Let Us Make Fun Of Fitzcarraldo [Archive]

black magick hustla

26th June 2006, 18:19

Tsk, Tsk Tsk. This is the most corrupt, kleptocratic, ignorant, biased, unpantocratic web-forum in the entire history of human civilization. For I am given a warning point and repeatedly called in idiot for starting a more or less identical thread to this one. Zero does the same. And what is zero's punishment? NOTHING! The thread is not even closed down. At least my thread served a purpose. This serves no purpose. And here I am, exposing your corruption and bias as if it were not self-evident! Are the moderators here even in posession of the perceptive faculties? No wonder the revolution can't even get off the ground with people like you as its vanguard.

I think this is just anti-clerical propaganda from the atheists who wish to avoid God's love. Procreation and conception are God's way of delivering life. Using condoms interrupts it, thus interrupting God's love.

The United States is a superior civilisation to Mexico. Its why Mexicans go the USA to find work but not the other way around. One would therefore expect poorer and more dangerous cities in Mexico. Also, you can't walk around many parts of Mexico City if you are white, so yes, its not a nice place.

ve a problem with gays but i don't want them in my family.

Its because many poor people have no respect for Gods laws, particularly those outlined in Autumnwindisaraider's posts. Love thy neighbour but tear not down the wall? How about crashing through the wall in a pickup? Do not kill? How about stabbing somone in the street? Treat thy neighbour as you yourself would wish to be treated? How about making their walls shake with a boombox at 3:00AM?

You laugh? Why? I think it is sad when I'm all i'm trying to do is to help you. Even you Marmot. I hope you have the answer to your own happyness then as you seem to enjoy laughing in the face of the Deity.

and my favorite

You all seem to be very evil people. It saddens me that people such as you still exist. I will pray for you however and do what else I can for you however and leave this here to purify the forum:

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let us find cool quotes of fitzcarraldo he is a cool cat

*[email protected]*

26th June 2006, 19:49

I deal with Christians like this everyday at my highschool, but when I see Christian Ignorence on a website of open minded people it angers me :angry:

fitzcarraldo...GO LIVE IN YOUR CHRISTIAN WORLD OF DENILE, LEAVE US ALONE, MARRY JESUS, HAVE A KID AND GO SUCK A BIBLE!!!

You all seem to be very evil people. It saddens me that people such as you still exist. I will pray for you however and do what else I can for you however and leave this here to purify the forum:

And we pray to Marx, Che and Lenin that they purify your fucked ignorence and destroy every church and all those fucked R tards that believe in what you do with a vengance so strong that it makes god wet himself!! :angry:

Phew...that felt good

Thanks Marmot, I needed that :lol:

Comrade J

26th June 2006, 20:57

Originally posted by *[email protected]*@Jun 26 2006, 04:50 PM
I deal with Christians like this everyday at my highschool, but when I see Christian Ignorence on a website of open minded people it angers me :angry:

fitzcarraldo...GO LIVE IN YOUR CHRISTIAN WORLD OF DENILE, LEAVE US ALONE, MARRY JESUS, HAVE A KID AND GO SUCK A BIBLE!!!

You all seem to be very evil people. It saddens me that people such as you still exist. I will pray for you however and do what else I can for you however and leave this here to purify the forum:

And we pray to Marx, Che and Lenin that they purify your fucked ignorence and destroy every church and all those fucked R tards that believe in what you do with a vengance so strong that it makes god wet himself!! :angry:

Phew...that felt good

Thanks Marmot, I needed that :lol:
Absolute fucking lunacy.

Laughing in the face of the Deity? Hahahah! What medication are you on!? If there was a God, I would shit in his face, never mind laugh! What kind of God allows such cruelty and evil to happen? He is a pathetic, feeble and powerless being if he exists, that's for sure.

You're seriously pathetic, come the revolution, the last site people like you will see is a brick wall, the sooner you and your pathetic, ancient, paganistic, homophobic beliefs are violently thrown from this world, the better.

