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Americancommi
22nd June 2006, 21:17
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/21/min...e.ap/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/21/minimum.wage.ap/index.html)

With minimum wage set at $5.15 a person working full time, earning minimum wage will make only 10,700 dollars which is 5,000 dollars under the poverty line. Congress has voted 52-46 not to raise it to 7.25. Congress was generous enough to vote for a pay raise for themselves though. :angry: I'm putting up this thread because i want to hear how you cappies can justify congress taking a shit on the poor like this.

Americancommi
22nd June 2006, 21:17
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/21/min...e.ap/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/21/minimum.wage.ap/index.html)

With minimum wage set at $5.15 a person working full time, earning minimum wage will make only 10,700 dollars which is 5,000 dollars under the poverty line. Congress has voted 52-46 not to raise it to 7.25. Congress was generous enough to vote for a pay raise for themselves though. :angry: I'm putting up this thread because i want to hear how you cappies can justify congress taking a shit on the poor like this.

Americancommi
22nd June 2006, 21:17
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/21/min...e.ap/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/21/minimum.wage.ap/index.html)

With minimum wage set at $5.15 a person working full time, earning minimum wage will make only 10,700 dollars which is 5,000 dollars under the poverty line. Congress has voted 52-46 not to raise it to 7.25. Congress was generous enough to vote for a pay raise for themselves though. :angry: I'm putting up this thread because i want to hear how you cappies can justify congress taking a shit on the poor like this.

JimmyC
22nd June 2006, 21:45
Americancommi:

FINALLY!!! YES!!!

My hard work and efforts have paid off. A commie who posts at this board is finally acknowledging the importance and power of the United States Congress, WOW!

It's about time!

And you KNEW what the Senate was! Usually I get someone write, "The Constitution and cappie laws of the United $tates are useless, blah blah, blah...

But you, Americancommi...I salute you.


Jimmy Case

JimmyC
22nd June 2006, 21:45
Americancommi:

FINALLY!!! YES!!!

My hard work and efforts have paid off. A commie who posts at this board is finally acknowledging the importance and power of the United States Congress, WOW!

It's about time!

And you KNEW what the Senate was! Usually I get someone write, "The Constitution and cappie laws of the United $tates are useless, blah blah, blah...

But you, Americancommi...I salute you.


Jimmy Case

JimmyC
22nd June 2006, 21:45
Americancommi:

FINALLY!!! YES!!!

My hard work and efforts have paid off. A commie who posts at this board is finally acknowledging the importance and power of the United States Congress, WOW!

It's about time!

And you KNEW what the Senate was! Usually I get someone write, "The Constitution and cappie laws of the United $tates are useless, blah blah, blah...

But you, Americancommi...I salute you.


Jimmy Case

violencia.Proletariat
22nd June 2006, 21:50
A commie who posts at this board is finally acknowledging the importance and power of the United States Congress, WOW!

This thread only demonstrates the uselessness of reformism. It reinforces the idea that revolution is necessary. The congress can no longer make necessary reforms and has no purpose to communists.

violencia.Proletariat
22nd June 2006, 21:50
A commie who posts at this board is finally acknowledging the importance and power of the United States Congress, WOW!

This thread only demonstrates the uselessness of reformism. It reinforces the idea that revolution is necessary. The congress can no longer make necessary reforms and has no purpose to communists.

violencia.Proletariat
22nd June 2006, 21:50
A commie who posts at this board is finally acknowledging the importance and power of the United States Congress, WOW!

This thread only demonstrates the uselessness of reformism. It reinforces the idea that revolution is necessary. The congress can no longer make necessary reforms and has no purpose to communists.

JimmyC
22nd June 2006, 22:03
violencia.Proletariat wrote:
This thread only demonstrates the uselessness of reformism. It reinforces the idea that revolution is necessary. The congress can no longer make necessary reforms and has no purpose to communists.

NO SHIT!

It has been made very clear to those at this forum that to admit that Congress is effective to changing anything of substance is tantamount to becoming restricted.

This thread is idiotic in that nearly ANYTHING passed by congress, signed by the president at presentment, and, where challenged on constitutional grounds, argued before the supreme court, MUST be viewed as sham by the regular members of this forum!

