of us in the west are not hillbillies. Sure thats the stereotype, but the west probably has the strongest left-leaning community of the USA. L.A., Portland, and Seattle.
I'm sorry, I meant the Western world.
I didn't think this was a thread about the U.S.
Raj Radical
29th June 2006, 22:09
Originally posted by Gojo+Jun 29 2006, 04:46 PM--> (Gojo @ Jun 29 2006, 04:46 PM)
[email protected] 29 2006, 02:35 PM
Besides, people today are watching all this mind numbing television series. The most important things for many youths is fashion, getting popular, sex and sometimes drugs. And their most beloved idols are not someone like Bolivar, but Eminem or 50 cent.
A lot of them eat Mcdonalds food and other junk food. Which not only make you fat, but also make you dumb/undernourished/unhealthy.
What do the state believe they need? Basic reading, basic writing, very basic math, in order to hit the digits on the mcdonalds machine (I've heard that is being changed, so that they can simply push on some images, a monkey can even do that).
Sex is primal. Drugs to escape reality. Mainstream TV series and rigid pop music to numb the mind. Junk food to numb the body and mind. What are we left with? An idiot? Where is the intellect? The thinking?
Even if they get involved in politics, they, due to being dumb before, see the easy solutions and won't bother to think in a rational manner.
I'm not saying sex and drugs are bad. Just that it oftentimes is included in that braindead culture.
The people, stupified by society, will choose the easiest populist solution.
Now you're talkin' man :D In lot of previous posts you posted some pretty "not tolerable" statements but this is just how I feel and It's always good to know that you're not the only one thinking that way.
What you forgot to say was that sports played a vital part in communism and that healthy working man was the idol and "wanna be" for the whole youth. Today it's all blown to kingdom come and drugs, sex and "wild life" are being constantly promoted on the tv; begining from the news to series and movies.
I think we should discuss the effects of capitalism on society in a new thread. [/b]
I disagree about the sports, I believe that professional sports are a contributing factor to the gladiator hero-worship thats so prevelant in our society.
Even into high school and adult-hood, most kids will name of Music or sports star when asked who their hero is.
Karl Marx's Camel
29th June 2006, 23:40
n lot of previous posts you posted some pretty "not tolerable" statements but this is just how I feel and It's always good to know that you're not the only one thinking that way.
Just because what I am writing does not fit your world image, doesn't make it "not tolerable". I honestly could not care if you like what I am writing or not. That's up to you.
Gojo
30th June 2006, 12:46
Originally posted by
[email protected] 29 2006, 08:41 PM
Just because what I am writing does not fit your world image, doesn't make it "not tolerable". I honestly could not care if you like what I am writing or not. That's up to you.
Yeah, It's just that it's not MY WORLD IMAGE because everything I post mostly reflects the views of the majority of communists/socialists in eastern Europe. The fact remains that unlike you I am not a "copromiser" and "multi-party" socialist and that makes me a bit more reliable when discussing theory and practice of communism.
Fidelbrand
1st July 2006, 12:30
Originally posted by Gojo+Jun 30 2006, 05:47 PM--> (Gojo @ Jun 30 2006, 05:47 PM)
[email protected] 29 2006, 08:41 PM
Just because what I am writing does not fit your world image, doesn't make it "not tolerable". I honestly could not care if you like what I am writing or not. That's up to you.
Yeah, It's just that it's not MY WORLD IMAGE because everything I post mostly reflects the views of the majority of communists/socialists in eastern Europe. The fact remains that unlike you I am not a "copromiser" and "multi-party" socialist and that makes me a bit more reliable when discussing theory and practice of communism. [/b]
big words there. :lol:
Pluralism is very much valued under the framework of true democracy.
One party politics is very effective.
But supporting it, doesn't mean you are more "reliable" when discussing communism.
End note: Using the reality to push foward leftist ideas is not actually "compromising", rather, if you hold on to a belief but doesn't scrutinise the masses' opinion and the political reality, it will only render you as a lone theorist. :unsure:
Originally posted by
[email protected] 1 2006, 09:31 AM
big words there. :lol:
Pluralism is very much valued under the framework of true democracy.
One party politics is very effective.
But supporting it, doesn't mean you are more "reliable" when discussing communism.
End note: Using the reality to push foward leftist ideas is not actually "compromising", rather, if you hold on to a belief but doesn't scrutinise the masses' opinion and the political reality, it will only render you as a lone theorist. :unsure:
that's all true, but the fact is that his posts clearly say that he is a compromise "communist" and that sort of "communsit" is the wrong one. History has proven that.
Karl Marx's Camel
1st July 2006, 19:54
but the fact is that his posts clearly say that he is a compromise "communist"
Could you please elaborate? What is a "compromise "communist""?
and that sort of "communsit" is the wrong one.
I am afraid communal zits are non-existant. :D
I think the sort of "communist" that is the wrong one, is the one who don't give a shit about the common people, who stage fake elections in order to give an appearance that society is really democratic (ie ruled by the people). Like the rulers of the DDR.
Do you suppor the DDR, Gojo?
Do you believe the dictatorship of the proletariat can be reached without democracy, without the people deciding the road of society?
Originally posted by
[email protected] 1 2006, 04:55 PM
Do you believe the dictatorship of the proletariat can be reached without democracy, without the people deciding the road of society?
What do you take me for? I consider myself a "hard-line communist" and as such I belive that not giving people to decide their own paths has nothing to do with communsim and is more linked to capitalism.
Si Pinto
2nd July 2006, 13:22
Originally posted by
[email protected] 1 2006, 09:31 AM
End note: Using the reality to push foward leftist ideas is not actually "compromising", rather, if you hold on to a belief but doesn't scrutinise the masses' opinion and the political reality, it will only render you as a lone theorist. :unsure:
Fine quote.
Remember what Goethe said.
Theories are grey, but real life is green (or in our case RED ;) )
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