Is Cuba Hurting The Bolivian Economy

[WUOrevolt]

Bolivia protest over Cuba medics

This was the second protest in weeks by Bolivian doctors
Doctors in the Bolivian capital La Paz have staged a protest against an influx of Cuban medics offering free care in poor and rural parts of the country.
The doctors, whose protest included offering free treatment themselves, say the Cubans take jobs away from unemployed Bolivian doctors.

They want the Bolivian government to subsidise the national medical service, so it is free at the point of delivery.

But the Bolivian President Evo Morales has accused the doctors of selfishness.

Over 1,000 doctors are reported to have been dispatched by Cuba to provide health services in Bolivia, along with several thousand in Venezuela.

Cuba has reportedly equipped some 20 Bolivian hospitals and is behind Operation Miracle, a drive to operate on the eyes of 14,000 Bolivians with cataracts.

'Foreign influence'

Thursday's protest was the second organised by doctors from the Medical College of La Paz.


Evo Morales is a close ally of Cuba's Fidel Castro

The college president Eduardo Chavez, a driving force behind both protests, said "a fundamental social pillar such as the health of a people" should not be left in the hands of foreigners.

He complained that Bolivian doctors were not being given opportunities to join the ranks of the Cuban doctors working in poor, undeveloped areas of Bolivia - one of the poorest countries in the world.

And he said the recently elected government of Mr Morales should focus their efforts on providing healthcare free at the point of delivery.

The protest comes amid growing criticism by opposition politicians of what they say is the influence of the Cuban government in Bolivia.

'Medical inroads'

But Mr Morales has accused the doctors of acting selfishly and against the interests of Bolivia's most disadvantaged people.

Deputy Health Minister Juan Alberto Nogales said Bolivia's health indices were among "the worst in Latin America, if not the world", and were a permanent preoccupation for the government, according to the news agency Efe.

"In those places where we are supporting our Cuban colleagues there has never been a medical service," he said, rejecting the doctors' assertion that the Cubans were taking away jobs.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5108498.stm

[WUOrevolt]

Bolivia protest over Cuba medics

This was the second protest in weeks by Bolivian doctors
Doctors in the Bolivian capital La Paz have staged a protest against an influx of Cuban medics offering free care in poor and rural parts of the country.
The doctors, whose protest included offering free treatment themselves, say the Cubans take jobs away from unemployed Bolivian doctors.

They want the Bolivian government to subsidise the national medical service, so it is free at the point of delivery.

But the Bolivian President Evo Morales has accused the doctors of selfishness.

Over 1,000 doctors are reported to have been dispatched by Cuba to provide health services in Bolivia, along with several thousand in Venezuela.

Cuba has reportedly equipped some 20 Bolivian hospitals and is behind Operation Miracle, a drive to operate on the eyes of 14,000 Bolivians with cataracts.

'Foreign influence'

Thursday's protest was the second organised by doctors from the Medical College of La Paz.


Evo Morales is a close ally of Cuba's Fidel Castro

The college president Eduardo Chavez, a driving force behind both protests, said "a fundamental social pillar such as the health of a people" should not be left in the hands of foreigners.

He complained that Bolivian doctors were not being given opportunities to join the ranks of the Cuban doctors working in poor, undeveloped areas of Bolivia - one of the poorest countries in the world.

And he said the recently elected government of Mr Morales should focus their efforts on providing healthcare free at the point of delivery.

The protest comes amid growing criticism by opposition politicians of what they say is the influence of the Cuban government in Bolivia.

'Medical inroads'

But Mr Morales has accused the doctors of acting selfishly and against the interests of Bolivia's most disadvantaged people.

Deputy Health Minister Juan Alberto Nogales said Bolivia's health indices were among "the worst in Latin America, if not the world", and were a permanent preoccupation for the government, according to the news agency Efe.

"In those places where we are supporting our Cuban colleagues there has never been a medical service," he said, rejecting the doctors' assertion that the Cubans were taking away jobs.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5108498.stm

[WUOrevolt]

Bolivia protest over Cuba medics

This was the second protest in weeks by Bolivian doctors
Doctors in the Bolivian capital La Paz have staged a protest against an influx of Cuban medics offering free care in poor and rural parts of the country.
The doctors, whose protest included offering free treatment themselves, say the Cubans take jobs away from unemployed Bolivian doctors.

They want the Bolivian government to subsidise the national medical service, so it is free at the point of delivery.

But the Bolivian President Evo Morales has accused the doctors of selfishness.