JimmyC
22nd June 2006, 22:03
violencia.Proletariat wrote:
This thread only demonstrates the uselessness of reformism. It reinforces the idea that revolution is necessary. The congress can no longer make necessary reforms and has no purpose to communists.

NO SHIT!

It has been made very clear to those at this forum that to admit that Congress is effective to changing anything of substance is tantamount to becoming restricted.

This thread is idiotic in that nearly ANYTHING passed by congress, signed by the president at presentment, and, where challenged on constitutional grounds, argued before the supreme court, MUST be viewed as sham by the regular members of this forum!

JimmyC
22nd June 2006, 22:03
violencia.Proletariat wrote:
This thread only demonstrates the uselessness of reformism. It reinforces the idea that revolution is necessary. The congress can no longer make necessary reforms and has no purpose to communists.

NO SHIT!

It has been made very clear to those at this forum that to admit that Congress is effective to changing anything of substance is tantamount to becoming restricted.

This thread is idiotic in that nearly ANYTHING passed by congress, signed by the president at presentment, and, where challenged on constitutional grounds, argued before the supreme court, MUST be viewed as sham by the regular members of this forum!

CubaSocialista
22nd June 2006, 23:00
Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 07:04 PM
violencia.Proletariat wrote:
This thread only demonstrates the uselessness of reformism. It reinforces the idea that revolution is necessary. The congress can no longer make necessary reforms and has no purpose to communists.

NO SHIT!

It has been made very clear to those at this forum that to admit that Congress is effective to changing anything of substance is tantamount to becoming restricted.

This thread is idiotic in that nearly ANYTHING passed by congress, signed by the president at presentment, and, where challenged on constitutional grounds, argued before the supreme court, MUST be viewed as sham by the regular members of this forum!
Note: From CNN

Editor's note: Lou Dobbs' commentary appears every Wednesday on CNN.com.
Capitol
Lou Dobbs says Congress shouldn't give itself raises while refusing to raise the minimum wage.
RELATED
Previous Lou Dobbs commentaries

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Without much fanfare, the House of Representatives last week voted to give members of Congress yet another pay raise, as it has done almost every year for nearly a decade.

For some reason, our elected officials decided against holding a news conference. Maybe that's because they didn't want to draw attention to the fact that they raise their own salaries almost every year while refusing to raise the pay of our lowest-paid workers.

Corporate America, the Bush administration and the national economic orthodoxy with which they're in league have consistently argued against helping working men and women at the lowest end of the wage scale by raising the minimum wage. Big business groups like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce say it will harm the economy and eliminate jobs. As is so frequent with the faith-based economics that grips both political parties in Washington, such concerns have absolutely nothing to do with reality.

For example, it's impossible to deny the national minimum wage of $5.15 is not enough for a family to live above the poverty line. The annual salary for workers earning the national minimum wage still leaves a family of three about $6,000 short of the poverty threshold.

Raising the minimum wage to $7.50 would positively affect the lives of more than 8 million workers, including an estimated 760,000 single mothers and 1.8 million parents with children under 18. But even this 46 percent increase would get them only to the poverty line. Don't you think these families just might need that cost-of-living increase a bit more than our elected officials who are paid nearly $170,000 a year?

With no Congressional action on raising the minimum wage since 1997, inflation has eroded wages. The minimum wage in the 21st century is $2 lower in real dollars than it was four decades ago and now stands at its lowest level since 1955, according to the Economic Policy Institute and Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

Also, since the last time Congress increased the minimum wage for our lowest-paid workers, buying power has fallen by 25 percent. Yet over that time our elected representatives have given themselves eight pay raises totaling more than 23 percent.

Raising the minimum wage isn't simply about the price of labor. It's also about our respect for labor. One of this country's greatest business innovators, Henry Ford, made history almost a century ago by raising the salaries of his production-line workers far beyond the prevailing wage. Ford not only paid his employees well enough to buy the products they built, but he kept his employees loyal and productive. That's also very good business.

