Latest On America's Anti-cuban Propaganda

[Gojo]

well, I realy find this worthless bunch of lies funny and devastating at the same time. After you read the latest in the endless series of US attempts to overthrow Castro you'll find out why it's funny but at the same time there are those real backwards-retarded people who will buy this stuff :angry:



Tony Soprano has nothing on Fidel Castro

Like a slumlord who doesn't want to openly evict unwanted tenants, Cuba's dictator is turning up the heat on the U.S. Interests Section in Havana.

In the last week, the Cuban regime has cut off electricity. It's also restricting water supply. The moves are only the latest in a bizarre harassment campaign escalating for months.




These are troubling signs of how far Fidel Castro will go to counter any source that might infect ordinary Cubans with ideas about human rights, democracy and free thinking. And there's no telling when, if ever, the campaign will stop.
The United States needs to steel itself. Castro is spoiling for a confrontation. We shouldn't give it to him or close the Interests Section in Havana.

Tony Soprano has nothing on Fidel Castro. Late last year, a top diplomat in the U.S. Interests Section entered his Havana home to find it covered in excrement. It was payback for allowing Cuban dissidents access to the Internet. Other diplomats have had tires slashed and utilities cut. Czech, Spanish and Polish envoys have been targeted, too. Castro wants only foreign diplomats who protest no human-rights violations and ask "How high?" when he says "Jump."

Perhaps this explains the contradictory stance of the EU Council Monday. While EU foreign ministers deplored increases in political prisoners and repression in Cuba, they refused to reinstate sanctions that had been lifted last year. Had sanctions been renewed, EU diplomats could have faced a new round of nasty harassment in Havana.

The U.S. Interests Section, meanwhile, has fired up generators and its desalinization plant. It's also working around other imposed difficulties to get gas and diesel fuel. The processing of the 20,000 annual immigrant visas for Cubans has not been affected, so far. Those visas and support for dissidents provide Cubans a lifeline of hope that the U.S. government should sustain.

It would make no sense for Castro to close the U.S. Interests Section and disrupt those visas, a key escape valve for dissidents and disaffected Cubans. But rationality has never been this dictator's strong suit. His sole aim is to stay in power by acting like a thug, and he has no intention of changing his style.

If anything, Castro is emboldened by the support of proteges Hugo Chavez and Evo Morales. Like China's Mao Zedong and the Soviet Union's Joseph Stalin, Castro may be growing more paranoid and harsher as he ages. None of this bodes well for the United States or Cuba's people.

- The Miami Herald

[Free Left]

This article just pisses me off......Along with the rest of American media.

[Gojo]

Originally posted by Free [email protected] 21 2006, 10:00 AM
This article just pisses me off......Along with the rest of American media.
couldn't agree more..

[Si Pinto]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2006, 06:42 AM

These are troubling signs of how far Fidel Castro will go to counter any source that might infect ordinary Cubans with ideas about human rights, democracy and free thinking. And there's no telling when, if ever, the campaign will stop.

Replace the words 'Fidel Castro' with 'George W Bush' and then 'Cubans' for 'humans', and I think you've got something there. ;)

Nothing surprises me with the US/British media anymore.

[CubaSocialista]

Originally posted by Gojo+Jun 21 2006, 10:55 AM--> (Gojo @ Jun 21 2006, 10:55 AM)
Free [email protected] 21 2006, 10:00 AM
This article just pisses me off......Along with the rest of American media.
couldn't agree more.. [/b]
It's from the Miami Herald. It's about as truthful as a headline from The Onion.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Both the U.S. and Cuban regime supress freedom of speech, human rights, democracy. There is little difference really. Except that the U.S. prefer to use surveillance and censhorship on its population, and abuse/torture/killings on foreigners.

The Cuban regime however, does this almost exclusively to its own population.

Both countries have a very limited rule of law.

[Gojo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2006, 12:16 PM
It's about as truthful as a headline from The Onion.
again, I couldn't agree more.
as for NWOG; Man, give it up. I'm new here but as far as I can see, MOST of the people here don't take your anti-cuban(anti-communist) posts seriously.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Ah, Gojo, Gojo.

I am not anti-Cuban. I love Cuba. However I do not like cuban cops dressing up as civilians and beating cuban demonstrators. I do not like the lack of rule of law in Cuba. You should understand that it is okay to criticize. I care about Cuba and I want the the good things as well as the bad things to be known.

