Homophobics In Your House...

[R_P_A_S]

My roomate is near 30 years old and grew up in a christian family. His father is the pastor of their town's church so he grew up playing in church(very talented guy) He claims he is Christian and all this which sure he is. but he ain't no model Christian let me tell you. but in general he is a good guy and i like him. we're good friends. However, he is always making remarks about homosexuals. he never calls them "faggs" or anything like that. But whenever we are watching TV and something is mention about Gay Rights or Marriage he goes on a rant non-stop. about how they are not normal. how they chosed to be gay. and how its just wrong and twisted. and they are going to hell. because "EVERY RELIGION SAYS IS WRONG AND CONDEMS HOMESEXUALS" so you can't go wrong with that he claims.

I dont like to argue. specially because I live with the guy. and It just gets very annoying how he rants and complaints! as if he wants me to shake my head and agree with him and also rant about them. I honesty share his point of view.

how do you guys deal with homephobics in your family?

[Kuro Morfos]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2006, 07:35 AM
My roomate is near 30 years old and grew up in a christian family. His father is the pastor of their town's church so he grew up playing in church(very talented guy) He claims he is Christian and all this which sure he is. but he ain't no model Christian let me tell you. but in general he is a good guy and i like him. we're good friends. However, he is always making remarks about homosexuals. he never calls them "faggs" or anything like that. But whenever we are watching TV and something is mention about Gay Rights or Marriage he goes on a rant non-stop. about how they are not normal. how they chosed to be gay. and how its just wrong and twisted. and they are going to hell. because "EVERY RELIGION SAYS IS WRONG AND CONDEMS HOMESEXUALS" so you can't go wrong with that he claims.

I dont like to argue. specially because I live with the guy. and It just gets very annoying how he rants and complaints! as if he wants me to shake my head and agree with him and also rant about them. I honesty share his point of view.

how do you guys deal with homephobics in your family?
Counter rant?

[Rollo]

Ask him why his god put sexual organ inside mens rectums if it was not inteded for sexings?

[TC]

Hit on him? :redstar:

[Forward Union]

Well, it's very hard for me to actually pin down the homophobia in my family and attack it. I know my parents are homophobic, but whenever I address the issue, they either "retreat" or express themselves in a satirical way, which if i take seriously makes me look stupid.

Winning over my household isn't something I spend any time on though. :star:

[Ander]

For some reason, homosexuality is a very tender subject for me and I get rather offended by homophobia, even though I'm not gay. When people show anti-gay attitudes I get extremely defensive and I argue back. Don't let your friend win, counter his points and try to make his argument look weak.

Something I find funny is that we know homosexuals exist because there is proof, we see them, speak to them, hear them. But how do we know God exists? When was the last time you saw Him? "Fags" seem more real than God to me.

[Ali.Cat]

Something I find funny is that we know homosexuals exist because there is proof, we see them, speak to them, hear them. But how do we know God exists? When was the last time you saw Him? "Fags" seem more real than God to me.


I love that!

Most of the time I don't understand where people come off even voicing their negative opinions on homosexuals anyways because it is very rare for a homosexual to come up and flaunt it in a straight persons face and say "you should be homosexual too!" - if that were the case than ya - go ahead and debate it. But as far as seeing it on t.v. and objecting to it - tell your friend to change the channel if it bothers him that much, but let him know you didn't sign up for any "educational - anti-homosexual" classes.

[Angry Young Man]

My parents still don't know I'm gay, but I think they'll eventually be fine with it.
I did once see an obsessive born again in Bath though. She was giving this dictatorial lecture presenting the Bible as "fact" and that other religions are "lies". Then I asked her about fanatics of other religions when they said that, she said they're lying, without a valid counter-argument. Then I suggested that all faith was a lie, and she said "I really feel something", so I countered that all religion offered was comfort.
Then, I asked her about homosexuality, and she said it's sin, because one should only have sex in marriage with someone you love, and then somebody in my philo class got into a REAL argument with her that, rightly, what if two men or women loved eachother?
The nutcase lady then said, in a more quiet moment, that "the lord" took my mother away because "he had something to offer me." Then I compared Jesus to Hitler ;)
If you're ever in Kingsmead sq in Bath, remember comrade little Leon had an argument with a fundamentalist christian!