Thankyou for reminding me of one of the many reasons I continue to believe in the politics that I believe in. Now fuck off.

Marx_was_right!

27th June 2006, 09:38

If there was a God, I would shit in his face, never mind laugh!
Uh, that doesn't actually make any sence. I am not sure you'd dare.

come the revolution, the last site people like you will see is a brick wall.
This sort of claptrap is enough to make me almost abandon my newfound communism.

Thankyou for reminding me of one of the many reasons I continue to believe in the politics that I believe in
If you need to be reminded, your politics can't be that convincing.

And how come this guy was banned? I don't think a religious person is any threat?

RevMARKSman

27th June 2006, 13:47

And how come this guy was banned? I don't think a religious person is any threat? He wouldn't listen to reason. It became hopeless trying to argue with him. He was useless.

Comrade J

27th June 2006, 19:42

Originally posted by Marx_was_right!@Jun 27 2006, 06:39 AM

If there was a God, I would shit in his face, never mind laugh!
Uh, that doesn't actually make any sence. I am not sure you'd dare.

It doesn't make any sense? I thought it was a pretty easy-to-understand sentence really. :huh:
It seems you're assuming God would be some sort of omnipotent, omniscient being, yet the current state of the Earth suggests otherwise: what sort of God would make the world like this, with so many imperfections and injustices?
You've looked into this too much anyway, it's not meant to be literally taken, it's simply pointing out that a God who makes the world as it is does not deserve any respect anyway. If somebody says to you 'I shit myself watching that horror film!' would you assume they actually did shit themselves...? Try not to be so close-minded and pedantic.

come the revolution, the last site people like you will see is a brick wall.

This sort of claptrap is enough to make me almost abandon my newfound communism.

How tragic, because I do in fact live solely to ensure you remain a Communist.

Crazy religious people who do not realise we live a totally material existence and that God cannot save us are a threat to a revolution. A revolution would most likely involve bloodshed and anti-religious actions, and we can't tolerate fundamentalist religious people preventing it from happening, as 'everything will be alright in the next life' and 'God will judge these slave drivers, don't kill them.'
This doesn't apply to all religious people (for me personally) but I think those who pose a significant threat should be dealt with, perhaps imprisoned, depends on how lenient you are.

Thankyou for reminding me of one of the many reasons I continue to believe in the politics that I believe in

If you need to be reminded, your politics can't be that convincing.

Very weak argument.
I didn't need to be reminded of anything, it merely reaffirms my beliefs. I'd have thought that was obvious :huh: . It was hardly enlightening for me, it was more to make a point than anything... again, clearly not as obvious a meaning as I thought.

Zero

28th June 2006, 00:35

Awww... she got banned. =( I loved her trying to proove that God exists:

Originally posted by "Zero"+--> ("Zero")
"fitzcarraldo"
The fact via its infinitely elaborate calculations it can manifest the possibility of a God demonstrates the actual possibility for the existence of God in reality, which is constantly analysed by the mind, on many levels of consiousness. If you disagree you are of course dening the rationality of your fellow humans and indeed your own rationality since you are of course directed by your own mind.

Lets believe for a second that Quantum Physics is the rational explanation for everything in the universe, and that Einstein was incorrect about General Relitivity (Which is impossible considering that Quantum Physics cannot accurately calculate gravity.)

Your God that you talk about is a seperate entity. You argue that within our mind we process thought inside a 4th dimensional space in a conciousness beyond our bodies correct? Time and Space have been thought to reside in an elusive 4th dimension because we cannot rationally prove that they exist in this dimension. This is because we have nothing to measure them with, and nothing substance to test. If we have nothing physical to test on, and no underlying 'theory of everything' outside of theoretical mathmatics we have no avenue of proof that Time and Space actually exist... but do we see the effects of them? Yes we do. We have evidence, but no plausable explanation. This is no reason to automaticly jump to a conclusion that they exist in another relm. A notion that precieves "enlightenment" as extradimensional thinking has no base in reality. For all we know "enlightenment" could be pure rational thought when you have removed cultural bias, and educational bias.