Over 1,000 doctors are reported to have been dispatched by Cuba to provide health services in Bolivia, along with several thousand in Venezuela.

Cuba has reportedly equipped some 20 Bolivian hospitals and is behind Operation Miracle, a drive to operate on the eyes of 14,000 Bolivians with cataracts.

'Foreign influence'

Thursday's protest was the second organised by doctors from the Medical College of La Paz.


Evo Morales is a close ally of Cuba's Fidel Castro

The college president Eduardo Chavez, a driving force behind both protests, said "a fundamental social pillar such as the health of a people" should not be left in the hands of foreigners.

He complained that Bolivian doctors were not being given opportunities to join the ranks of the Cuban doctors working in poor, undeveloped areas of Bolivia - one of the poorest countries in the world.

And he said the recently elected government of Mr Morales should focus their efforts on providing healthcare free at the point of delivery.

The protest comes amid growing criticism by opposition politicians of what they say is the influence of the Cuban government in Bolivia.

'Medical inroads'

But Mr Morales has accused the doctors of acting selfishly and against the interests of Bolivia's most disadvantaged people.

Deputy Health Minister Juan Alberto Nogales said Bolivia's health indices were among "the worst in Latin America, if not the world", and were a permanent preoccupation for the government, according to the news agency Efe.

"In those places where we are supporting our Cuban colleagues there has never been a medical service," he said, rejecting the doctors' assertion that the Cubans were taking away jobs.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5108498.stm

[Karl Marx's Camel]

I don't really think Cuba is hurting Bolivia by sending doctors to the aforementioned country. If anything I think it is good for Bolivia. It's just important that Bolivia will see this as a bonus, and not something they can live on forever.

The only one Cuba is hurting, is oneself, by shipping doctors, 30,000 TV's etc. that the Cuban people need, who still have to watch TV programs on rubbish, completely old Russian black and white television sets.

[Gojo]

They can't be hurting anyone by offering free surgery. Only, as Morales said, the few numbers of selfish Bolivian doctors.

[Mariam]

The only one Cuba is hurting, is oneself, by shipping doctors, 30,000 TV's etc.

So...Cuba is not taking anything in return?
I mean like the kind of agreement between Cuba and Venezula..doctors and oil?

[Karl Marx's Camel]

So...Cuba is not taking anything in return?

I don't think so.

I believe I heard him (Fidel) say "we don't need it". But I cannot confirm that. Don't take my word for it. But I do believe I heard it somewhere.

If I recall correctly, it is quite common for him to say "Cuba does not need this. Other nations need this", even though a lot of Cubans need precisely this! Like the medicine the regime wanted to send to the United States. What was it, 24,5 tons of medicine? That's medicine Cubans need.

[Year: 1]

It's funny how now the Bolivian doctors want to offer free medical services after the Cuban doctors come in. Why didn't they offer their services for free before the Cuban doctors arrived? Hmmm. :wacko:

[R_P_A_S]

so fuck them? how are they supposed to make a living then? what can Bolivia do?

[norwegian commie]

This does nothing but confirm my love for fidel and cuba!
the bolivian doctors complains? i agree, fuck them. There is still people who needs medical attention. If they are not needed there, go to other countries who needs em moore.

Viva cuba!

[Gojo]

Originally posted by norwegian [email protected] 24 2006, 04:24 PM
This does nothing but confirm my love for fidel and cuba!
the bolivian doctors complains? i agree, fuck them. There is still people who needs medical attention. If they are not needed there, go to other countries who needs em moore.

Viva cuba!
that's the spirit

:cuba: :cuba: :castro: :hammer: :cuba: :cuba:

[Karl Marx's Camel]

This does nothing but confirm my love for fidel and cuba!

Cuba need those doctors.

Cuba need those 30,000 television sets.

You know a lot of cubans are upset/jalous at foreigners because they wish they had received the same treatment?

[Ander]

Some of the people posting here are pretty ignorant. You guys act as if Cuba is the best country in the world (far from it in reality). Open up your eyes.

Cuba should focus on its own people before the people of other countries.

[Mariam]

It's funny how now the Bolivian doctors want to offer free medical services after the Cuban doctors come in. Why didn't they offer their services for free before the Cuban doctors arrived? Hmmm.

Why don't they go to Cuba then??
Im sure that now medical services are needed there...maybe Cuba ran out of doctors now.

[Gojo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2006, 05:53 PM


Why don't they go to Cuba then??
Im sure that now medical services are needed there...maybe Cuba ran out of doctors now.
oh come on people, keep these "smart" comments for yourselves.