[Zero]

I don't get why so many people have a crazy obsession about what some people do in private.

[Zero]

I don't get why so many people have a crazy obsession about what some people do in private.

[Zero]

I don't get why so many people have a crazy obsession about what some people do in private.

[greymatter]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 05:04 AM
I don't get why so many people have a crazy obsession about what some people do in private.
The squeaky wheel asks to be greased.

[greymatter]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 05:04 AM
I don't get why so many people have a crazy obsession about what some people do in private.
The squeaky wheel asks to be greased.

[greymatter]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 05:04 AM
I don't get why so many people have a crazy obsession about what some people do in private.
The squeaky wheel asks to be greased.

[Rollo]

I still maintain that the best argument is the prostate gland when arguing male on male relations.

[Rollo]

I still maintain that the best argument is the prostate gland when arguing male on male relations.

[Rollo]

I still maintain that the best argument is the prostate gland when arguing male on male relations.

[BurnTheOliveTree]

Flirt with him until he moves out.

-Alex

[BurnTheOliveTree]

Flirt with him until he moves out.

-Alex

[BurnTheOliveTree]

Flirt with him until he moves out.

-Alex

[Ultra-Violence]

Then I compared Jesus to Hitler


howd you do that please i wanna know so i can use that :D

About homophobia um i was never homophobic but i use to say lots of mean things like dude yopur "gay" or your such a "fag" and stuff but then when i met my freind roger i felt kind of bad when i would say shit like that around him and eventualy threw that shit out of my vocab. but homophobia in the family is thier and i talk to my parents about it and my mom kinda is in denial about the facts but its getting threw and my dad doesnt seem to really care. What you could do is one dday sit down have lunch and talk to him about it and tell him how it offends you and that you respect what he belives but youd rather he keep his comments to himself :angry:

[R_P_A_S]

i just realized that i had a type-error. at the end of my comment i said "i do agree with him" well I ment to say... I DONT AGREE with him. and second why do some of you want me to hit on him? LOL im not gay!

One of the things that gets him going is how same sex parents adopt kids and raise them. to me thats fine. shit! all you really need is love. and if those two gay dudes raise a child with love and provide him what he or she needs what the hell is wrong with that? or two lesbians whatever

[C_Rasmussen]

I know all to well about homophobia in my house. Ok so my family is Catholic, as am I, but unlike them I dont really give a shit what others do. My mom goes off about gays sometimes and gets really fucking annoying about it. She hears about rumors going around town that I&#39;m gay (I&#39;m not) and makes a bigger deal about it than I do for fuck sake. My grandma&#39;s worse about it and only because she brings religion into it <_<. Yes she&#39;s the traditional sort. On our way to Church last week I noticed a banner for a gay pride fest that was in our town and I was joking around with her and mentioned "Hey lets go to the gay pride fest here instead of Church" and she was like "They make me sick". I dont even try arguing with her anymore because its just a waste of time.

[Angry Young Man]

Originally posted by Ultra&#045;[email protected] 24 2006, 03:43 PM

Then I compared Jesus to Hitler


howd you do that please i wanna know so i can use that :D


It was a chance thing. Crazy lady said "Jesus had to be right because so many people followed him. He&#39;ll come back and make it all right."
Then I said "so many people followed Hitler and believed he could make it right"
She had no counter argument. Come to think of it, is Jesus responsible for more deaths than Hitler? He&#39;s sorta responsible for all Hilter&#39;s callous murder, so he must be.
O it&#39;s fun calling Jesus a nazi without fear of offending people :P :D ;) :lol: :) :cool: =D

[FidelCastro]

Frankly, I do jack shit about it. Why? because I&#39;m not gay, I don&#39;t have a stance on gay marriage. Not because I&#39;m afraid of offending someone, but because I don&#39;t care. That is one topic that I honestly don&#39;t give a flying fuck about. Same with abortion. I know exactly what I&#39;d do if I was sixteen and my girlfriend got pregnant (and it wouldn&#39;t be abort), I also feel that both sides of the abortion case have put forth good arguments but the problem is, they&#39;re arguing for different people. Anti-abortionists argue in favor of the baby while pro-choice people argue in favor of the mother. Frankly, I don&#39;t see a need for abortion when the adoption industry exists and condoms plus other contraceptives. If you get pregnant, it&#39;s your own god damn fault so you deal with it as best as you can.

[Mujer Libre]

Weirdly most people in my immediate-ish family aren&#39;t homophobic, so when someone does express a homophobic opinion, everyone in the room tears them to pieces. Fun, that.

[Lord Testicles]

Originally posted by Ultra&#045;[email protected] 24 2006, 04:43 PM

Then I compared Jesus to Hitler


howd you do that please i wanna know so i can use that :D

Jesus is Hitler. (http://www.sprengmeister.org/nsfw/jesusishitler/) :lol:

I think you should argue with him but I dont know how effective that would be.

[TC]

:huh: why isn&#39;t fidelcastro restricted?


I know exactly what I&#39;d do if I was sixteen and my girlfriend got pregnant (and it wouldn&#39;t be abort)

Uh, i don&#39;t really see how you&#39;d get to decide anything.


Anti-abortionists argue in favor of the baby while pro-choice people argue in favor of the mother.

Since when is someone who had an abortion a &#39;mother&#39;?


Frankly, I don&#39;t see a need for abortion when the adoption industry exists and condoms plus other contraceptives.

Uh, maybe cause no contraceptives are 100% effective, and maybe if you don&#39;t want a kid you might not see the point of getting fat and having your hormones messed up for nine months, ruining your body and going through labor, just you know, for the &#39;adoption industry.&#39;


If you get pregnant, it&#39;s your own god damn fault so you deal with it as best as you can.


which is often by getting an abortion :-p.

[Angry Young Man]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2006, 10:15 PM
If you get pregnant, it&#39;s your own god damn fault so you deal with it as best as you can.
Unless you get raped. Do you often not think an argument through when you state it?

[Ander]

Or a condom rips or birth control is not completely efficient. That&#39;s not your fault, you took all the necessary precautions but they simply failed.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by RPAS+--> (RPAS)I dont like to argue. specially because I live with the guy. and It just gets very annoying how he rants and complaints&#33; as if he wants me to shake my head and agree with him and also rant about them. I honesty share his point of view.[/b]

I feel really sorry for him (and you) - this guys sounds like a complete bigot, sucks that you&#39;re living him, why don&#39;t you try and find another room-mate?

As far what you should do, why not confront him? If you&#39;re worried about the effects of his reaction, why not try at first to address his arguments in a more broad, less-direct way and proceed from there? Alternatively you could confront him directly about what he&#39;s been saying and dismantle his bigoted views (sounds good&#33;).


Originally posted by TC+--> (TC) Hit on him?[/b]

Only good advice if R_P_A_S thinks he can take his room-mate in a fight - or i suppose if he doesn&#39;t want to live there anymore&#33;


Originally posted by Jello
For some reason, homosexuality is a very tender subject for me and I get rather offended by homophobia, even though I&#39;m not gay.

One does not have to be gay to be &#39;tender&#39; about homophobia, ALL revolutionary leftists should have a short-fuse when it comes to such prejudice.


Originally posted by Rollo
I still maintain that the best argument is the prostate gland when arguing male on male relations.

Er, i&#39;m not sure if centring the argument against homophobia on the mechanics of anal sex is the &#39;best&#39; approach - not every gay person has a penis or anal sex, and there is much more to being gay person - how about, arguing against homophobia by pointing out its irrational illogical basis?

That queer sexualities, like heterosexuality, are completely natural and normal human behaviour - that there is a wealth of evidence to support this, and that most arguments to the contrary are based on extremely flimsy &#39;moral&#39; precepts or standards of human behaviour or society that have no material basis whatsoever.


[email protected]
why isn&#39;t fidelcastro restricted?

He should be, as far as i&#39;m concerned &#39;i see no need for the abortion industry&#39; is an anti-choice stance, he&#39;s not talking about corporate control of abortion he&#39;s saying that because of technology, contraceptives and education people shouldn&#39;t even need abortions - and if they do, well, it&#39;s &#39;their fault&#39;. That&#39;s is not a pro-choice position.


FidelCastro

Frankly, I do jack shit about it. Why? because I&#39;m not gay, I don&#39;t have a stance on gay marriage. Not because I&#39;m afraid of offending someone, but because I don&#39;t care.

That is NOT a progressive stance to take, and definately not the stance of a revolutionary leftist.

Do you care about sexism or racism?

Fighting ALL kinds of prejudice, discrimination, structural oppression and so forth are integral in the struggle for the emancipation of humanty from the oppression of capitalism and the state.

[Ferg]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2006, 09:30 AM
:huh: why isn&#39;t fidelcastro restricted?


I know exactly what I&#39;d do if I was sixteen and my girlfriend got pregnant (and it wouldn&#39;t be abort)

Uh, i don&#39;t really see how you&#39;d get to decide anything.


Anti-abortionists argue in favor of the baby while pro-choice people argue in favor of the mother.

Since when is someone who had an abortion a &#39;mother&#39;?


Frankly, I don&#39;t see a need for abortion when the adoption industry exists and condoms plus other contraceptives.

Uh, maybe cause no contraceptives are 100% effective, and maybe if you don&#39;t want a kid you might not see the point of getting fat and having your hormones messed up for nine months, ruining your body and going through labor, just you know, for the &#39;adoption industry.&#39;


If you get pregnant, it&#39;s your own god damn fault so you deal with it as best as you can.


which is often by getting an abortion :-p.
I tend to agree with you but I disagree with 2 statements you made

the first being the one about Fidel not getting to decide anything when frankly, I think it&#39;s just as much the guys decision than it is the girl because he was 1/2 of the conception and should be 1/2 of the decision maker well, he does serve some part in the decision making process.

Secondly, I don&#39;t think the death of a potential child is worth not losing your figure for a while. Frankly, it&#39;s not a fair trade. But other than that, you put forth a good point.

[C_Rasmussen]

Originally posted by Black Dagger+Jun 26 2006, 11:21 AM--> (Black Dagger @ Jun 26 2006, 11:21 AM)
Originally posted by RPAS+--> (RPAS)I dont like to argue. specially because I live with the guy. and It just gets very annoying how he rants and complaints&#33; as if he wants me to shake my head and agree with him and also rant about them. I honesty share his point of view.[/b]

I feel really sorry for him (and you) - this guys sounds like a complete bigot, sucks that you&#39;re living him, why don&#39;t you try and find another room-mate?

As far what you should do, why not confront him? If you&#39;re worried about the effects of his reaction, why not try at first to address his arguments in a more broad, less-direct way and proceed from there? Alternatively you could confront him directly about what he&#39;s been saying and dismantle his bigoted views (sounds good&#33;).


Originally posted by TC
Hit on him?

Only good advice if R_P_A_S thinks he can take his room-mate in a fight - or i suppose if he doesn&#39;t want to live there anymore&#33;


Originally posted by Jello
For some reason, homosexuality is a very tender subject for me and I get rather offended by homophobia, even though I&#39;m not gay.

One does not have to be gay to be &#39;tender&#39; about homophobia, ALL revolutionary leftists should have a short-fuse when it comes to such prejudice.


Originally posted by Rollo
I still maintain that the best argument is the prostate gland when arguing male on male relations.

Er, i&#39;m not sure if centring the argument against homophobia on the mechanics of anal sex is the &#39;best&#39; approach - not every gay person has a penis or anal sex, and there is much more to being gay person - how about, arguing against homophobia by pointing out its irrational illogical basis?

That queer sexualities, like heterosexuality, are completely natural and normal human behaviour - that there is a wealth of evidence to support this, and that most arguments to the contrary are based on extremely flimsy &#39;moral&#39; precepts or standards of human behaviour or society that have no material basis whatsoever.


[email protected]
why isn&#39;t fidelcastro restricted?

He should be, as far as i&#39;m concerned &#39;i see no need for the abortion industry&#39; is an anti-choice stance, he&#39;s not talking about corporate control of abortion he&#39;s saying that because of technology, contraceptives and education people shouldn&#39;t even need abortions - and if they do, well, it&#39;s &#39;their fault&#39;. That&#39;s is not a pro-choice position.


FidelCastro

Frankly, I do jack shit about it. Why? because I&#39;m not gay, I don&#39;t have a stance on gay marriage. Not because I&#39;m afraid of offending someone, but because I don&#39;t care.

That is NOT a progressive stance to take, and definately not the stance of a revolutionary leftist.

Do you care about sexism or racism?

Fighting ALL kinds of prejudice, discrimination, structural oppression and so forth are integral in the struggle for the emancipation of humanty from the oppression of capitalism and the state. [/b]
On the last part, when you&#39;ve tried and tried to get through to someone and can&#39;t then its kind of useless to keep going.....kind of like spinning your wheels and not getting anywhere.

[violencia.Proletariat]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2006, 09:59 PM




Secondly, I don&#39;t think the death of a potential child is worth not losing your figure for a while. Frankly, it&#39;s not a fair trade. But other than that, you put forth a good point.

1. A fetus isn&#39;t alive

2. As TC has pointed out, it&#39;s a MUCH more difficult experience than "losing your figure"

[TC]

Ferb writes

the first being the one about Fidel not getting to decide anything when frankly, I think it&#39;s just as much the guys decision than it is the girl because he was 1/2 of the conception and should be 1/2 of the decision maker well, he does serve some part in the decision making process.

Men don&#39;t contribute a thing to pregnancy and childbirth. Genetic material isn&#39;t a "contribution" its typically just a waste product; its the equivolent of a used condom, something that you can pick up at a sperm bank, something that guys throw away without thinking about it.

A pregnancy is not some work project that you can define people&#39;s particular &#39;contributions&#39; to, its something going on in a single individual&#39;s body and since its their body they have exclusive control over it.

If hypothetically, someone accidentally planted a rapidly growing tumor in her boyfriend&#39;s body that happened to have her genetic material in it, say, a truely freak cancer-surgery accident, it wouldn&#39;t make a bit of difference that it was her fault, she wouldn&#39;t get to decide how her boyfriend dealt with it.


Secondly, I don&#39;t think the death of a potential child is worth not losing your figure for a while. Frankly, it&#39;s not a fair trade. But other than that, you put forth a good point.

Its a lot more than losing your figure for a while as was said, and in most cases its not "for a while" but rather perminantly, people&#39;s bodies are rarely the same afterwards, but even if it were the case, the idea of a "potential child" is an absurd one. Each sperm and each egg cell is equally a "potential child" but people don&#39;t think anything of wasting them...a cluster of depedent tissue is not comperable to an indepedent human being...

...but even if it were, we don&#39;t allow *real* children to have a parasitic attachment to someone&#39;s elses body against their wishes. A child with kidney failure for instance, can&#39;t demand to have its veins connected via IV to a non-consenting adult&#39;s arterial system so that they act as a human dialysis machine, even in situations where it would otherwise die. Real people don&#39;t have the right to violate each others bodily integrity, and thats the right that you&#39;re suggesting to extent to a non-person.


1. A fetus isn&#39;t alive

No, its alive...its alive in the same way that a fungus, gallbladder, carrot, big toe, etc. is alive...but thats pretty irrelevant because like those things its not capable of having indepedent interests...and even if it were, those interests would not supercede its host&#39;s.

[Ferg]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2006, 11:11 AM
Ferb writes

the first being the one about Fidel not getting to decide anything when frankly, I think it&#39;s just as much the guys decision than it is the girl because he was 1/2 of the conception and should be 1/2 of the decision maker well, he does serve some part in the decision making process.

Men don&#39;t contribute a thing to pregnancy and childbirth. Genetic material isn&#39;t a "contribution" its typically just a waste product; its the equivolent of a used condom, something that you can pick up at a sperm bank, something that guys throw away without thinking about it.

A pregnancy is not some work project that you can define people&#39;s particular &#39;contributions&#39; to, its something going on in a single individual&#39;s body and since its their body they have exclusive control over it.

If hypothetically, someone accidentally planted a rapidly growing tumor in her boyfriend&#39;s body that happened to have her genetic material in it, say, a truely freak cancer-surgery accident, it wouldn&#39;t make a bit of difference that it was her fault, she wouldn&#39;t get to decide how her boyfriend dealt with it.


Secondly, I don&#39;t think the death of a potential child is worth not losing your figure for a while. Frankly, it&#39;s not a fair trade. But other than that, you put forth a good point.

Its a lot more than losing your figure for a while as was said, and in most cases its not "for a while" but rather perminantly, people&#39;s bodies are rarely the same afterwards, but even if it were the case, the idea of a "potential child" is an absurd one. Each sperm and each egg cell is equally a "potential child" but people don&#39;t think anything of wasting them...a cluster of depedent tissue is not comperable to an indepedent human being...

...but even if it were, we don&#39;t allow *real* children to have a parasitic attachment to someone&#39;s elses body against their wishes. A child with kidney failure for instance, can&#39;t demand to have its veins connected via IV to a non-consenting adult&#39;s arterial system so that they act as a human dialysis machine, even in situations where it would otherwise die. Real people don&#39;t have the right to violate each others bodily integrity, and thats the right that you&#39;re suggesting to extent to a non-person.


1. A fetus isn&#39;t alive

No, its alive...its alive in the same way that a fungus, gallbladder, carrot, big toe, etc. is alive...but thats pretty irrelevant because like those things its not capable of having indepedent interests...and even if it were, those interests would not supercede its host&#39;s.
Men don&#39;t contribute a thing to actual physical part of childbirth but they&#39;re support givers in most cases. Men who run out on girls after getting them pregnant are the worse losers in the world as they think they can go fuck whoever they want with no sence of responsibility which, no matter what, is wrong. I can see the whole figure thing being an issue and I&#39;m pro-choice, but like Fidel said, I would want to have the baby and raise it, with or without the mother. However, my sister when she was 16, had a baby aswell and I&#39;m 16 right now (my sister is 30 now so I&#39;ve been an uncle since I was 2), and her experiance has led me to not be an idiot when I have sex (I wear a rubber no matter what). I&#39;ll go bare back when I want a kid (which I do), and my girlfriend, fiance or wife wants one too.

On a totally different note, if the Ferb thing was an accident then fine but if it wasen&#39;t, then please don&#39;t insult me that way because my last name is Ferguson so your insulting my family name. Just so you know.

[Richard Nixon]

I will respond to the OP: Homophobia and thinking homosexuality is a sin are two different things. What you have is an example of the latter, do Christians who think say premartial sex is a sin hate people who have premartial sex?

[danyboy27]

usually i try to counter this kind of attitude with humor.

[Radical]

Ask him why his god put sexual organ inside mens rectums if it was not inteded for sexings?

Haha, I'm going to use that one in the future

[RedAnarchist]

Why do you keep posting in threads that are years old?

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