Talk About Propaganda

[ummProfessional]

http://www.sonic.net/~figgins/cuba/cuba0108.jpg

spies, victims of American fascism! :lol: Jesus Christ, talk about Cubans being brainwashed!! "Celebrating the 50th Anniversary of their "assassination"" :lol: :rolleyes:

[bezdomni]

I suspect you think Julius and Ethel Rosenberg had it coming?

Wanna tell it to their kids?

[ummProfessional]

I suspect you think Julius and Ethel Rosenberg had it coming?

Wanna tell it to their kids?

well well well, im intoxicated by the smell of IRONY in the air!! lol want to tell the kids of all the thousands that Che and Castro's Revolution put in the firing squad for being "un revolutionaries"? how about that? ahh yes but in the height of the Cold War a group of communist spies should not have had it "coming" :lol:

that is so funny, i can't believe people with your ideology who preach that "treason" against the REVOLUCIOOOON should be dealt with DEATH! and all oppositors and members of the bourgeois should also pay with their lives, comes in here defending nothing more than spies!! jajajjaa :ph34r: wow im almost choking with the smell of IRONY!!!

[Marx_was_right!]

that is so funny, i can't believe people with your ideology who preach that "treason" against the REVOLUCIOOOON should be dealt with DEATH! and all oppositors and members of the bourgeois should also pay with their lives, comes in here defending nothing more than spies!! jajajjaa wow im almost choking with the smell of IRONY!!!

It is because they are not real humans. They are arrogant and greedy. We are superior. The owners of capital think they are superior to us and are the master race. We will show them who the master race really is.

[JKP]

Originally posted by Marx_was_right!@Jun 26 2006, 10:58 PM

that is so funny, i can't believe people with your ideology who preach that "treason" against the REVOLUCIOOOON should be dealt with DEATH! and all oppositors and members of the bourgeois should also pay with their lives, comes in here defending nothing more than spies!! jajajjaa wow im almost choking with the smell of IRONY!!!

It is because they are not real humans. They are arrogant and greedy. We are superior. The owners of capital think they are superior to us and are the master race. We will show them who the master race really is.
What the fuck?

[RaiseYourVoice]

Originally posted by Marx_was_right!@Jun 27 2006, 06:58 AM

that is so funny, i can't believe people with your ideology who preach that "treason" against the REVOLUCIOOOON should be dealt with DEATH! and all oppositors and members of the bourgeois should also pay with their lives, comes in here defending nothing more than spies!! jajajjaa wow im almost choking with the smell of IRONY!!!

It is because they are not real humans. They are arrogant and greedy. We are superior. The owners of capital think they are superior to us and are the master race. We will show them who the master race really is.
:blink:

[Marx_was_right!]

Originally posted by JKP+Jun 27 2006, 08:23 AM--> (JKP @ Jun 27 2006, 08:23 AM)
Marx_was_right!@Jun 26 2006, 10:58 PM

that is so funny, i can't believe people with your ideology who preach that "treason" against the REVOLUCIOOOON should be dealt with DEATH! and all oppositors and members of the bourgeois should also pay with their lives, comes in here defending nothing more than spies!! jajajjaa wow im almost choking with the smell of IRONY!!!

It is because they are not real humans. They are arrogant and greedy. We are superior. The owners of capital think they are superior to us and are the master race. We will show them who the master race really is.
What the fuck? [/b]
:wacko: U think bougeiose think they are not superior. I hav read it on this form. They suck badly so we will smash them and show them whose boss cum revolution.

[RevMARKSman]

Originally posted by Marx_was_right!+Jun 27 2006, 05:29 AM--> (Marx_was_right! @ Jun 27 2006, 05:29 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2006, 08:23 AM

Marx_was_right!@Jun 26 2006, 10:58 PM

that is so funny, i can't believe people with your ideology who preach that "treason" against the REVOLUCIOOOON should be dealt with DEATH! and all oppositors and members of the bourgeois should also pay with their lives, comes in here defending nothing more than spies!! jajajjaa wow im almost choking with the smell of IRONY!!!