[norwegian commie]

Some of the people posting here are pretty ignorant. You guys act as if Cuba is the best country in the world (far from it in reality). Open up your eyes.

Cuba should focus on its own people before the people of other countries.

yeah, that is the revolutionary spirit!
Belive me, there is nothing ignorant or arrogant over my previus comments. I have studied cuban history and its leader fidel. And my conclusion is that cuba at least is my favorite country in the world... I even claim that cuba is a democracy! of you disagree please explain and i will.

Cuban health care is considered to be one of the best world-wide... Cubans have free health care, schools plus many good official services. Cuban need on thoose things are filled, therefor they can send doctors, free medecine ect to needing countries. When latin amerikans suffer from large skale diseases and live in countries that has bad or no health care they can be safe that cuba will help them out for free. Now cuba offers free airline tickets, staing an medical attentions to any latinamerikan with eye problems making them blind wich can be treated. In a capitalist countrie the operation would be weary expencive, and many of the treated latinos lives in capitalistic contries but since cuba looks after the workers they get the whole thing for free (imagine if cuba did not help them)

You complain that cuba sends free health care to other countries? yes, i gotta say... they are the devil.


maybe Cuba ran out of doctors now.
No, theyve got just enough to keep their people healthy. If bolivian doctors want to help go to haiti... the poorest country in the world, guess what all the countries in the UN have got there together... 200 doctors and expencive medecine, cuba on the other hand delivers 2000 doctors and free medecine.

Leftists are swift at judging leftist countries, the worst badmouthing ive ever heard about cuba was from a leftist... How sick is that? many dicide to always see the worst in all things so much that it covers up the truth.

I love Cuba and Fidel, the constant breching on human rights and awful things done by the castroist goverment is nothing but rubbish... I have seen no proof, nothing but accusations. All people can show me is a bad eksile-cuban anti castroist site called therealcuba wich bases itselvf on lies and deception...
I say again, cuba is more democratic than USA will ever bee, therefor it is a far better country! Viva!!!

[TC]

Oh, wow, they can't take advantage of sick poor people anymore, how terrible...shouldn't they just accept it as 'free market competition'...the Cubans can just do it for less :-p.

[Wanted Man]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2006, 05:46 PM
Some of the people posting here are pretty ignorant. You guys act as if Cuba is the best country in the world (far from it in reality). Open up your eyes.

Cuba should focus on its own people before the people of other countries.
Quote one person who said anything even remotely suggesting that.

[TC]

Quote one person who said anything even remotely suggesting that.

I'd say it: Cuba is the best run country in the world.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Cuban health care is considered to be one of the best world-wide...
Perhaps it is "considered" by some here and there. But is it really?

It was one of the best, probably the best in the third world during the cold war. But it should be remembered that the standards in society fell rapidly after the USSR dissolved.


Cubans have free health care

On paper yes. In real life? No, health care is not free in real life.



Cuban need on thoose things are filled, therefor they can send doctors

There is almost lack of doctors in Cuba. Cubans have to wait a long time in order to get an appointment with the doctor. A common way to get treatment faster is to bribe doctors. But that usually cost a month's or half a months salary (5-10 dollars), which many cannot afford.


free medecine
There is lack of medicine in Cuba. This is common knowledge, is it not? Neighbours will have to share vitamin tablets. It's not enough for every household.

It was like this a few years ago. Maybe that has changed by now. I doubt it though.



You complain that cuba sends free health care to other countries? yes, i gotta say... they are the devil.


If not evil, the regime is inconsiderate. The regime cares more about people outside Cuba, than in Cuba. That is how a lot of cubans perceive it.

I'll have to agree.



No, theyve got just enough to keep their people healthy.

It's just enough for people to say "there's almost lack of doctors". If they continue to send a few more doctors, it will be "we lack doctors".


I have seen no proof, nothing but accusations.

Live in Cuba. You will see with your own eyes.

In fact, why don't we take a trip together? Will you join me? Seriously. :)
I'm going in late November. Going to stay until early January. We can celebrate christmas and New Years Eve there.