Congradulations, you have prooven nothing. Even if there is proof that we process thought in a 4th dimensional space, there is just as much evidence that God does not exist as he does.

Just for giggles, why don't you also try to prove to me that he exists on a philosophic level as well.[/b]

She never explained her Philosophic reasons for god existing, nor did she acknowlege what I said.

imperialist

28th June 2006, 10:43

You've looked into this too much anyway, it's not meant to be literally taken, it's simply pointing out that a God who makes the world as it is does not deserve any respect anyway.
That's insane. You would have to show respect to a God if he indeed made the earth.

You're seriously pathetic, come the revolution, the last site people like you will see is a brick wall, the sooner you and your pathetic, ancient, paganistic, homophobic beliefs are violently thrown from this world, the better.
How violent. Stop the killing. Communism has killed ample capitalists and nothing happened to suddenly make people 'realise' how great communism was.

Forward Union

28th June 2006, 12:57

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2006, 07:44 AM
That's insane. You would have to show respect to a God if he indeed made the earth.

Bullshit, have you had a look at the world? If God existed he's not fit for worship.

imperialist

29th June 2006, 11:37

Originally posted by Additives Free+Jun 28 2006, 09:58 AM--> (Additives Free @ Jun 28 2006, 09:58 AM)
[email protected] 28 2006, 07:44 AM
That's insane. You would have to show respect to a God if he indeed made the earth.

Bullshit, have you had a look at the world? If God existed he's not fit for worship. [/b]
Have I had a look at the world? :lol: Let me tell you, the world is a wonderful thing. What's wrong with it? With the exception of impoverished communist nations its just the way I like it. But even Cuba and North Korea is OK, because they provide variety to the world. Hell, I want to GO to North Korea just to see how short sick and skinny the people are compared to me. There's the real test of capitalism vs. communism. The only thing lacking on the planet is more technology. This is why we need more capitalism to provide it. I want space travel. I want interplanetary tourism and colonisation. Communism is so backward it cannot provide this. Communism cannot even provide enough pantyhose and toilet paper. All they build are army tanks and planes 50 years out of date. Look at socialist NASA. All the space shuttles are grounded for like 2 years. Big acheivement there :rolleyes: Ain't NASA fantastic! Hell, in 1000 years we might even send a manned mission to Mars. I'll be stapling my mummified eyes open for that one. We need the de-regulation and hardwork necessary to acheive the goals we set, not larger government and more rules and red-tape that you things advocate.

RevMARKSman

29th June 2006, 14:45

Originally posted by imperialist+Jun 29 2006, 03:38 AM--> (imperialist @ Jun 29 2006, 03:38 AM)
Originally posted by Additives [email protected] 28 2006, 09:58 AM

[email protected] 28 2006, 07:44 AM
That's insane. You would have to show respect to a God if he indeed made the earth.

Bullshit, have you had a look at the world? If God existed he's not fit for worship.
Have I had a look at the world? :lol: Let me tell you, the world is a wonderful thing. What's wrong with it? With the exception of impoverished communist nations its just the way I like it. But even Cuba and North Korea is OK, because they provide variety to the world. Hell, I want to GO to North Korea just to see how short sick and skinny the people are compared to me. There's the real test of capitalism vs. communism. The only thing lacking on the planet is more technology. This is why we need more capitalism to provide it. I want space travel. I want interplanetary tourism and colonisation. Communism is so backward it cannot provide this. Communism cannot even provide enough pantyhose and toilet paper. All they build are army tanks and planes 50 years out of date. Look at socialist NASA. All the space shuttles are grounded for like 2 years. Big acheivement there :rolleyes: Ain't NASA fantastic! Hell, in 1000 years we might even send a manned mission to Mars. I'll be stapling my mummified eyes open for that one. We need the de-regulation and hardwork necessary to acheive the goals we set, not larger government and more rules and red-tape that you things advocate. [/b]

not larger government and more rules and red-tape that you things advocate.

Hmmm...if you hadn't noticed, we commies advocate STATELESS, CLASSLESS society. That means NO GOVERNMENT (aka NO POLICE, ARMY ETC) and EVERYONE IS EQUAL. I don't see big government, rules, or red tape.

Jazzratt

29th June 2006, 16:08

Originally posted by imperialist+Jun 29 2006, 08:38 AM--> (imperialist @ Jun 29 2006, 08:38 AM)
Originally posted by Additives [email protected] 28 2006, 09:58 AM

[email protected] 28 2006, 07:44 AM
That's insane. You would have to show respect to a God if he indeed made the earth.

Bullshit, have you had a look at the world? If God existed he's not fit for worship.
Have I had a look at the world? :lol: Let me tell you, the world is a wonderful thing. What's wrong with it? With the exception of impoverished communist nations its just the way I like it. But even Cuba and North Korea is OK, because they provide variety to the world. Hell, I want to GO to North Korea just to see how short sick and skinny the people are compared to me. There's the real test of capitalism vs. communism. The only thing lacking on the planet is more technology. This is why we need more capitalism to provide it. I want space travel. I want interplanetary tourism and colonisation. Communism is so backward it cannot provide this. Communism cannot even provide enough pantyhose and toilet paper. All they build are army tanks and planes 50 years out of date. Look at socialist NASA. All the space shuttles are grounded for like 2 years. Big acheivement there :rolleyes: Ain't NASA fantastic! Hell, in 1000 years we might even send a manned mission to Mars. I'll be stapling my mummified eyes open for that one. We need the de-regulation and hardwork necessary to acheive the goals we set, not larger government and more rules and red-tape that you things advocate. [/b]
....and then you take OFF your star spangled shades and you see that, yes in fact the world is shit. Then again I don't think you can take off those star spangled shades because, in the words of Creedance Clearwater Revival, 'SOme folks are born with star spangled eyes.'

imperialist

30th June 2006, 08:12

Name just one thing wrong with the world.

Janus

30th June 2006, 08:34

Name just one thing wrong with the world.
What kind of challenge is that. Death, disease, famine, exploitation, the list goes on...and on...

imperialist

30th June 2006, 09:01

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 05:35 AM

Name just one thing wrong with the world.
What kind of challenge is that. Death, disease, famine, exploitation, the list goes on...and on...
Well, lets see now. Death is a natural process which will one day be ameliorated by capitalism, as will famine and disease.

As for exploitation, well, communist regimes redefine the defininition 'exploitation' don't they? I mean no offence but isn't exploitation just the loser's word for hard work?

Rex

30th June 2006, 09:33

"losers" as in people who put in extreme hours of work for harshly inadequate pay?

And isn't capitalism the system that brings us medicines that weaken diseases instead of obliterating them, so people have to keep coming back for more and more?

imperialist

30th June 2006, 09:43

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 06:34 AM
"losers" as in people who put in extreme hours of work for harshly inadequate pay?