It is because they are not real humans. They are arrogant and greedy. We are superior. The owners of capital think they are superior to us and are the master race. We will show them who the master race really is.
What the fuck?
:wacko: U think bougeiose think they are not superior. I hav read it on this form. They suck badly so we will smash them and show them whose boss cum revolution. [/b]
And yet another "What the fuck? I thought everyone was human..." :blink:

[TC]

The Rosenbergs were American heros, instead of just wimpily selling newspapers and attending boring meetings like amercan communists do today, they participated in an attempt to help shift the balance of power against the imperialists and fascists in favor of the socialist bloc, which is far more revolutionary and useful than anything the left is doing today.

[ComradeOm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2006, 10:47 AM
And yet another "What the fuck? I thought everyone was human..." :blink:
Except the robots. I will however add a "What the fuck". My initial impression was of an ironic response but that's been replaced by... well I'm not quite sure. Confusion does enter into it though.

[theraven]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2006, 03:06 PM
The Rosenbergs were American heros, instead of just wimpily selling newspapers and attending boring meetings like amercan communists do today, they participated in an attempt to help shift the balance of power against the imperialists and fascists in favor of the socialist bloc, which is far more revolutionary and useful than anything the left is doing today.
no they were traitors, they gave the secrets to the soviet empire (which by what seems to be the generla concnesiou to be not a real socalist/communist state) thus they were merely commitnng treason, and theri execution was well deserved.

[Zero]

I doubt that there are any Stalinists here, but the 'Lennies' supported Soviet Russia pre-Stalin. I don't have the dates memorized though =\.

[theraven]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2006, 08:05 PM
I doubt that there are any Stalinists here, but the 'Lennies' supported Soviet Russia pre-Stalin. I don't have the dates memorized though =\.
You're a communsit and you don't know that lennin died in the 20s?

[Zero]

Why should I care about Lenin? Or the whole Soviet Russia? I'm more of an Anarchist then Communist.

[theraven]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2006, 08:40 PM
Why should I care about Lenin? Or the whole Soviet Russia? I'm more of an Anarchist then Communist.
because its part of histroy?

[Jazzratt]

theraven, unforutunatley, has a point. As the quote goes "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." and if there is one thing us leftists shouldn't repeat it's the soviet union's post Lenin years.

[KC]

Why should I care about Lenin? Or the whole Soviet Russia?

"Why should I care about one of the most significant events in the working class movement?"

[ComradeOm]

Originally posted by Khayembii [email protected] 27 2006, 10:00 PM

Why should I care about Lenin? Or the whole Soviet Russia?

"Why should I care about one of the most significant events in the working class movement?"
Answer: Because I'm an idiot who can't imagine a time before ipods and the internet

[bezdomni]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2006, 05:15 AM

I suspect you think Julius and Ethel Rosenberg had it coming?

Wanna tell it to their kids?

well well well, im intoxicated by the smell of IRONY in the air!! lol want to tell the kids of all the thousands that Che and Castro's Revolution put in the firing squad for being "un revolutionaries"? how about that? ahh yes but in the height of the Cold War a group of communist spies should not have had it "coming" :lol:

that is so funny, i can't believe people with your ideology who preach that "treason" against the REVOLUCIOOOON should be dealt with DEATH! and all oppositors and members of the bourgeois should also pay with their lives, comes in here defending nothing more than spies!! jajajjaa :ph34r: wow im almost choking with the smell of IRONY!!!
First of all, you assert that there were "thousands" put before a firing squad. Do you have an actual source to back this up, or are you just going to say it? The numbers are easily far fewer, and you even admit that it was DURING A REVOLUTION. People die in revolutions; it's sad but it's true. Even if those people are quasi-fascist imperialist godsuckers.