The myth that raising the minimum wage will lead to job cuts is just that: a myth. In fact, research suggests just the opposite. According to the Fiscal Policy Institute, since 1998, states with higher minimum wages experienced better job growth than states paying only the federal minimum wage. Among small retail businesses in those higher minimum-wage states, job growth was double the rest of the country.

The House Appropriations Committee has passed a $2.10 increase as part of a spending bill, but the business lobby pressured the House leadership to hold up the measure.

"I think it's disgraceful that we waited nine years to do this," says Rep. David Obey, a Democrat from Wisconsin. "We have seen gas prices go up by 140 percent since the minimum wage was increased. We have seen home heating oil go up by 120 percent. We have seen health care go up by almost 45 percent."

This administration, our Republican-led Congress and the dominant corporate interests in this country want cheap labor. And to achieve that goal they're outsourcing middle-class jobs, importing illegal labor and cutting retirement and health-care benefits.

It's time for the federal government to reverse the trend, to at least substantially raise the minimum wage in this country, and by doing so express how much we value all working Americans.


So yes, our politicians will up their wages and further divorce themselves from the population, a dying middle class, etc.

They're boxing themselves into a world of fame, lack of discomfort, and corruption. They're more like celebrities than mechanisms of the popular will (or lack thereof...)

Reform from within a system and society so twisted, mangled, brutalized, and zombified (that is, intended for good but re-animated a la the industrial complex into a cannibalistic monster of nations and resources, unsatisified in its hunger, and with a population that is also following whatever the media says, like a zombie horde.) is almost impossible.

The only thing I don't have a total problem with is our sexual openness (well, in my area anyway) and fashion sense, in the US.



Reformism is a path that ends right where it began.

CubaSocialista
22nd June 2006, 23:00
Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 07:04 PM
violencia.Proletariat wrote:
This thread only demonstrates the uselessness of reformism. It reinforces the idea that revolution is necessary. The congress can no longer make necessary reforms and has no purpose to communists.

NO SHIT!

It has been made very clear to those at this forum that to admit that Congress is effective to changing anything of substance is tantamount to becoming restricted.

This thread is idiotic in that nearly ANYTHING passed by congress, signed by the president at presentment, and, where challenged on constitutional grounds, argued before the supreme court, MUST be viewed as sham by the regular members of this forum!
Note: From CNN

Editor's note: Lou Dobbs' commentary appears every Wednesday on CNN.com.
Capitol
Lou Dobbs says Congress shouldn't give itself raises while refusing to raise the minimum wage.
RELATED
Previous Lou Dobbs commentaries

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Without much fanfare, the House of Representatives last week voted to give members of Congress yet another pay raise, as it has done almost every year for nearly a decade.

For some reason, our elected officials decided against holding a news conference. Maybe that's because they didn't want to draw attention to the fact that they raise their own salaries almost every year while refusing to raise the pay of our lowest-paid workers.

Corporate America, the Bush administration and the national economic orthodoxy with which they're in league have consistently argued against helping working men and women at the lowest end of the wage scale by raising the minimum wage. Big business groups like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce say it will harm the economy and eliminate jobs. As is so frequent with the faith-based economics that grips both political parties in Washington, such concerns have absolutely nothing to do with reality.

For example, it's impossible to deny the national minimum wage of $5.15 is not enough for a family to live above the poverty line. The annual salary for workers earning the national minimum wage still leaves a family of three about $6,000 short of the poverty threshold.

Raising the minimum wage to $7.50 would positively affect the lives of more than 8 million workers, including an estimated 760,000 single mothers and 1.8 million parents with children under 18. But even this 46 percent increase would get them only to the poverty line. Don't you think these families just might need that cost-of-living increase a bit more than our elected officials who are paid nearly $170,000 a year?

With no Congressional action on raising the minimum wage since 1997, inflation has eroded wages. The minimum wage in the 21st century is $2 lower in real dollars than it was four decades ago and now stands at its lowest level since 1955, according to the Economic Policy Institute and Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

Also, since the last time Congress increased the minimum wage for our lowest-paid workers, buying power has fallen by 25 percent. Yet over that time our elected representatives have given themselves eight pay raises totaling more than 23 percent.

Raising the minimum wage isn't simply about the price of labor. It's also about our respect for labor. One of this country's greatest business innovators, Henry Ford, made history almost a century ago by raising the salaries of his production-line workers far beyond the prevailing wage. Ford not only paid his employees well enough to buy the products they built, but he kept his employees loyal and productive. That's also very good business.

The myth that raising the minimum wage will lead to job cuts is just that: a myth. In fact, research suggests just the opposite. According to the Fiscal Policy Institute, since 1998, states with higher minimum wages experienced better job growth than states paying only the federal minimum wage. Among small retail businesses in those higher minimum-wage states, job growth was double the rest of the country.

The House Appropriations Committee has passed a $2.10 increase as part of a spending bill, but the business lobby pressured the House leadership to hold up the measure.

"I think it's disgraceful that we waited nine years to do this," says Rep. David Obey, a Democrat from Wisconsin. "We have seen gas prices go up by 140 percent since the minimum wage was increased. We have seen home heating oil go up by 120 percent. We have seen health care go up by almost 45 percent."

This administration, our Republican-led Congress and the dominant corporate interests in this country want cheap labor. And to achieve that goal they're outsourcing middle-class jobs, importing illegal labor and cutting retirement and health-care benefits.

It's time for the federal government to reverse the trend, to at least substantially raise the minimum wage in this country, and by doing so express how much we value all working Americans.


So yes, our politicians will up their wages and further divorce themselves from the population, a dying middle class, etc.

They're boxing themselves into a world of fame, lack of discomfort, and corruption. They're more like celebrities than mechanisms of the popular will (or lack thereof...)

Reform from within a system and society so twisted, mangled, brutalized, and zombified (that is, intended for good but re-animated a la the industrial complex into a cannibalistic monster of nations and resources, unsatisified in its hunger, and with a population that is also following whatever the media says, like a zombie horde.) is almost impossible.

The only thing I don't have a total problem with is our sexual openness (well, in my area anyway) and fashion sense, in the US.



Reformism is a path that ends right where it began.

CubaSocialista
22nd June 2006, 23:00
Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 07:04 PM
violencia.Proletariat wrote:
This thread only demonstrates the uselessness of reformism. It reinforces the idea that revolution is necessary. The congress can no longer make necessary reforms and has no purpose to communists.

NO SHIT!

It has been made very clear to those at this forum that to admit that Congress is effective to changing anything of substance is tantamount to becoming restricted.

This thread is idiotic in that nearly ANYTHING passed by congress, signed by the president at presentment, and, where challenged on constitutional grounds, argued before the supreme court, MUST be viewed as sham by the regular members of this forum!
Note: From CNN

Editor's note: Lou Dobbs' commentary appears every Wednesday on CNN.com.
Capitol
Lou Dobbs says Congress shouldn't give itself raises while refusing to raise the minimum wage.
RELATED
Previous Lou Dobbs commentaries

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Without much fanfare, the House of Representatives last week voted to give members of Congress yet another pay raise, as it has done almost every year for nearly a decade.

For some reason, our elected officials decided against holding a news conference. Maybe that's because they didn't want to draw attention to the fact that they raise their own salaries almost every year while refusing to raise the pay of our lowest-paid workers.

Corporate America, the Bush administration and the national economic orthodoxy with which they're in league have consistently argued against helping working men and women at the lowest end of the wage scale by raising the minimum wage. Big business groups like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce say it will harm the economy and eliminate jobs. As is so frequent with the faith-based economics that grips both political parties in Washington, such concerns have absolutely nothing to do with reality.

For example, it's impossible to deny the national minimum wage of $5.15 is not enough for a family to live above the poverty line. The annual salary for workers earning the national minimum wage still leaves a family of three about $6,000 short of the poverty threshold.

Raising the minimum wage to $7.50 would positively affect the lives of more than 8 million workers, including an estimated 760,000 single mothers and 1.8 million parents with children under 18. But even this 46 percent increase would get them only to the poverty line. Don't you think these families just might need that cost-of-living increase a bit more than our elected officials who are paid nearly $170,000 a year?

With no Congressional action on raising the minimum wage since 1997, inflation has eroded wages. The minimum wage in the 21st century is $2 lower in real dollars than it was four decades ago and now stands at its lowest level since 1955, according to the Economic Policy Institute and Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

Also, since the last time Congress increased the minimum wage for our lowest-paid workers, buying power has fallen by 25 percent. Yet over that time our elected representatives have given themselves eight pay raises totaling more than 23 percent.

Raising the minimum wage isn't simply about the price of labor. It's also about our respect for labor. One of this country's greatest business innovators, Henry Ford, made history almost a century ago by raising the salaries of his production-line workers far beyond the prevailing wage. Ford not only paid his employees well enough to buy the products they built, but he kept his employees loyal and productive. That's also very good business.

The myth that raising the minimum wage will lead to job cuts is just that: a myth. In fact, research suggests just the opposite. According to the Fiscal Policy Institute, since 1998, states with higher minimum wages experienced better job growth than states paying only the federal minimum wage. Among small retail businesses in those higher minimum-wage states, job growth was double the rest of the country.

The House Appropriations Committee has passed a $2.10 increase as part of a spending bill, but the business lobby pressured the House leadership to hold up the measure.

"I think it's disgraceful that we waited nine years to do this," says Rep. David Obey, a Democrat from Wisconsin. "We have seen gas prices go up by 140 percent since the minimum wage was increased. We have seen home heating oil go up by 120 percent. We have seen health care go up by almost 45 percent."

This administration, our Republican-led Congress and the dominant corporate interests in this country want cheap labor. And to achieve that goal they're outsourcing middle-class jobs, importing illegal labor and cutting retirement and health-care benefits.

It's time for the federal government to reverse the trend, to at least substantially raise the minimum wage in this country, and by doing so express how much we value all working Americans.


So yes, our politicians will up their wages and further divorce themselves from the population, a dying middle class, etc.

They're boxing themselves into a world of fame, lack of discomfort, and corruption. They're more like celebrities than mechanisms of the popular will (or lack thereof...)

Reform from within a system and society so twisted, mangled, brutalized, and zombified (that is, intended for good but re-animated a la the industrial complex into a cannibalistic monster of nations and resources, unsatisified in its hunger, and with a population that is also following whatever the media says, like a zombie horde.) is almost impossible.

The only thing I don't have a total problem with is our sexual openness (well, in my area anyway) and fashion sense, in the US.



Reformism is a path that ends right where it began.

Capitalist Lawyer
22nd June 2006, 23:05
With minimum wage set at $5.15 a person working full time, earning minimum wage will make only 10,700 dollars which is 5,000 dollars under the poverty line.

Yeah, if you have a family of three. So, what exactly should one not do in order to evade poverty if making minimum wage?

Don't have kids and make sure your significant other is also an able-bodied worker bringing home a paycheck.

That isn't so difficult now is it?

Capitalist Lawyer
22nd June 2006, 23:05
With minimum wage set at $5.15 a person working full time, earning minimum wage will make only 10,700 dollars which is 5,000 dollars under the poverty line.

Yeah, if you have a family of three. So, what exactly should one not do in order to evade poverty if making minimum wage?

Don't have kids and make sure your significant other is also an able-bodied worker bringing home a paycheck.

That isn't so difficult now is it?

Capitalist Lawyer
22nd June 2006, 23:05
With minimum wage set at $5.15 a person working full time, earning minimum wage will make only 10,700 dollars which is 5,000 dollars under the poverty line.

Yeah, if you have a family of three. So, what exactly should one not do in order to evade poverty if making minimum wage?

Don't have kids and make sure your significant other is also an able-bodied worker bringing home a paycheck.

That isn't so difficult now is it?

Americancommi
23rd June 2006, 01:51
Even if you were single 10,700 would be very hard to live on. Also to Jimmy C what that article shows is congres' ability to abuse the working class while rewarding themselves. In terms of representing the vast majority of people congress is useless.

http://alternet.org/workplace/37935/

This article explains how minimum rage is at its lowest in 51 years, and how 80% of Americans supported the minimum wage raise.

Americancommi
23rd June 2006, 01:51
Even if you were single 10,700 would be very hard to live on. Also to Jimmy C what that article shows is congres' ability to abuse the working class while rewarding themselves. In terms of representing the vast majority of people congress is useless.

http://alternet.org/workplace/37935/

This article explains how minimum rage is at its lowest in 51 years, and how 80% of Americans supported the minimum wage raise.

Americancommi
23rd June 2006, 01:51
Even if you were single 10,700 would be very hard to live on. Also to Jimmy C what that article shows is congres' ability to abuse the working class while rewarding themselves. In terms of representing the vast majority of people congress is useless.

http://alternet.org/workplace/37935/

This article explains how minimum rage is at its lowest in 51 years, and how 80% of Americans supported the minimum wage raise.

Delta
23rd June 2006, 08:36
This article explains how minimum rage is at its lowest in 51 years, and how 80% of Americans supported the minimum wage raise.


If a majority of Americans support an issue, then it's almost a sure thing that it won't stand a chance at passing.

Delta
23rd June 2006, 08:36
This article explains how minimum rage is at its lowest in 51 years, and how 80% of Americans supported the minimum wage raise.


If a majority of Americans support an issue, then it's almost a sure thing that it won't stand a chance at passing.

Delta
23rd June 2006, 08:36
This article explains how minimum rage is at its lowest in 51 years, and how 80% of Americans supported the minimum wage raise.


If a majority of Americans support an issue, then it's almost a sure thing that it won't stand a chance at passing.

Loknar
23rd June 2006, 09:15
I love how these assholes vote them selves a raise,

In my city, aldermen want to raise their salaries fro 90K to 120K per year. Basically 10K per month (more than I make in a year).

Well I make 7.20 an hour so this would have been a small increase for me. But still there are people who can really use the money. Going from 5 to 7 an hour can be a big boost.

Loknar
23rd June 2006, 09:15
I love how these assholes vote them selves a raise,

In my city, aldermen want to raise their salaries fro 90K to 120K per year. Basically 10K per month (more than I make in a year).

Well I make 7.20 an hour so this would have been a small increase for me. But still there are people who can really use the money. Going from 5 to 7 an hour can be a big boost.

Loknar
23rd June 2006, 09:15
I love how these assholes vote them selves a raise,

In my city, aldermen want to raise their salaries fro 90K to 120K per year. Basically 10K per month (more than I make in a year).

Well I make 7.20 an hour so this would have been a small increase for me. But still there are people who can really use the money. Going from 5 to 7 an hour can be a big boost.

Osman Ghazi
23rd June 2006, 14:46
Wow, Commies, Republicans and even CNN all agree about raising minimum wage. Has there ever been such a consensus? Well, the Ayn Rand cultist doesn't agree but then again, hes some sort of archaeologist, so what would he know?

The US minimum wage is one of the lowest in the developed world. Americans make $5.15/hour whereas next year in Britain minimum wage will be 5.35 pound! (Almost twice as much.) They enacted this increase a year after the last American increase without significant job loss and they still have lower unemployment than the US. (According to Wikipedia). As of next year in Ontario, minimum wage will be $8 CDN, or about $7.15 US. At least individual states can increase their minimum wage, which is a Clinton-era innovation. Australian and a few West European minimum wages are around 9$US.

Osman Ghazi
23rd June 2006, 14:46
Wow, Commies, Republicans and even CNN all agree about raising minimum wage. Has there ever been such a consensus? Well, the Ayn Rand cultist doesn't agree but then again, hes some sort of archaeologist, so what would he know?

The US minimum wage is one of the lowest in the developed world. Americans make $5.15/hour whereas next year in Britain minimum wage will be 5.35 pound! (Almost twice as much.) They enacted this increase a year after the last American increase without significant job loss and they still have lower unemployment than the US. (According to Wikipedia). As of next year in Ontario, minimum wage will be $8 CDN, or about $7.15 US. At least individual states can increase their minimum wage, which is a Clinton-era innovation. Australian and a few West European minimum wages are around 9$US.

Osman Ghazi
23rd June 2006, 14:46
Wow, Commies, Republicans and even CNN all agree about raising minimum wage. Has there ever been such a consensus? Well, the Ayn Rand cultist doesn't agree but then again, hes some sort of archaeologist, so what would he know?

The US minimum wage is one of the lowest in the developed world. Americans make $5.15/hour whereas next year in Britain minimum wage will be 5.35 pound! (Almost twice as much.) They enacted this increase a year after the last American increase without significant job loss and they still have lower unemployment than the US. (According to Wikipedia). As of next year in Ontario, minimum wage will be $8 CDN, or about $7.15 US. At least individual states can increase their minimum wage, which is a Clinton-era innovation. Australian and a few West European minimum wages are around 9$US.

theraven
23rd June 2006, 16:06
1) very very few people actually make minimuum wage. those who do are mostly dependents (aka not a primary wage earner), and frankly there are few jobs that pay minimum wage. the local supermarket that i will be workign for later this summer pages 6.50, my boss at my off/on construction job pays 9 (i am unskilled), dishwasher pays 8..ui can go on, but the fact remins rarely is somoen living off of a minimum wage job.
2) the minimum wage sets the base pay for everyoen else. the reason why all those jobs, even the most menail ones, pay over the minimum is no one wants to work for th minimum. thus if you raise it ot 7.50, everyone will be wanting 8. this will cause inflation, because due to the rsiing wages companies will have to raise prices...

but don't feel bad, your commies your not supposed ot udnerstanld a real economic system

theraven
23rd June 2006, 16:06
1) very very few people actually make minimuum wage. those who do are mostly dependents (aka not a primary wage earner), and frankly there are few jobs that pay minimum wage. the local supermarket that i will be workign for later this summer pages 6.50, my boss at my off/on construction job pays 9 (i am unskilled), dishwasher pays 8..ui can go on, but the fact remins rarely is somoen living off of a minimum wage job.
2) the minimum wage sets the base pay for everyoen else. the reason why all those jobs, even the most menail ones, pay over the minimum is no one wants to work for th minimum. thus if you raise it ot 7.50, everyone will be wanting 8. this will cause inflation, because due to the rsiing wages companies will have to raise prices...

but don't feel bad, your commies your not supposed ot udnerstanld a real economic system

theraven
23rd June 2006, 16:06
1) very very few people actually make minimuum wage. those who do are mostly dependents (aka not a primary wage earner), and frankly there are few jobs that pay minimum wage. the local supermarket that i will be workign for later this summer pages 6.50, my boss at my off/on construction job pays 9 (i am unskilled), dishwasher pays 8..ui can go on, but the fact remins rarely is somoen living off of a minimum wage job.
2) the minimum wage sets the base pay for everyoen else. the reason why all those jobs, even the most menail ones, pay over the minimum is no one wants to work for th minimum. thus if you raise it ot 7.50, everyone will be wanting 8. this will cause inflation, because due to the rsiing wages companies will have to raise prices...

but don't feel bad, your commies your not supposed ot udnerstanld a real economic system

Si Pinto
23rd June 2006, 17:07
Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2006, 01:07 PM
because due to the rsiing wages companies will have to raise prices...

but don't feel bad, your commies your not supposed ot udnerstanld a real economic system
Why don't you try typing for a living?

Perhaps you'd like to explain why the companies will have to raise prices.

I guess 'making a little less profit' isn't in the capitalist dictionary.

Most 'commies' understand economics very well, we just think it's bullshit.

Si Pinto
23rd June 2006, 17:07
Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2006, 01:07 PM
because due to the rsiing wages companies will have to raise prices...

but don't feel bad, your commies your not supposed ot udnerstanld a real economic system
Why don't you try typing for a living?

Perhaps you'd like to explain why the companies will have to raise prices.

I guess 'making a little less profit' isn't in the capitalist dictionary.

Most 'commies' understand economics very well, we just think it's bullshit.

Si Pinto
23rd June 2006, 17:07
Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2006, 01:07 PM
because due to the rsiing wages companies will have to raise prices...

but don't feel bad, your commies your not supposed ot udnerstanld a real economic system
Why don't you try typing for a living?

Perhaps you'd like to explain why the companies will have to raise prices.

I guess 'making a little less profit' isn't in the capitalist dictionary.

Most 'commies' understand economics very well, we just think it's bullshit.