Har du lyst? :)

[SmokingMan]

Well, have you thinked, that those bolivian doctors live in a capitalist country, and they need to live ?? they are, now, offering a free service, but not exactly like that... if Bolivia want to make medical attention for free, why Moralez don't just pay to their own doctors... the state pay doctors, and them attend the citizen by free... why Moralez have to pay to cubans Doctors ??
Cuban Doctors of course don't do that for free, they have a good salary, a lot more than a normal doctor in Cuba... take a look and you'll see why Cuban Doctor's wants to work in any country...
A cuban Doctor in Cuba have a payment of 30 Dollars, at most
A cuban Doctor in other country receive a payment in that country... and here in Cuba, his family receive 50 dollars, and if they go to other country for 2 year o more, they are going to receive 200 dollar for the rest of their life.
Then... that's the only way a cuban doctor can have a better life, or travel...

Thanx SmokingMan

[Mariam]

No, health care is not free in real life.

There's nothing free any where..so who it is supposed to be free in Cuba..


There is almost lack of doctors in Cuba

That's what i was talking about..
It's ok if Cuba was self-sufficient when comes to all those doctors so they would send out the overplus they have...but to me that cant be true that there is a single country that has it all in whatever field that is so it would generously help other countries...


In fact, why don't we take a trip together? Will you join me? Seriously.
I'm going in late November. Going to stay until early January. We can celebrate christmas and New Years Eve there.

:) ...don't forget to bring all those details.

[norwegian commie]

Perhaps it is "considered" by some here and there. But is it really?

It was one of the best, probably the best in the third world during the cold war. But it should be remembered that the standards in society fell rapidly after the USSR dissolved.

It is still considered high up worldwide by the UN. But a agree, the cuban society lost so much of its economy after the fall.¨But how can a country maintain its wealth when they have no marked for its items. how can a country maintain its wealth when constantly sabotaged by terrorists.

Cuba today is in a "special period" they are on their way out but the country is still under a large econimic pressure.


On paper yes. In real life? No, health care is not free in real life.

The cuban goverment pays its doctors ekstra so that they can deliver free health care. This i will get back too.



There is almost lack of doctors in Cuba. Cubans have to wait a long time in order to get an appointment with the doctor. A common way to get treatment faster is to bribe doctors. But that usually cost a month's or half a months salary (5-10 dollars), which many cannot afford.

During this special period, corruption has risen. If you want anything done, money. But in serius cases people get help when they need, and the help is free.


There is lack of medicine in Cuba. This is common knowledge, is it not? Neighbours will have to share vitamin tablets. It's not enough for every household.

It was like this a few years ago. Maybe that has changed by now. I doubt it though.

Yes to a certain point there is lack. But this has its reasons, first of all Cuba sends free medecine to countries whoo needs it. Second of all, the boikott alsoe includes medecine (wich is quite horrible) therefor amerikan made medecine is illegal in Cuba, and USA own or controll large parts of the medecine development. This makes it hard.

I belive it has changed a bit since the economy alsoe have. But the medecine is stil free.



If not evil, the regime is inconsiderate. The regime cares more about people outside Cuba, than in Cuba. That is how a lot of cubans perceive it.

I'll have to agree.

Not true.
If you analyse socialism and the communist thougts... What has to be a cornerstone? solidarity! So, they care about other people too. They dont care moore about other countries than their own or voce versa... Their politics mean that all humans have equal rights and equal right to live... Therefor we must help eachother out. In communism there will be no countries. Its all about helping the weak.


Live in Cuba. You will see with your own eyes.

In fact, why don't we take a trip together? Will you join me? Seriously.
I'm going in late November. Going to stay until early January. We can celebrate christmas and New Years Eve there.

Har du lyst?

Well as a matter of fact, me and my family and friends are going to cuba then.
Last time i was there sovjet still stood strong, ah the good old days.

Ja seff har jeg lyst!

We are a bunch of socialists/communists that belong to everything from RV to NKP, and we all have solidarity with cuba and its people. Say when you are going and stuff. We are about 12-15 people, one moore doesnt hurt :hammer:

Mvh Oscar

[norwegian commie]

Well, have you thinked, that those bolivian doctors live in a capitalist country, and they need to live ?? they are, now, offering a free service, but not exactly like that... if Bolivia want to make medical attention for free, why Moralez don't just pay to their own doctors... the state pay doctors, and them attend the citizen by free... why Moralez have to pay to cubans Doctors ??
Cuban Doctors of course don't do that for free, they have a good salary, a lot more than a normal doctor in Cuba... take a look and you'll see why Cuban Doctor's wants to work in any country...
A cuban Doctor in Cuba have a payment of 30 Dollars, at most
A cuban Doctor in other country receive a payment in that country... and here in Cuba, his family receive 50 dollars, and if they go to other country for 2 year o more, they are going to receive 200 dollar for the rest of their life.
Then... that's the only way a cuban doctor can have a better life, or travel...