And isn't capitalism the system that brings us medicines that weaken diseases instead of obliterating them, so people have to keep coming back for more and more?
Nope, that's socialism protecting the pharmaceutical industry and using it as an 'authority' and hounding alternative practitioners to death. Without a humungous government there will be no one to give drug companies any authority. They will just be treated like the quacks they are if they can't come up with the goods.

somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback

30th June 2006, 13:08

:wub: fitzcarraldo

Forward Union

30th June 2006, 13:18

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 05:13 AM
Name just one thing wrong with the world.
you

Jazzratt

30th June 2006, 13:18

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 05:13 AM
Name just one thing wrong with the world.
You and your kind.
To put it another way: The kind of person that accepts supreme poverty because 'obviously' the poor aren't hardworking enough. Fucking leeches.

imperialist

30th June 2006, 13:27

Originally posted by Jazzratt+Jun 30 2006, 10:19 AM--> (Jazzratt @ Jun 30 2006, 10:19 AM)
[email protected] 30 2006, 05:13 AM
Name just one thing wrong with the world.
You and your kind.
To put it another way: The kind of person that accepts supreme poverty because 'obviously' the poor aren't hardworking enough. Fucking leeches. [/b]
Hard work is necessary for survival. Its a fact i'm afraid. The fact is the people of the third world are poor because they aren't working hard enough. How did Britain become so rich? Its workers put in 15 hours a day 200 years ago. This is to be admired, not criticised. If you want to see what happens when people start criticising hard work, visit Havanna. There are no bus timetables to annoy impatient people. Buses come every three hours. Internet is illigeal to stop people seeing what hard work and enterprise can acheive. Broken buildings don't get replaced. All for the sake of stopping hard work, or as you call it 'exploitation'. Its a disgrace.

Jazzratt

30th June 2006, 13:39

Originally posted by imperialist+Jun 30 2006, 10:28 AM--> (imperialist @ Jun 30 2006, 10:28 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 10:19 AM

[email protected] 30 2006, 05:13 AM
Name just one thing wrong with the world.
You and your kind.
To put it another way: The kind of person that accepts supreme poverty because 'obviously' the poor aren't hardworking enough. Fucking leeches.
Hard work is necessary for survival. Its a fact i'm afraid. The fact is the people of the third world are poor because they aren't working hard enough. How did Britain become so rich? Its workers put in 15 hours a day 200 years ago. This is to be admired, not criticised. If you want to see what happens when people start criticising hard work, visit Havanna. There are no bus timetables to annoy impatient people. Buses come every three hours. Internet is illigeal to stop people seeing what hard work and enterprise can acheive. Broken buildings don't get replaced. All for the sake of stopping hard work, or as you call it 'exploitation'. Its a disgrace. [/b]
I call two things on that above stateent stawman and bullshit. Strawman: a) I said nothing against hardwork. Indeed communism rewards hard work. But you already know this as you've been avoiding admitting it on the war thread. b)Most vehement anti-cubans on this board will tell you that not all of what you say about Cuba is true - you're setting up a fictional Cuba that no right minded communist would support and then nocking it down.
Bullshit:Pretty much for the reasons above.

Also: yes 'Britian' became rich by putting its workers to the grind 15 hours a day 200 years ago so that the rich could be richer. The leeching classes, the ones who REALLY don't do anything of importance or use are the ones who benefit from other peoples hardwork.

EZLN_85

30th June 2006, 14:03

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 10:28 AM
[Hard work is necessary for survival. Its a fact i'm afraid. The fact is the people of the third world are poor because they aren't working hard enough. How did Britain become so rich? Its workers put in 15 hours a day 200 years ago. This is to be admired, not criticised. If you want to see what happens when people start criticising hard work, visit Havanna. There are no bus timetables to annoy impatient people. Buses come every three hours. Internet is illigeal to stop people seeing what hard work and enterprise can acheive. Broken buildings don't get replaced. All for the sake of stopping hard work, or as you call it 'exploitation'. Its a disgrace.
How did Britain become rich? have you heard about COLONIALISM? no ?
And about people in the 3rd world not working hard enough... well what are sweatshops then? , people work hard, very hard (even harder than most people in the "1rst world"), but this is the thing about capitalism, you see... they don't get payed enough for their hard work so you can live in your perfect world and so you can have your fabolous bus timetables. <_<

imperialist

30th June 2006, 14:54

I call two things on that above stateent stawman and bullshit. Strawman: a) I said nothing against hardwork. Indeed communism rewards hard work. But you already know this as you've been avoiding admitting it on the war thread.
Communism rewards hard work? How? Becomming a hero of the Soviet union? BWHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA! :lol:

b)Most vehement anti-cubans on this board will tell you that not all of what you say about Cuba is true - you're setting up a fictional Cuba that no right minded communist would support and then nocking it down.
Bullshit:Pretty much for the reasons above.
My version of Cuba is completely accurate. You just don't want to admit it's a total failure. The members here will back me up on everything I have said about Cuba.

Also: yes 'Britian' became rich by putting its workers to the grind 15 hours a day 200 years ago so that the rich could be richer. The leeching classes, the ones who REALLY don't do anything of importance or use are the ones who benefit from other peoples hardwork.
Leaching classes? The whole of Britain is rich today thank you very much as a result of the 'leaching classes' getting rich thank you very much. FACT.

How did Britain become rich? have you heard about COLONIALISM? no ?
And about people in the 3rd world not working hard enough... well what are sweatshops then? , people work hard, very hard (even harder than most people in the "1rst world"), but this is the thing about capitalism, you see... they don't get payed enough for their hard work so you can live in your perfect world and so you can have your fabolous bus timetables.
Sweatshops are places where people work very hard and sweat :P , no doubt. What's wrong with that? Cheaper than going to a sauna you must admit. Do you get paid to go the sauna? And what do you mean they don't get paid enough? They are paid the minimum required to get them there. That's how efficient and non-wasteful capitalism is. Of course if you want to squander the world's resources, go right ahead, communism is good at that.

And what's wrong with living in the perfect 1st world? Its beautiful - thanks to capitlaism of course, not your system I might add.

Tungsten

30th June 2006, 17:15

MonicaTTmed

Hmmm...if you hadn't noticed, we commies advocate STATELESS, CLASSLESS society. That means NO GOVERNMENT (aka NO POLICE, ARMY ETC) and EVERYONE IS EQUAL. I don't see big government, rules, or red tape.
Perhaps you're not looking (or thinking) hard enough. How are you going to ensure everyone is equal and how are you going to resolve disputes without a police force or law courts? How are you going to guarantee that an army will not be needed? How are you going to ensure no one becomes a capitalist?
Jazzratt

Indeed communism rewards hard work.
How?

Also: yes 'Britian' became rich by putting its workers to the grind 15 hours a day 200 years ago so that the rich could be richer.
Yeah, I'm sure 200 years ago, no one ever had to work 15 hours a day except in Britain. What ridiculous rubbish.

Dyst

30th June 2006, 18:02

How are you going to ensure everyone is equal and how are you going to resolve disputes without a police force or law courts? How are you going to guarantee that an army will not be needed? How are you going to ensure no one becomes a capitalist?

The people, the people, the people. This is why we don't just want to topple the government or shoot the capitalists. We need a revolution which includes the majority.

Indeed communism rewards hard work.
How?

Let me introduce you to communism. Communism is a theory which states that capitalism will cease to exist (after a revolution has occured, in order to change previous positions of power, etc., or in this case destroy them completely) because it is outdated as a system of production.

Communism doesn't "not work". It's a mode of production.

Some aspects of what will revolve out of the fall of capitalism may be hard to predict. However, a system that does not reward hard work doesn't seem too practical. Perhaps something like, you and your community gets what you create.

Capitalism doesn't really reward hard work anyway. It's a hell of a harder job, for example, working from 7-17 cleaning toilets than it is to be a moviestar (or insert any other really high paying job here). Or what about inheritance...

Rex

30th June 2006, 19:39

And about people in the 3rd world not working hard enough... well what are sweatshops then? , people work hard, very hard (even harder than most people in the "1rst world"), but this is the thing about capitalism, you see... they don't get payed enough for their hard work so you can live in your perfect world and so you can have your fabolous bus timetables.
Sweatshops are places where people work very hard and sweat :P , no doubt. What's wrong with that? Cheaper than going to a sauna you must admit. Do you get paid to go the sauna? And what do you mean they don't get paid enough? They are paid the minimum required to get them there. That's how efficient and non-wasteful capitalism is. Of course if you want to squander the world's resources, go right ahead, communism is good at that.

So.....what your saying is that instead of all these people getting more money (which they obviously deserve), one person should get all the money? Tell me that's efficient, and that that's not wasteful.

Tungsten

1st July 2006, 01:34

Dyst

The people, the people, the people. This is why we don't just want to topple the government or shoot the capitalists. We need a revolution which includes the majority.
How's that going to prevent what I've described?

EZLN_85

2nd July 2006, 00:24

Originally posted by imperialist+Jun 30 2006, 11:55 AM--> (imperialist @ Jun 30 2006, 11:55 AM)
Sweatshops are places where people work very hard and sweat :P , no doubt. What's wrong with that? Cheaper than going to a sauna you must admit. Do you get paid to go the sauna?.[/b]

totally irrelevant and stupid comment I must add.

[email protected] 30 2006, 11:55 AM

And what do you mean they don't get paid enough? They are paid the minimum required to get them there. That's how efficient and non-wasteful capitalism is. Of course if you want to squander the world's resources, go right ahead, communism is good at that.

So you're saying that giving people what they deserve for their work is "squandering world resources"? that contradicts your first comment where you said that working hard is the key for getting rich.
Capitalism efficient and not wasteful? where do you take that from? in big cities ressources are being wasted all the time, and only a small elite can have acces to those ressources so please tell me how that's efficient.

red team

2nd July 2006, 01:49

Alright, let's talk about the subject of "efficiency".

Animal and human muscle power is from an energy standpoint more efficient than oil-fired internal combustion engines. Internal combustion engines have a rather poor rate of efficiency in that most energy fed into it are wasted as heat and vibrations. In fact, a lot more so than animal muscle power. So is efficiency always important when compared to the relative amount of energy output that can be used to do work? If you've answered yes then go back to the more energy efficient horse drawn buggy, while I'll stick with my oil powered car.

Further, lets talk about "efficiency" in product manufacturing. You know I always get skeptical and cynical when I hear Capitalists talk about efficiency when they're the biggest consumer of disposable luxury consumer items on the planet. But let's not simply talk about the hypocritical wastefulness of cappies, but their single-minded stupidity in coming up with ways to increase efficiency in the production process. So how do cappies judge efficiency? Would the criteria be the freeing up of resources that can go into other areas of social infrastructure like for example healthcare and education? Would the criteria be to use intellectual resources to lessen the need for direct labour so the efficiency question becomes moot? Probably not, especially with American cappies.

Instead of using human ingenuity to come up with better ways of doing things which would be the rational way of approaching a problem since semi-neanderthals first rub two sticks together to start a fire, maybe we should instead use deprivation and threats of deprivation to get less people to work harder for less rewards :wacko: . Yeah, that will increase efficiency at the expense of further human misery for workers who have to work harder for less rewards and for workers who are thrown out of work to increase "efficiency" <_< . But, as we all know human misery doesn't figure into the balance sheet and stock prices of a corporation that have just downsized a few thousand workers to decrease labour costs so it looks more attractive to parasitical wealthy investors who've never had to personally deal with the human costs of that decision.

The richest most economically powerful superpower in the world is less innovative and relies less on technology than the next two enonomic powers. This can be shown from simply counting the stock of industrial robots used in production: UN robotics survey (http://www.unece.org/press/pr2004/04stat_p01e.pdf). And also has almost half the population who are functionally illiterate: Illiteracy on the rise in America (http://www.wsws.org/news/1998/oct1998/ill-o14.shtml) America rather than a superpower it seems more like a stupidpower to me.