I do not think you are a friend of Cuba if you unconditionally suck up to the regime and do not care if people are abused. See? You post a picture of Fidel. It's Fidel you love. It's okay. He is cuban too, despite his faults.


I say "wow I really like Guajira", you say "Long live Fidel!". I say "I love the sense of community in Cuba", and you say "Hasta la yadda yadda". I say "I really do not like the human rights abuses in Cuba". And you go on to say "I absolutely hate that the U.S. talks shit about Fidel. The regime is the greatest on earth".

I am not anti-communist. My primary beliefs evolve around marxism.


MOST of the people here don't take your anti-cuban(anti-communist) posts seriously.

MOST people believe marxism and communism is joke.

Even if most people on this forum do not (which I somehow doubt, although it could be quite possible). What is your point?

[SmokingMan]

The USA press, and mainly Miami are shit, but the people can protest without fear... what Miami Herald say... must be a lie... but you know something they are a little stupid, because if they want to destroy Castro goverment, they don't need to lie, here is too much hearing hurtful true... they live in Miami, their interest are not the same interest of he cuban people... cubans dissidents look fr support in the USA embassy, we think that's bad, but can you tell me, please where they look for support ?? in Castro regimen ??? imposible... we live in a jail, without communications with the outer world...

Smoking Man...

[Rawthentic]

Gojo, stop thinking out of your ass. Cuba is not a great and wonderful place to love in. I like its sense of community, solidarity, health, and humanity, but I criticize its lack of freedom of speech, democracy, worker power ( shows Cuba isnt socialist), and the restriction to travel.

At the same time, I say that the US has no right to criticize Cuba on the account of abusing human rights. Capitalism and imperialism are an abuse on human rights, like the right to live a fulfilled life, have a home, eat regularly, etc. The US is a country that has introduced every kind of discrimination and holds a criminal embargo on Cuba.

[Tekun]

The Miami Herald is full of pro-American Cuban exiles who would do just about anything to regain control of Cuba
No surprise there

I think its worthwhile to note that while many of these exiled Cubans criticize the "restrictive" atmosphere in Cuba
They have no problem supporting the anti-immigrant House and Senate which create a "restrictive" atmosphere for undocumented immigrants in this country (US)
Ex: raids, persecutions, unwarranted arrests....

[Tekun]

The Miami Herald is full of pro-American Cuban exiles who would do just about anything to regain control of Cuba
No surprise there

I think its worthwhile to note that while many of these exiled Cubans criticize the "restrictive" atmosphere in Cuba
They have no problem supporting the anti-immigrant House and Senate which create a "restrictive" atmosphere for undocumented immigrants in this country (US)
Ex: raids, persecutions, unwarranted arrests....

[Tekun]

The Miami Herald is full of pro-American Cuban exiles who would do just about anything to regain control of Cuba
No surprise there

I think its worthwhile to note that while many of these exiled Cubans criticize the "restrictive" atmosphere in Cuba
They have no problem supporting the anti-immigrant House and Senate which create a "restrictive" atmosphere for undocumented immigrants in this country (US)
Ex: raids, persecutions, unwarranted arrests....

[Gojo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2006, 09:39 PM
Ah, Gojo, Gojo.

I am not anti-Cuban. I love Cuba. However I do not like cuban cops dressing up as civilians and beating cuban demonstrators. I do not like the lack of rule of law in Cuba. You should understand that it is okay to criticize. I care about Cuba and I want the the good things as well as the bad things to be known.

I do not think you are a friend of Cuba if you unconditionally suck up to the regime and do not care if people are abused. See? You post a picture of Fidel. It's Fidel you love. It's okay. He is cuban too, despite his faults.


I say "wow I really like Guajira", you say "Long live Fidel!". I say "I love the sense of community in Cuba", and you say "Hasta la yadda yadda". I say "I really do not like the human rights abuses in Cuba". And you go on to say "I absolutely hate that the U.S. talks shit about Fidel. The regime is the greatest on earth".

I am not anti-communist. My primary beliefs evolve around marxism.


MOST of the people here don't take your anti-cuban(anti-communist) posts seriously.

MOST people believe marxism and communism is joke.

Even if most people on this forum do not (which I somehow doubt, although it could be quite possible). What is your point?
look, I'm clearly being labeled as some kind of fanatic and I sure am not. What is my point? my point is that you obviusly belive most(I'd say 80%) of the stuff that's being said about Cuba in all sorts of "Miami Heralds". You at one side "love" Cuba and support it's anti-imperialistic struggle but at the other hand you clearly think that everything can't be that good there so you're leting yourself to belive at least half of the other side's story(US).
All I can say is that one has to have some bit of faith when it comes to things like Cuba, anti-imperialism, communism etc.

And, that guy that says he's Cuban-I think we all know what some people in this world are capable of and the internet ist the best place for these people to talk shit and get away with it.

[Gojo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2006, 09:39 PM
Ah, Gojo, Gojo.

I am not anti-Cuban. I love Cuba. However I do not like cuban cops dressing up as civilians and beating cuban demonstrators. I do not like the lack of rule of law in Cuba. You should understand that it is okay to criticize. I care about Cuba and I want the the good things as well as the bad things to be known.

I do not think you are a friend of Cuba if you unconditionally suck up to the regime and do not care if people are abused. See? You post a picture of Fidel. It's Fidel you love. It's okay. He is cuban too, despite his faults.


I say "wow I really like Guajira", you say "Long live Fidel!". I say "I love the sense of community in Cuba", and you say "Hasta la yadda yadda". I say "I really do not like the human rights abuses in Cuba". And you go on to say "I absolutely hate that the U.S. talks shit about Fidel. The regime is the greatest on earth".

I am not anti-communist. My primary beliefs evolve around marxism.


MOST of the people here don't take your anti-cuban(anti-communist) posts seriously.

MOST people believe marxism and communism is joke.

Even if most people on this forum do not (which I somehow doubt, although it could be quite possible). What is your point?
look, I'm clearly being labeled as some kind of fanatic and I sure am not. What is my point? my point is that you obviusly belive most(I'd say 80%) of the stuff that's being said about Cuba in all sorts of "Miami Heralds". You at one side "love" Cuba and support it's anti-imperialistic struggle but at the other hand you clearly think that everything can't be that good there so you're leting yourself to belive at least half of the other side's story(US).
All I can say is that one has to have some bit of faith when it comes to things like Cuba, anti-imperialism, communism etc.

And, that guy that says he's Cuban-I think we all know what some people in this world are capable of and the internet ist the best place for these people to talk shit and get away with it.

[Gojo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2006, 09:39 PM
Ah, Gojo, Gojo.

I am not anti-Cuban. I love Cuba. However I do not like cuban cops dressing up as civilians and beating cuban demonstrators. I do not like the lack of rule of law in Cuba. You should understand that it is okay to criticize. I care about Cuba and I want the the good things as well as the bad things to be known.

I do not think you are a friend of Cuba if you unconditionally suck up to the regime and do not care if people are abused. See? You post a picture of Fidel. It's Fidel you love. It's okay. He is cuban too, despite his faults.


I say "wow I really like Guajira", you say "Long live Fidel!". I say "I love the sense of community in Cuba", and you say "Hasta la yadda yadda". I say "I really do not like the human rights abuses in Cuba". And you go on to say "I absolutely hate that the U.S. talks shit about Fidel. The regime is the greatest on earth".

I am not anti-communist. My primary beliefs evolve around marxism.


MOST of the people here don't take your anti-cuban(anti-communist) posts seriously.

MOST people believe marxism and communism is joke.

Even if most people on this forum do not (which I somehow doubt, although it could be quite possible). What is your point?
look, I'm clearly being labeled as some kind of fanatic and I sure am not. What is my point? my point is that you obviusly belive most(I'd say 80%) of the stuff that's being said about Cuba in all sorts of "Miami Heralds". You at one side "love" Cuba and support it's anti-imperialistic struggle but at the other hand you clearly think that everything can't be that good there so you're leting yourself to belive at least half of the other side's story(US).
All I can say is that one has to have some bit of faith when it comes to things like Cuba, anti-imperialism, communism etc.

And, that guy that says he's Cuban-I think we all know what some people in this world are capable of and the internet ist the best place for these people to talk shit and get away with it.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

my point is that you obviusly belive most(I'd say 80%) of the stuff that's being said about Cuba in all sorts of "Miami Heralds"

I never read Miami Heralds. What is your problem? :rolleyes:

Why do you always assume that just because someone is critical, means that they are rightwing, or reads rightwing media?

I will mention what I have in my news section in my bookmarks:

* Latin American News on Yahoo News

* Project for the OLD American Century

* Cuba Trajabadores English

* Latin American News Agency Prensa Latina

* Cuba - La Jiribilla

That is all. No Miami Herlands. Okay???



You at one side "love" Cuba and support it's anti-imperialistic struggle but at the other hand you clearly think that everything can't be that good there so you're leting yourself to belive at least half of the other side's story(US).

"Can't be so good there"?
Why do you not live in Cuba for a few years? Why don't you get a citizenship?

I'm sure it would be fun the first months, perhaps the first year, but then you get a house and invite Redstar2000. Then the immigration police come to your door. So you get 1000 dollars in a fine for letting a foreigner stay with you. And then the second time, when you invite LSD, they take your house.

That's not very fun.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

my point is that you obviusly belive most(I'd say 80%) of the stuff that's being said about Cuba in all sorts of "Miami Heralds"

I never read Miami Heralds. What is your problem? :rolleyes:

Why do you always assume that just because someone is critical, means that they are rightwing, or reads rightwing media?

I will mention what I have in my news section in my bookmarks:

* Latin American News on Yahoo News

* Project for the OLD American Century

* Cuba Trajabadores English

* Latin American News Agency Prensa Latina

* Cuba - La Jiribilla

That is all. No Miami Herlands. Okay???



You at one side "love" Cuba and support it's anti-imperialistic struggle but at the other hand you clearly think that everything can't be that good there so you're leting yourself to belive at least half of the other side's story(US).

"Can't be so good there"?
Why do you not live in Cuba for a few years? Why don't you get a citizenship?

I'm sure it would be fun the first months, perhaps the first year, but then you get a house and invite Redstar2000. Then the immigration police come to your door. So you get 1000 dollars in a fine for letting a foreigner stay with you. And then the second time, when you invite LSD, they take your house.

That's not very fun.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

my point is that you obviusly belive most(I'd say 80%) of the stuff that's being said about Cuba in all sorts of "Miami Heralds"

I never read Miami Heralds. What is your problem? :rolleyes:

Why do you always assume that just because someone is critical, means that they are rightwing, or reads rightwing media?

I will mention what I have in my news section in my bookmarks:

* Latin American News on Yahoo News

* Project for the OLD American Century

* Cuba Trajabadores English

* Latin American News Agency Prensa Latina

* Cuba - La Jiribilla

That is all. No Miami Herlands. Okay???



You at one side "love" Cuba and support it's anti-imperialistic struggle but at the other hand you clearly think that everything can't be that good there so you're leting yourself to belive at least half of the other side's story(US).

"Can't be so good there"?
Why do you not live in Cuba for a few years? Why don't you get a citizenship?

I'm sure it would be fun the first months, perhaps the first year, but then you get a house and invite Redstar2000. Then the immigration police come to your door. So you get 1000 dollars in a fine for letting a foreigner stay with you. And then the second time, when you invite LSD, they take your house.

That's not very fun.

[SmokingMan]

And, that guy that says he's Cuban-I think we all know what some people in this world are capable of and the internet ist the best place for these people to talk shit and get away with it.

Well, GOJO, how can i tell you, that i don't have to demostrated you, tha't i'm cuban, and i live in cuba... you know what ?? beacuse everything i have told here, is the pure reallity, i have my arguments, and i could tell you whatever you want to know about Cuba... of course Internet is the best place to talk shit... anyone could see that just reading your posts...
If I'm in revleft, is because we need help, cubans need help, need the entire world know that our rights are violated in this regimen, you believe is great... we need that all the world know why Cuba always win in United Nations when are voting against blockade, because obviusly, the majority of the countries know blockade is bad for cubans... but have you ever thinked, why Cuba always lose when they are voting about Human Rights, because obviusly, the majority of the countries know cubans have not human rights...
fi you want to know more about cuba, please refer to "The reality of Cuba" debate

And please, understand, Lenin fuck this world... mainly cuba and all the countries in the USSR.

SmokingMan...
"no more dictatorships..."

[SmokingMan]

And, that guy that says he's Cuban-I think we all know what some people in this world are capable of and the internet ist the best place for these people to talk shit and get away with it.

Well, GOJO, how can i tell you, that i don't have to demostrated you, tha't i'm cuban, and i live in cuba... you know what ?? beacuse everything i have told here, is the pure reallity, i have my arguments, and i could tell you whatever you want to know about Cuba... of course Internet is the best place to talk shit... anyone could see that just reading your posts...
If I'm in revleft, is because we need help, cubans need help, need the entire world know that our rights are violated in this regimen, you believe is great... we need that all the world know why Cuba always win in United Nations when are voting against blockade, because obviusly, the majority of the countries know blockade is bad for cubans... but have you ever thinked, why Cuba always lose when they are voting about Human Rights, because obviusly, the majority of the countries know cubans have not human rights...
fi you want to know more about cuba, please refer to "The reality of Cuba" debate

And please, understand, Lenin fuck this world... mainly cuba and all the countries in the USSR.

SmokingMan...
"no more dictatorships..."

[SmokingMan]

And, that guy that says he's Cuban-I think we all know what some people in this world are capable of and the internet ist the best place for these people to talk shit and get away with it.

Well, GOJO, how can i tell you, that i don't have to demostrated you, tha't i'm cuban, and i live in cuba... you know what ?? beacuse everything i have told here, is the pure reallity, i have my arguments, and i could tell you whatever you want to know about Cuba... of course Internet is the best place to talk shit... anyone could see that just reading your posts...
If I'm in revleft, is because we need help, cubans need help, need the entire world know that our rights are violated in this regimen, you believe is great... we need that all the world know why Cuba always win in United Nations when are voting against blockade, because obviusly, the majority of the countries know blockade is bad for cubans... but have you ever thinked, why Cuba always lose when they are voting about Human Rights, because obviusly, the majority of the countries know cubans have not human rights...
fi you want to know more about cuba, please refer to "The reality of Cuba" debate

And please, understand, Lenin fuck this world... mainly cuba and all the countries in the USSR.

SmokingMan...
"no more dictatorships..."

[BurnTheOliveTree]

It is a well known fact that Cuba does not have democratic elections, Fidel cheats. I sympathise with Cuba much more than the U.S, but if we don't fight fair, we will be dismissed as lunatics. NWOG, you were basically correct I think. Sometimes we all get a little bit too strident in our defence of Fidel.

-Alex

[BurnTheOliveTree]

It is a well known fact that Cuba does not have democratic elections, Fidel cheats. I sympathise with Cuba much more than the U.S, but if we don't fight fair, we will be dismissed as lunatics. NWOG, you were basically correct I think. Sometimes we all get a little bit too strident in our defence of Fidel.

-Alex

[BurnTheOliveTree]

It is a well known fact that Cuba does not have democratic elections, Fidel cheats. I sympathise with Cuba much more than the U.S, but if we don't fight fair, we will be dismissed as lunatics. NWOG, you were basically correct I think. Sometimes we all get a little bit too strident in our defence of Fidel.

-Alex

[Si Pinto]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 09:14 AM

Why do you always assume that just because someone is critical, means that they are rightwing?


NWOG, I agree with you, unfortunately this forum has too many people in it who come up with comments like that.

They fail to see that such comments actually proves the point that the person critisising is making.

As I've said before, capitalist society hates communism, or even a faint smell of communism, and it will do whatever it takes to isolate, undermine and then destroy it utterly.

Cuba has been in this position ever since Fidel marched into Havana in 1959. The US has never and will never cease in it's attempts to destroy Cuba whilst Fidel and his regime is in charge.

When you are faced with a constant threat, one which is looking to destroy you, you have two options either, 'ride' out to meet the threat (not very plausible in Cuba's case) or you 'close the doors' and 'bar yourself in'.

Once you've barred yourself in, there is a tendency to see 'everyone' as a potential threat, and to become rather paranoid about it (just ask Stalin).

Fidel, in attempting to maintain control of Cuba in this 'enclosed' state, has instead alientated parts of the population.

To be honest, I think he probably knows it as well. He didn't set out in the Granma, to 'hurt' Cuba, or Cubans, he set out to emancipate them, but as I've said before, Socialism in one country just doesn't work, not because it can't, but because capitalism won't let it.

I'm not sure what the answer is with regards to Cuba, whether they will hold elections when Fidel dies, or simply replace him, in which case the scenario will continue.

Only you guys actually in (or around) Cuba, with your ears to the ground will know that one.

[Si Pinto]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 09:14 AM

Why do you always assume that just because someone is critical, means that they are rightwing?


NWOG, I agree with you, unfortunately this forum has too many people in it who come up with comments like that.

They fail to see that such comments actually proves the point that the person critisising is making.

As I've said before, capitalist society hates communism, or even a faint smell of communism, and it will do whatever it takes to isolate, undermine and then destroy it utterly.

Cuba has been in this position ever since Fidel marched into Havana in 1959. The US has never and will never cease in it's attempts to destroy Cuba whilst Fidel and his regime is in charge.

When you are faced with a constant threat, one which is looking to destroy you, you have two options either, 'ride' out to meet the threat (not very plausible in Cuba's case) or you 'close the doors' and 'bar yourself in'.

Once you've barred yourself in, there is a tendency to see 'everyone' as a potential threat, and to become rather paranoid about it (just ask Stalin).

Fidel, in attempting to maintain control of Cuba in this 'enclosed' state, has instead alientated parts of the population.

To be honest, I think he probably knows it as well. He didn't set out in the Granma, to 'hurt' Cuba, or Cubans, he set out to emancipate them, but as I've said before, Socialism in one country just doesn't work, not because it can't, but because capitalism won't let it.

I'm not sure what the answer is with regards to Cuba, whether they will hold elections when Fidel dies, or simply replace him, in which case the scenario will continue.

Only you guys actually in (or around) Cuba, with your ears to the ground will know that one.

[Si Pinto]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 09:14 AM

Why do you always assume that just because someone is critical, means that they are rightwing?


NWOG, I agree with you, unfortunately this forum has too many people in it who come up with comments like that.

They fail to see that such comments actually proves the point that the person critisising is making.

As I've said before, capitalist society hates communism, or even a faint smell of communism, and it will do whatever it takes to isolate, undermine and then destroy it utterly.

Cuba has been in this position ever since Fidel marched into Havana in 1959. The US has never and will never cease in it's attempts to destroy Cuba whilst Fidel and his regime is in charge.

When you are faced with a constant threat, one which is looking to destroy you, you have two options either, 'ride' out to meet the threat (not very plausible in Cuba's case) or you 'close the doors' and 'bar yourself in'.

Once you've barred yourself in, there is a tendency to see 'everyone' as a potential threat, and to become rather paranoid about it (just ask Stalin).

Fidel, in attempting to maintain control of Cuba in this 'enclosed' state, has instead alientated parts of the population.

To be honest, I think he probably knows it as well. He didn't set out in the Granma, to 'hurt' Cuba, or Cubans, he set out to emancipate them, but as I've said before, Socialism in one country just doesn't work, not because it can't, but because capitalism won't let it.

I'm not sure what the answer is with regards to Cuba, whether they will hold elections when Fidel dies, or simply replace him, in which case the scenario will continue.

Only you guys actually in (or around) Cuba, with your ears to the ground will know that one.

[Gojo]

Originally posted by Si [email protected] 22 2006, 10:07 AM


Socialism in one country just doesn't work, not because it can't, but because capitalism won't let it.

good point.
though still I say:

[Gojo]

Originally posted by Si [email protected] 22 2006, 10:07 AM


Socialism in one country just doesn't work, not because it can't, but because capitalism won't let it.

good point.
though still I say:

[Gojo]

Originally posted by Si [email protected] 22 2006, 10:07 AM


Socialism in one country just doesn't work, not because it can't, but because capitalism won't let it.

good point.
though still I say:

[Karl Marx's Camel]

though still I say:

Why?

What is so great about Raúl? What is so great about staying in power until you become a senile old fart?

[Karl Marx's Camel]

though still I say:

Why?

What is so great about Raúl? What is so great about staying in power until you become a senile old fart?

[Karl Marx's Camel]

though still I say:

Why?

What is so great about Raúl? What is so great about staying in power until you become a senile old fart?

[Gojo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2006, 12:44 PM

though still I say:

Why?

What is so great about Raúl? What is so great about staying in power until you become a senile old fart?
I explained all my opinions and beliefs and you found it all worthless and wrong so I see no reason to continue this discussion.

[Gojo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2006, 12:44 PM

though still I say:

Why?

What is so great about Raúl? What is so great about staying in power until you become a senile old fart?
I explained all my opinions and beliefs and you found it all worthless and wrong so I see no reason to continue this discussion.

[Gojo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2006, 12:44 PM

though still I say:

Why?

What is so great about Raúl? What is so great about staying in power until you become a senile old fart?
I explained all my opinions and beliefs and you found it all worthless and wrong so I see no reason to continue this discussion.