Thanx SmokingMan

have i said they do it for free? i say Cuba provide it for free.
Morales or Chavez does not have to pay the doctors, if so why would he bother. The doctors and medecine are a gift from cuba in solidarity.

Bolivia, haiti, Venezuela etc pays what they can or get it for free.

by the way, the ekstra pay is to encourage solidarity work, wich is working greatly.

O :hammer:

[Janus]

It doesn't seem that surprising. Since health care isn't free in Bolivia, the Bolivian doctors are losing money due to the Cuban doctors.

I agree with Morales, simple selfishness and desire for money and profit.

[bolshevik butcher]

Yes I agree, I think that it is fantastic that Latin American countries have began to help each other out. It completley flies in the face of these free trade agreements as this kind of effort benefits the working class as opposed to the bourgeoirse.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Second of all, the boikott alsoe includes medecine (wich is quite horrible)

I think that was before 2000. If I recall correctly, Cuba can buy medicine and food from the United States. But Cuba has to pay in cash.
So now the United States is actually one of Cuba's main trading partners.




Well as a matter of fact, me and my family and friends are going to cuba then.

You're going to Cuba in late November?

If so, where are you planning to stay? Havana?

[SmokingMan]

Have you really read my last post ?? ... tell me please, anyone, if you were a Bolivian Doctor, what you would do ?? I think you really don't know what are you talking about...

Regards...

[chebol]

I think you really don't know what YOU are talking about, my touristy friend. Been to Bolivia recently?

Bolivia is the second poorest country in the hemisphere. It has some of the worst health indices in the same, and some of the greatest wealth disparities. The medical profession in Bolivia - the official one - is made up of the wealthy, and those that are trying to make themselves wealthy. It is dominated by the elite.

The areas where the Cuban doctors are going are where there are particular shortages of doctors, or where there is particular need for specialist treatment (eye-surgery - 'Operacion Milagro').

The Bolivian doctors, much like the Venezuelan ones several years ago, and the Cuban ones several decades ago, had no interest in helping the poor for the sake of any hipocratic urge. They're cash hungry, and the poor can rot. The only reason that Bolivia needs the Cuban doctors is because the Bolivian ones wouldn't do this work themselves. Despite their current bullshit about "not being allowed", the only reason they are worried is because they know what Cuba and Venezuela have done in Venezuela - revolutionise the medical profession (and society) so that it is no longer about wealth accrual. They're afraid that the beginnings of the socialist revolution in Bolivia will produce the same results, and stop their leaching off society.


http://www.cubaxp.com/modules/news/article-3847.html
http://www.gnn.tv/headlines/9595/Bolivia_p...ver_Cuba_medics (http://www.gnn.tv/headlines/9595/Bolivia_protest_over_Cuba_medics)
http://www.ahora.cu/english/SECTIONS/inter...a%20Doctors.htm (http://www.ahora.cu/english/SECTIONS/international/2006/Junio/Bolivia%20Cuba%20Doctors.htm)
http://www.bu.edu/phpbin/news-cms/news/?de...426&template=76 (http://www.bu.edu/phpbin/news-cms/news/?dept=4&id=36426&template=76)

[encephalon]

Cuba has the greatest number of Doctors per capita in the world, and has been sending them abroad for many years now. I'm not sure about medicine; and they probably do have a shortage of that.

But if anything is wrong, it's the assumption that cuba doesn't have enough doctors for its own people. They have a surplus, with physicians working menial tasks because there's nothing else for them to do. This is the economic reason why they're sent abroad; the political reason is obvious.

[norwegian commie]

I think that was before 2000. If I recall correctly, Cuba can buy medicine and food from the United States. But Cuba has to pay in cash.
So now the United States is actually one of Cuba's main trading partners.

I thougt it was still on... But the fact that cuba has to pay cash is somewhat odd. bying medecine for an entire people cash is not easy.

i listned to aleida Guevara last year, and she claimed that the boikott was alsoe covering medecine. Mabye on paper it is allowed to trade medecine but USA makes it impossible.

USA is not one of cubas main trading partners...


You're going to Cuba in late November?

If so, where are you planning to stay? Havana?

We dont really know. We are going to saty about a week in havanna and the rest we find out when we are there.