People in Cuba pretty openly say things like they wish the revolution had never happened, or that they have a Trotsky library in their home. Americans have this funny tendency to believe that they have the only country that is governed by a constitution that has a "free speech" clause. Here's some news, Cuba has the same thing; and so did Vietnam prior to the US invasion!

Anyway, the death penalty in Cuba is illegal. Hell, the biggest HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION IN ALL OF CUBA is owned by the US.

[ummProfessional]

First of all, you assert that there were "thousands" put before a firing squad. Do you have an actual source to back this up, or are you just going to say it? The numbers are easily far fewer, and you even admit that it was DURING A REVOLUTION. People die in revolutions; it's sad but it's true. Even if those people are quasi-fascist imperialist godsuckers.

:rolleyes: ohh god do i really have to go through this?

alrighty here you go :
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial...ounting?mode=PF (http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2006/01/04/9240_victims_and_counting?mode=PF)

http://www.cubaarchive.org/english_version...339%3Bs-Victims (http://www.cubaarchive.org/english_version/articles/1/1/The-Wall-Street-Journal%3A-Counting-Castro%26%2339%3Bs-Victims)

http://www.therealcuba.com/MurderedbyChe.htm WATCH THE VIDEO!! :D if you know spanish though...

anyways people die in revolutions? ahh so yes it is sad but true huh!!! wow Irony should be your middle name, THEN WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING COMPLAINING ABOUT SPIES DYING !! HUH!!! it beats me!!?


People in Cuba pretty openly say things like they wish the revolution had never happened, or that they have a Trotsky library in their home. Americans have this funny tendency to believe that they have the only country that is governed by a constitution that has a "free speech" clause. Here's some news, Cuba has the same thing; and so did Vietnam prior to the US invasion!

Anyway, the death penalty in Cuba is illegal. Hell, the biggest HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION IN ALL OF CUBA is owned by the US.

WHAAAAAT? you must be out of your mind!! if i say FUCK FIDEL i will most probably end up dead tomorrow!!! who are you kidding man?!! people in Cuba aren't even free to fart whenever they want!! death penalty is illegal in CUBA!! WTFFFFFF!!! dude you are surely dillusional with no way shape or form of any idea of what your talking about

http://www.hrw.org/reports/1999/cuba/Cuba996-07.htm
http://sf.indymedia.org/print.php?id=1618285
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=32861

jesus you should not come back here to make a fool of yourself in this way, jajajaajaja yeah there is no death penalty in Cuba and there is free speech!! JAJAJAJAJAJAJA!! :lol: and i have 6 nipples!!

and the biggest human rights violation in Cuba is owned by the USA? :huh: which is? the blockade? ohh please any bastard who comes here talk about the blockade i wipe my ass with that, how come the turists don't suffer from the blockade? huh? explain that !! yeah thats what i thought pleaaaaasee

[bezdomni]

anyways people die in revolutions? ahh so yes it is sad but true huh!!! wow Irony should be your middle name, THEN WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING COMPLAINING ABOUT SPIES DYING !! HUH!!! it beats me!!?


The last time I checked, the execution of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg did not occur in 1776.

I'll read through your links in a bit. It's probably stuff I've seen before, but there are a few unpleasant surprises every now and then.


and the biggest human rights violation in Cuba is owned by the USA? huh.gif which is? the blockade? ohh please any bastard who comes here talk about the blockade i wipe my ass with that, how come the turists don't suffer from the blockade? huh? explain that !! yeah thats what i thought pleaaaaasee

I was actually referring to Guantanamo Bay. You know? The happy little resort where people are held for indefinite lengths of time without any specific charges being held against them?

Although the blockade isn't a particularly nice thing either.

[BurnTheOliveTree]

Oh my gosh, Ummprofessional. Guantanomo Bay! Was that not blindingly obvious? :lol: Shit.

-Alex

[ummProfessional]

The last time I checked, the execution of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg did not occur in 1776.

I'll read through your links in a bit. It's probably stuff I've seen before, but there are a few unpleasant surprises every now and then.

did you consider the 1950's? the COLD WAR? our undeniable enemies the USSR!? yeah



was actually referring to Guantanamo Bay. You know? The happy little resort where people are held for indefinite lengths of time without any specific charges being held against them?

Although the blockade isn't a particularly nice thing either.

ohh yeah yeah, thanks BurntheOliveGarden, i totally spaced out there wasn't even thinking about Guantanamo, well as the unbiased person that i am ;) i can admit there is surely probably some bad things occuring in Guantanamo, but who is to say this isn't the situation in all of the prisions of Cuba? with all of the oppositors and dissidents?

[bezdomni]

bad things occuring in Guantanamo, but who is to say this isn't the situation in all of the prisions of Cuba? with all of the oppositors and dissidents?
Can you prove that there is so much as one political dissident currently imprisoned in Cuba that did not break the law in some manner (such as assisting the United States)?

Also, look up the last time the death penalty was used in Cuba. You might be surprised.

If I had to choose between a regular Cuban prison or Guantanamo Bay, I'd choose the Cuban prison any day.


did you consider the 1950's? the COLD WAR? our undeniable enemies the USSR!? yeah
A "cold war" is signified by no actual casualties, just extreme political and military tensions.

Anyway, we were talking about revolutions. The US had its revolution in the 1770s, therefore, the execution of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg was not "defending the revolution".

[CubaSocialista]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2006, 04:16 AM
http://www.sonic.net/~figgins/cuba/cuba0108.jpg

spies, victims of American fascism! :lol: Jesus Christ, talk about Cubans being brainwashed!! "Celebrating the 50th Anniversary of their "assassination"" :lol: :rolleyes:
the execution of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg was motivated not only by anti-communist hysteria, but INCREDIBLY by an underlying fear that there was a "Jewish Bolshevik" conspiracy to destroy half the planet.

The Rosenbergs, though possibly guilty, received undue injustices because of their Jewish heritage.

They were, more or less, victims of American fascism.

[CubaSocialista]

Originally posted by ComradeOm+Jun 27 2006, 03:08 PM--> (ComradeOm @ Jun 27 2006, 03:08 PM)
[email protected] 27 2006, 10:47 AM
And yet another "What the fuck? I thought everyone was human..." :blink:
Except the robots. I will however add a "What the fuck". My initial impression was of an ironic response but that's been replaced by... well I'm not quite sure. Confusion does enter into it though. [/b]
Oh God, the robots.


The robots. Bill Cosby, the robots.
Those damn things scared the hell out of me.
Back in 2017, the robots, lead by Bill Cosby, assured us that "The kids, who listen to the rap, get the brain damage, with all that hippin' and hoppin', so we gonna show them, what the jazz, is all ABOUT!"

And that's how the war began.


Oops, drifted off into my alternate universe again.
Not unlike the one this guy has created, where the bourgeois are inhuman, arrogant, and greedy.

Perhaps so, but the most terrifying thing about his statement? Replace bourgeois with "Jews"

This guy isn't a red. He's a cryptofascist demagogue-wannabe.

[CubaSocialista]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2006, 05:59 PM

First of all, you assert that there were "thousands" put before a firing squad. Do you have an actual source to back this up, or are you just going to say it? The numbers are easily far fewer, and you even admit that it was DURING A REVOLUTION. People die in revolutions; it's sad but it's true. Even if those people are quasi-fascist imperialist godsuckers.

:rolleyes: ohh god do i really have to go through this?

alrighty here you go :
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial...ounting?mode=PF (http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2006/01/04/9240_victims_and_counting?mode=PF)

http://www.cubaarchive.org/english_version...339%3Bs-Victims (http://www.cubaarchive.org/english_version/articles/1/1/The-Wall-Street-Journal%3A-Counting-Castro%26%2339%3Bs-Victims)

http://www.therealcuba.com/MurderedbyChe.htm WATCH THE VIDEO!! :D if you know spanish though...

anyways people die in revolutions? ahh so yes it is sad but true huh!!! wow Irony should be your middle name, THEN WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING COMPLAINING ABOUT SPIES DYING !! HUH!!! it beats me!!?


People in Cuba pretty openly say things like they wish the revolution had never happened, or that they have a Trotsky library in their home. Americans have this funny tendency to believe that they have the only country that is governed by a constitution that has a "free speech" clause. Here's some news, Cuba has the same thing; and so did Vietnam prior to the US invasion!

Anyway, the death penalty in Cuba is illegal. Hell, the biggest HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION IN ALL OF CUBA is owned by the US.

WHAAAAAT? you must be out of your mind!! if i say FUCK FIDEL i will most probably end up dead tomorrow!!! who are you kidding man?!! people in Cuba aren't even free to fart whenever they want!! death penalty is illegal in CUBA!! WTFFFFFF!!! dude you are surely dillusional with no way shape or form of any idea of what your talking about

http://www.hrw.org/reports/1999/cuba/Cuba996-07.htm
http://sf.indymedia.org/print.php?id=1618285
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=32861

jesus you should not come back here to make a fool of yourself in this way, jajajaajaja yeah there is no death penalty in Cuba and there is free speech!! JAJAJAJAJAJAJA!! :lol: and i have 6 nipples!!

and the biggest human rights violation in Cuba is owned by the USA? :huh: which is? the blockade? ohh please any bastard who comes here talk about the blockade i wipe my ass with that, how come the turists don't suffer from the blockade? huh? explain that !! yeah thats what i thought pleaaaaasee
About those articles.


The first is an editorial.

The second is from an article from "the Wall Street Journal"
So, they're obviously inclined to tell us what's good for everybody, working for the big money corporations in the stock market, after all.

The third is from an anti-cuba quasi-joke website.


I'd like to see some figures and facts that don't come from the wooden lips of dummies with yankee hands up their you-know-what.

[ummProfessional]

Can you prove that there is so much as one political dissident currently imprisoned in Cuba that did not break the law in some manner (such as assisting the United States)?

Also, look up the last time the death penalty was used in Cuba. You might be surprised.

If I had to choose between a regular Cuban prison or Guantanamo Bay, I'd choose the Cuban prison any day.

assisting the United States? are you fucking kidding me!? HOW? you mean as "spies"? sure i don't fucking know if there are Cuban people imprisioned because they are "spies"? but i sure as hell know that if you say "FUCK FIDEL", your surely not going to be a free man! plus know your going to defend the persecution of spies? ahh yes but the Rosenmbergs were victims! :rolleyes: dude this is so retarded, the Cuban governmnet and people like you which support it are such hypocrites it's not even funny!

http://www.worldpress.org/Americas/369.cfm

http://www.sonic.net/~figgins/cuba/cuba0111.jpg

HAHAHA YES!! the HEROES OF THE COUNTRY, a bunch of spies :rolleyes: seriously can you get any more ridiculous?

and look up the last time the death penalty was used in Cuba? i could care less!, i know the death penalty is in place and in existance in Cuba which is contrary to what you said about NO DEATH PENALTY IN CUBA! :rolleyes: last time i heard it was in 2003 when 3 people were executed when they tried to reach the United States becasue they hijacked some boat.

and if you had to choose between a "regular" Cuban prision and Guantanamo you would choose the "regular" one, well who are you kidding? you don't even know the treatment that goes around on actual Cuban prisions!

http://www.therealcuba.com/Page7.htm


A "cold war" is signified by no actual casualties, just extreme political and military tensions.

Anyway, we were talking about revolutions. The US had its revolution in the 1770s, therefore, the execution of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg was not "defending the revolution".

ohh wow no casualties, sure, there was no casualties during the Cold War :rolleyes: sure we didn't go head to head in the battlefield, but we were as close as anything to freaking war, we were in a battle of dominiance and infulence, you think if i was an american spie my fate would have been different? who are you kidding MAN!! it's time for you to stop being so damn BIAS!! stop it seriously it's not very intelligent and it's baseless as well! and who says we are talking about revolutions? we didn't put on firing squads thousands who supported the British or who had previously been part of the British or something! plus it's about SPIES! the Rosenmbergs were spies, leaking information about very highly sensative classified material to our biggest RIVALS!! of the 20th century! in the height of the COLD FUCKING WAR!!! victims? i don't think so!


the execution of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg was motivated not only by anti-communist hysteria, but INCREDIBLY by an underlying fear that there was a "Jewish Bolshevik" conspiracy to destroy half the planet.

The Rosenbergs, though possibly guilty, received undue injustices because of their Jewish heritage.

They were, more or less, victims of American fascism.

anti-communist hysteria? so i take it if it was a German spie during WW2 it would have been because of "anti-Nazi hysteria"? :rolleyes: ohh please shut the fuck up with such rubbisH!!!

a Jewish Bolshevik conspiracy? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH A!!!!! :lol: that is one of the funniest things iv ever heard! BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!

though possibly guilty recieved injustice? c'mon! what injustice? because they were Jewish? i thought you dumb nuts are the ones who have always said the US has been "controlled" by Zionists! lol :lol: and thus why we created the state of Israel and so on because it was pressured by Jewish Zionist group! lol i take it if the Rosenbergs were black you would also say even though they were guilty they were unjustly charged :rolleyes: and victims of American fascism? WTF!! please prove this downright retarded and baseless statement! what fascism? please indulge me!!


The first is an editorial

prove how his opinions are in any way shape or form wrong!


The second is from an article from "the Wall Street Journal"
So, they're obviously inclined to tell us what's good for everybody, working for the big money corporations in the stock market, after all.

so this is how your prove them wrong? dude please i can't argue with such stupidity! yeah and you and your sources are the only ones filtered from any propaganda and bullshit! you and your leftist media are the only speakers of truth! ohh please! :rolleyes:


The third is from an anti-cuba quasi-joke website.


I'd like to see some figures and facts that don't come from the wooden lips of dummies with yankee hands up their you-know-what.

i want you to prove to me without the benefit of the doubt how that quasi-joke website is lying in any way! how it is wrong in any way, WITH FACTS that don't come from bias leftists weed somkers who get their information from other leftists buddies working out of their grandma's basement! EXACTLY!

and anti-Cuba? why? because it speaks the truth it's anti-Cuban? no it's not anti-Cuban , in fact it's very PRO! CUBAN! it's anti-authoritatian and anti-Castro! thats for sure, it speaks nothing but the truth, till this day i don't see anyone with the information to disprove this website! in fact it has pictures and videos which can't be denied! i wonder if you have the same, i wonder of you have mutlimidia to show the beautifulness and fairness and exquisitness of the Cuban people and their struggles!! i thought you guys supported revolutions and stuff? and anti government and all those things? FUCK!! CASTRO! he is the KING OF CUBA! he rules with an iron fist! how can you guys deny this? it's unbelievable! with so many testimonies and facts, there is even a Cuban guy who speaks here in this website i forgot in which thread he was on, his name was SmokingMan i believe? anyways since im restricted i can only watch and read the things people post there, but his testimonies are quite terrifying, the Cuban government forces people to go to anti-American rallies, and it dresses it's police force with civilian clothes to stop protesters....i mean it's just sickening!

[CubaSocialista]

Ummprofessional.


The Cuban 5 are not "spies" against anyone except a group suspected of desiring to carry out terrorist, seditious activities in Cuba. They were acting on foreign soil, but they were only "spying" on a Cuban-American group known for terrorism and such in the past.

You'd be whining if Saudi Arabia, for instance, was holding CIA members hostages for spying on Al Qaeda. (granted, the Saudi-American relationship is totally different from the Cubano-American one)

[ummProfessional]

ok didn't know that, but still they were spying on American Citizens probably, and seriously Fidel has such a fetish with the Cuban exile in Miami it's not even funny, hahaha as he calls them "The Mafia of Miami" :rolleyes: lol

[CubaSocialista]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 10:40 PM
ok didn't know that, but still they were spying on American Citizens probably, and seriously Fidel has such a fetish with the Cuban exile in Miami it's not even funny, hahaha as he calls them "The Mafia of Miami" :rolleyes: lol

Ma·fi·a Pronunciation Key (mäf-)
n.
often mafia Informal. A tightly knit group of trusted associates, as of a political leader: “ [He] is one of the personal mafia that [the chancellor] brought with him to Bonn” (Christian Science Monitor)


The Cuban American National Foundation is a political vehicle of influence, as are various factions of Cuban exiles in Miami. They wield political power reminiscent of Boss Tweed's Tammany Hall. Every Cuban who comes to the US due to US denial of visas, and the seduction and outrageous "wet foot, dry foot" rule (that is, any Cuban who reaches America soil is granted asylum, this is the only nationality that receives this preferential treatment. Think how many mexicans would come to the US if we had that law applied to them.) is allowed to stay. Of course cubans come here, with money opportunities blaring over subversive US radio stations, US restrictions on travel separating families, and the embargo designed to make the US an even more appealing alternative to socialism, thus darkening Cuba's PR.


So yes, they are more or less, a political machine, with vast amounts of money and disproportionate influence, as seen in their special laws and preferences. When these folks fled Batista, they brought their dirty money with them.


As for "spying on private American citizens", under the same logic we must then destroy all tabloids, the Church of Scientology (though that's no loss :-)), prank-oriented reality shows, and our own government's programs. Granted, it is the US's obligation to prevent foreign influence, but we do the same thing in the name of national security, often harboring terrorists against countries we don't like. EVEN IF THOSE TERRORISTS HURT INNOCENTS. See Luis Posada's 1974 bombing of a Cuban jetliner for more, as well as the countless assassination attempts on Fidel.


It's hypocritical really. The Cuban 5 did what they did for reasons that were to them and many others, millions, justified. Had 5 Americans been arrested in a similar situation over CIA agents detained by a foreign government for spying against a private organization (i.e. Al Qaeda or Hamas, or Hezbollah, or any others.) then we'd likely invade (though judging from how the American Military usually handles Americans taken captive by the Iraqi resistance, I doubt the US would go through the trouble to actually find out what happened to said Agents.)

[CubaSocialista]

As well, therealcuba.com has a jokes section that shows such crude and stupid humor, even against non-"authoritarian" figures like Hugo Chavez, in the form of sexual jokes and cheap toilet humor.


And, courtesy of Wikipedia, we have this info.
And yes, there were plenty of antisemitic elements in the Rosenberg trial. I have family that lived at the time. Family that lived in the midwest, and in rural pennsylvania, who hid their identities as Jews during the 40's through to the early 70's. They remark that often, during the point where the case had a lot of publicity, people would often cite that "the Rosenbergs are Jews, after all, and the USSR is like a haven to those folk."


David Greenglass was spared execution in exchange for his testimony. More importantly, his wife, who according to the Venona decrypts was given a code name, never was even indicted. He spent 10 years in prison and was released in 1960, and has lived under an assumed name since his release. Decades later, in late 2001, Greenglass admitted that he had committed perjury when he testified about the typing activity of his sister Ethel. Greenglass said he chose to falsely testify against his sister in order to protect his wife and children.
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Controversy

From the beginning of their trial through the present, the Rosenberg case has been a controversial issue, with individual opinions falling roughly among ideological lines. There are a number of points of contention which still hold, even after the revelation of many hundreds of pages of previously secret evidence.

* Ethel Rosenberg’s Involvement? While the preponderance of evidence indicates that Julius was involved in espionage for the Soviets, the record is more ambiguous with Ethel. The VENONA transcripts are ambiguous as to Ethel's involvement, and that her brother, David Greenglass, a key prosecution witness, later told his biographer Sam Roberts that he had perjured himself in order to lessen his own sentence and to help his wife avoid jail time. [3]
* The Trial: There are many critics who have alleged that the political climate of the time, and the seemingly a priori belief by Judge Kaufman of the pair's guilt, his agreement to impose the death penalty before the trial had even begun, his willingness to permit a cross-examination of Ethel Rosenberg which destroyed her credibillity by suggesting that there is a contradiction between asserting the Fifth Amendment before a Grand Jury and asserting one's innocence at a trial, would have made it impossible for the Rosenbergs to have had a fair trial by an impartial jury. The Rosenberg lawyer, Emanuel Bloch, also made a number of massive legal blunders (such as moving to impound exhibit 8 a Greenglass sketch purporting to show a cross section of the implosion-type atom bomb, thereby in effect acquiescing in the prosecution's charge that the sketch was in fact the "secret of the atom bomb" and also not cross-examining Harry Gold, who in later trials was found to be highly unreliable) suggesting either his incompetence or inability to cope with such a high-profile trial.
* The Sentence: The imposition of the death sentence upon the Rosenbergs has been the most controversial aspect of the case, as they were sentenced far more harshly than any other "atomic spies". Klaus Fuchs, who spied for many more years than the Rosenbergs, provided far more sensitive nuclear information to the Soviet Union, and was sentenced to 14 years in jail. In 1950 the conspiracy conviction was prosecuted in the context of the Cold War, with Judge Kaufman placing culpability on the couple for the Korean War. The fact that the Soviet Union was an ally of the United States during the time of the Rosenbergs' alleged espionage was not taken into consideration during the sentencing.

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Hmmmmm. Sounds like CUBA! :P My God Castro is a hipocrite! :o Who would have thought?


As well, therealcuba.com has a jokes section that shows such crude and stupid humor, even against non-"authoritarian" figures like Hugo Chavez, in the form of sexual jokes and cheap toilet humor.
OMG! Humor! Someone call the thought police! Chavez is a retard. We need people to laugh at that guy to expose him for what he is. Of course, you wouldn't say that sort of stuff in Venezuela or Cuba, so maybe it is bad! :o Actually, I think the state needs to protect people from bad humor like that and move to shut down that horribly offensive website. :angry: Instead, we should look at authoritative sites like this one:

http://www.cubagob.cu/ingles/

Full of useful information! :) Go to the 'economic development' section! The latest Cuban economic report is from 2001! :lol: Real up to date propaganda there! What a piece of shit country. We need to invade now. I suggest bombing their 1952 air defences and rolling into Havanna. Plenty of Cubans in the USA will be ready to take control and run that place properly. I mean... actually run it.


EDIT: CUBASOCIALISTA, LOOK HERE!:
http://www.therealcuba.com/Castro%20the%20...millionaire.htm (http://www.therealcuba.com/Castro%20the%20multimillionaire.htm)
Castro puts American Capitalists to shame!

[KC]

Of course, you wouldn't say that sort of stuff in Venezuela or Cuba

I'm sorry I'm not able to comment on Cuba, as I don't have the info on the subject, but there is 100% freedom of press in Venezuela. On the corporate-owned media stations cries for the overthrow and murder of Chavez are commonly heard. Gasp! A "socialist" country freer than the United States? :lol:

[Raj Radical]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2006, 06:41 AM
I suggest bombing their 1952 air defences and rolling into Havanna. Plenty of Cubans in the USA will be ready to take control and run that place properly. I mean... actually run it.



Didnt work out in 1961 for you guys, but thats alright I suppose.

Do you really think that the US could juggle two wars and two insurgencys?

One by a part of the world that has declared a holy jihad on the US, and another by a people that has experienced the travesties of US imperialism and neo-liberalism firsthand?