I want to go on brigade work when i am there, but the group has a few to young and a few too old so i couldnt. (brigade work: you pay for your stay and food. And you spend three weeks working picking fruit and so, and participating in study groups.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

I thougt it was still on... But the fact that cuba has to pay cash is somewhat odd. bying medecine for an entire people cash is not easy.


Apparently, it is now considered in the U.S. if cash will not be the only accepted form of payment. Perhaps in the future checks will be accepted.



USA is not one of cubas main trading partners...

According to information I have read, the United States has become one of Cuba's main trading partners lately. I did a quick search now.


Imports - partners:
Spain 14.7%, Venezuela 13.5%, US 11%, China 8.8%, Canada 6.4%, Italy 6.2%, Mexico 4.9% (2004)


CIA Country Profile, Cuba



i listned to aleida Guevara last year, and she claimed that the boikott was alsoe covering medecine. Mabye on paper it is allowed to trade medecine but USA makes it impossible.

Did a few quick searches, and came up with this (note it is from wikipedia). I will probably find more info in the future, as it has received some media coverage.


Despite the end of the Cold War and the normalization of American relations with such countries as the People's Republic of China and Vietnam, the U.S. still has a strong policy against trade with Cuba and trade is limited to cash purchases of food and medicine. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba-United_States_relations#Post_revolution_relations)

[Karl Marx's Camel]

The United States allows the sale of agricultural goods to Cuba, as long as the products are paid for in cash. (http://www.sptimes.com/2004/05/16/State/Cuba_travel_limit_sti.shtml)


The U.S. govt itself says:

"Arguments that the United States is denying Cuba access to food and medicine are baseless. Since 1992, the United States has licensed over $1.1 billion dollars in the sales and donations of medicine and medical equipment – 80 percent in the form of donations. Moreover, since 2001, the U.S. government has licensed the export of over $5 billion worth of agricultural commodities. In that same period, over $700 million in agricultural commodities have actually been exported to Cuba. "


link (http://www.usunnewyork.usmission.gov/04_212.htm)


This is from BBC


Cuban President Fidel Castro has opened the way for the purchase of food from the US for the first time since Washington imposed its economic embargo 40 years ago.

In a speech in Havana President Castro said: "We are ready, just for this once, to acquire certain quantities of food and medicine from the United States, paying them in cash."

BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1662346.stm)

[norwegian commie]

yes, i never doubted you. I just thougt i sounded strange. Especially since Che Guevaras daughter seemed to claim the opposite of this.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Yeah, ok. I understand what you are thinking...

I think we should keep in mind two things though:

The first: It's Che's daughter, not Che itself.

Sons and daughters of great people often go against them when they reach adulthood. Like, Stalin's daughter (or was it son? I think it was the daughter), Fidel's daughter, sons of royal rulers etc.

Second:
She's part of the propaganda tool of the regime (we should keep in mind, this happens in every state of the world, every state has propaganda figures representing the "good side" of its society), just like Che after his death. His face is on money, on cups, everywhere. And she will portray the situation more or less as it fits the regime.


Even though she might feel an obligation to be as truthfull to Che as he was to others, even if she is honest "by default", and even though she is an independent person with independent thoughts, I think we should keep these two things in mind...

We are both related to vikings, are we not? They might have been great at the sea, and even though I enjoy swimming, I am not great with boats... Genetics is not everything, although it could be an inspiration to the ancestors :)

[norwegian commie]

I neer suggested what you are saying.
But Ches daughter is an member of the communist party and a friend of Fidel. I doubt she would lie.

She is active in the human rights struggle and the fight against poverty.
She is not so different from her father, her like her fathers speaches appeal to te people, and are caching and eucating.


Stalin's daughter (or was it son?
-daughter


We are both related to vikings, are we not? They might have been great at the sea, and even though I enjoy swimming, I am not great with boats... Genetics is not everything, although it could be an inspiration to the ancestors

Unfair comparising, having the blood of an old people that were brutall raiders loads of years agoue does not mean you are the same. The germans are not nazis either. Father-daughter are a bit closer than norvegian 2006-viking.

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2006, 12:22 AM
tell me please, anyone, if you were a Bolivian Doctor, what you would do ??
If I was like most Bolivian doctors, I would try to enrich myself in the better-off city neighborhoods or even by moving to the U.S. or Europe. Certainly most Bolivian doctors do not practice in remote rural areas or poor neighborhoods where Cuban doctors are going.

So screw any Bolivian doctor who complains about Cuban doctors.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

the socialist revolution in Bolivia

LOL! "The socialist revolution in Bolivia!" :lol: