Will Ccp Long Live?

[yongmanlian]

Will the Chinese Communist Party long live?

[OneBrickOneVoice]

What's the CCP

[yongmanlian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2006, 05:37 AM
What's the CCP
How do you like the Chinese Communist Party?

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

How do you like the Chinese Communist Party?

Its not communist anymore.

Just the name for some reason.

I dont like the CCP anymore than the Republican party etc.

Burn all politicians!

[kaaos_af]

I hate it worse than the Russian government, but not as much as the American. I hope to see the collapse of the United States and then the PRC.

[yongmanlian]

Burn CCPHOW TO Burn CCP?

[OneBrickOneVoice]

I hate it. China is now capitalist and totalitarian yet capitalists still claim all the brutal acts to human rights are done by communists because the CCP is still in charge.

[WUOrevolt]

China was never even socialist, it was just one big Mao worshipping cult.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

point is that most capitalists don't recognize that and just continue to claim that all the atrocities are communist.

[bolshevik butcher]

The way I see it, either the capitalists will continue to work inside the CPCand the bueraucracy of the CCP will ascend fully into the new bourgeoirse and turn the CCP into a new kimantang style natioanlist party. Or alternativley the bourgeoirse elements outside the CCP will create there own party and smash the CPC.

[Cheung Mo]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 21 2006, 05:00 PM
The way I see it, either the capitalists will continue to work inside the CPCand the bueraucracy of the CCP will ascend fully into the new bourgeoirse and turn the CCP into a new kimantang style natioanlist party. Or alternativley the bourgeoirse elements outside the CCP will create there own party and smash the CPC.
The new KMT thing has already happened...Look at the relationship between the CCP and the far-right pro-unification parties (KMT, PFP, etc...) on Ilha Formosa. The Taiwanese right no longer talks of reconquering the Fatherland: Both the CCP and Taiwan's pan-blue now have a goal of unifying both China and Taiwan and the KMT and CCP elite, leading to a repressive, crony-capitalist ruling class.

The U.S. government, for all its bluster about protecting Taiwan from "communist" imperialism, knows that is big business multi-national backers have ties to the CCP and depend on their cronies in Beijing for cheap, overseas labour, and is probably a Helluva friendlier with Beijing than they are willing to let on.

[Tickin' TimebOmb John]

i was once told of a conspiricy theory that suggested that the extreme capitalist nature of the CCP today is jus a plan from Communists within the party to accelarate China thru the capitalist stage of development that Marx said was neccesary, and when the time is right will begin to impletment socialist policies. its almost certainly bollocks, bt interstin idea non the less. the CCP of today is in no way communist, and it never was.

[Janus]

China was never even socialist, it was just one big Mao worshipping cult.
How was China not a socialist state before? The Mao cult only began in earnest during the Cultural Revolution.


The Taiwanese right no longer talks of reconquering the Fatherland
They stopped that once Jiang Jieshi died.


Both the CCP and Taiwan's pan-blue now have a goal of unifying both China and Taiwan and the KMT and CCP elite, leading to a repressive, crony-capitalist ruling class.
That may have occured before but the new Taiwanese president will definitely not allow it.


the CCP of today is in no way communist, and it never was.
Maybe before Mao became the leader but you're right, it's no longer communist now.

[Janus]

China was never even socialist, it was just one big Mao worshipping cult.
How was China not a socialist state before? The Mao cult only began in earnest during the Cultural Revolution.


The Taiwanese right no longer talks of reconquering the Fatherland
They stopped that once Jiang Jieshi died.


Both the CCP and Taiwan's pan-blue now have a goal of unifying both China and Taiwan and the KMT and CCP elite, leading to a repressive, crony-capitalist ruling class.
That may have occured before but the new Taiwanese president will definitely not allow it.


the CCP of today is in no way communist, and it never was.
Maybe before Mao became the leader but you're right, it's no longer communist now.

[Janus]

China was never even socialist, it was just one big Mao worshipping cult.
How was China not a socialist state before? The Mao cult only began in earnest during the Cultural Revolution.


The Taiwanese right no longer talks of reconquering the Fatherland
They stopped that once Jiang Jieshi died.


Both the CCP and Taiwan's pan-blue now have a goal of unifying both China and Taiwan and the KMT and CCP elite, leading to a repressive, crony-capitalist ruling class.
That may have occured before but the new Taiwanese president will definitely not allow it.


the CCP of today is in no way communist, and it never was.
Maybe before Mao became the leader but you're right, it's no longer communist now.

[Tickin' TimebOmb John]

Maybe before Mao became the leader
yeh ure right
i shld have said whilst in power.

[Tickin' TimebOmb John]

Maybe before Mao became the leader
yeh ure right
i shld have said whilst in power.

[Tickin' TimebOmb John]

Maybe before Mao became the leader
yeh ure right
i shld have said whilst in power.

[Dreckt]

How was China not a socialist state before?

China was certainly not a democratic socialist state.


That may have occured before but the new Taiwanese president will definitely not allow it.

Why not? The Laos nationalist rebels have given up their fight against the government, they have even joined them. Sooner or later, Taiwan will become so capitalist that it won't matter what the government is, or who controls it.

[Dreckt]

How was China not a socialist state before?

China was certainly not a democratic socialist state.


That may have occured before but the new Taiwanese president will definitely not allow it.

Why not? The Laos nationalist rebels have given up their fight against the government, they have even joined them. Sooner or later, Taiwan will become so capitalist that it won't matter what the government is, or who controls it.

[Dreckt]

How was China not a socialist state before?

China was certainly not a democratic socialist state.


That may have occured before but the new Taiwanese president will definitely not allow it.

Why not? The Laos nationalist rebels have given up their fight against the government, they have even joined them. Sooner or later, Taiwan will become so capitalist that it won't matter what the government is, or who controls it.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Its not communist anymore.


Was it ever?

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Its not communist anymore.


Was it ever?

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Its not communist anymore.


Was it ever?

[Dreckt]

No government was ever communist, because that is exactly like imagening a rectangular circle. Oh well, sure, it is possible to be a government in communism, the question is if anyone would ever listen to such a government, or what they would do if people didn't.

It would be a completely useless institution.

[Dreckt]

No government was ever communist, because that is exactly like imagening a rectangular circle. Oh well, sure, it is possible to be a government in communism, the question is if anyone would ever listen to such a government, or what they would do if people didn't.

It would be a completely useless institution.

[Dreckt]

No government was ever communist, because that is exactly like imagening a rectangular circle. Oh well, sure, it is possible to be a government in communism, the question is if anyone would ever listen to such a government, or what they would do if people didn't.

It would be a completely useless institution.

[farleft]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 03:15 PM
No government was ever communist, because that is exactly like imagening a rectangular circle. Oh well, sure, it is possible to be a government in communism, the question is if anyone would ever listen to such a government, or what they would do if people didn't.

It would be a completely useless institution.
rectangular circle

You have hit the nail on the head there comrade.

[farleft]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 03:15 PM
No government was ever communist, because that is exactly like imagening a rectangular circle. Oh well, sure, it is possible to be a government in communism, the question is if anyone would ever listen to such a government, or what they would do if people didn't.

It would be a completely useless institution.
rectangular circle

You have hit the nail on the head there comrade.

[farleft]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 03:15 PM
No government was ever communist, because that is exactly like imagening a rectangular circle. Oh well, sure, it is possible to be a government in communism, the question is if anyone would ever listen to such a government, or what they would do if people didn't.

It would be a completely useless institution.
rectangular circle

You have hit the nail on the head there comrade.

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Janus:


How was China not a socialist state before?

Because the working class did not seize powere; we merely had a military take-over by CCP forces.

Classic form of substitutionsm, as I have told you before (justified by dialectics!).

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Janus:


How was China not a socialist state before?

Because the working class did not seize powere; we merely had a military take-over by CCP forces.

Classic form of substitutionsm, as I have told you before (justified by dialectics!).

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Janus:


How was China not a socialist state before?

Because the working class did not seize powere; we merely had a military take-over by CCP forces.

Classic form of substitutionsm, as I have told you before (justified by dialectics!).

[Comrade Don]

Communism died in china when Mao died, all these MYTHS about a personality cult are just that a myth.

If people truly admire a individual then how can it be a cult? No matter what the circumstances people are always going to label such things as a cult. I mean give me a break.

Here is a prime example , I have a picture of my girlfriend in my wallet, now if a thousand ppl carried the same picture it would be labeled as a cult.

Every anarchist tries to bury communism at every turn and its sickening.

[Comrade Don]

Communism died in china when Mao died, all these MYTHS about a personality cult are just that a myth.

If people truly admire a individual then how can it be a cult? No matter what the circumstances people are always going to label such things as a cult. I mean give me a break.

Here is a prime example , I have a picture of my girlfriend in my wallet, now if a thousand ppl carried the same picture it would be labeled as a cult.

Every anarchist tries to bury communism at every turn and its sickening.

[Comrade Don]

Communism died in china when Mao died, all these MYTHS about a personality cult are just that a myth.

If people truly admire a individual then how can it be a cult? No matter what the circumstances people are always going to label such things as a cult. I mean give me a break.

Here is a prime example , I have a picture of my girlfriend in my wallet, now if a thousand ppl carried the same picture it would be labeled as a cult.

Every anarchist tries to bury communism at every turn and its sickening.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Communism died in china when Mao died

A society doesn't automatically die when a leader dies.

If the people had been in power, the leaders death would be more of a pimple in society's face than anything else.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Communism died in china when Mao died

A society doesn't automatically die when a leader dies.

If the people had been in power, the leaders death would be more of a pimple in society's face than anything else.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Communism died in china when Mao died

A society doesn't automatically die when a leader dies.

If the people had been in power, the leaders death would be more of a pimple in society's face than anything else.

[LSD]

Will the Chinese Communist Party long live?

Probably.

It's grip on China's political sphere is remarkably tight, even if its grip on the economic one has been progressivewly loosening.


i was once told of a conspiricy theory that suggested that the extreme capitalist nature of the CCP today is jus a plan from Communists within the party to accelarate China thru the capitalist stage of development that Marx said was neccesary, and when the time is right will begin to impletment socialist policies.

Even if that were true in '76 (which it almost certainly wasn't), it definitely isn't true today. The bigwigs and bureaucrats of the CCP have made far too much money from this "new economy" to turn things back now.

No, the PRC is moving in one and only one direction and that is straight towards gangster capitalism.

But who knows! Maybe in fifty or so years, once the red flags and yellow stars have come down, people will finally begin to understand what a real communist revolution is about.

China is still adapting to capitalism, let alone "socialism" so it's going to be quite some time to come before communism becomes a viable option. Still, though, that time will come eventually. :)


Communism died in china when Mao died

A "communism" which is dependent on the "iron will" of a single individual is not communism at all.

[LSD]

Will the Chinese Communist Party long live?

Probably.

It's grip on China's political sphere is remarkably tight, even if its grip on the economic one has been progressivewly loosening.


i was once told of a conspiricy theory that suggested that the extreme capitalist nature of the CCP today is jus a plan from Communists within the party to accelarate China thru the capitalist stage of development that Marx said was neccesary, and when the time is right will begin to impletment socialist policies.

Even if that were true in '76 (which it almost certainly wasn't), it definitely isn't true today. The bigwigs and bureaucrats of the CCP have made far too much money from this "new economy" to turn things back now.

No, the PRC is moving in one and only one direction and that is straight towards gangster capitalism.

But who knows! Maybe in fifty or so years, once the red flags and yellow stars have come down, people will finally begin to understand what a real communist revolution is about.

China is still adapting to capitalism, let alone "socialism" so it's going to be quite some time to come before communism becomes a viable option. Still, though, that time will come eventually. :)


Communism died in china when Mao died

A "communism" which is dependent on the "iron will" of a single individual is not communism at all.

[LSD]

Will the Chinese Communist Party long live?

Probably.

It's grip on China's political sphere is remarkably tight, even if its grip on the economic one has been progressivewly loosening.


i was once told of a conspiricy theory that suggested that the extreme capitalist nature of the CCP today is jus a plan from Communists within the party to accelarate China thru the capitalist stage of development that Marx said was neccesary, and when the time is right will begin to impletment socialist policies.

Even if that were true in '76 (which it almost certainly wasn't), it definitely isn't true today. The bigwigs and bureaucrats of the CCP have made far too much money from this "new economy" to turn things back now.

No, the PRC is moving in one and only one direction and that is straight towards gangster capitalism.

But who knows! Maybe in fifty or so years, once the red flags and yellow stars have come down, people will finally begin to understand what a real communist revolution is about.

China is still adapting to capitalism, let alone "socialism" so it's going to be quite some time to come before communism becomes a viable option. Still, though, that time will come eventually. :)


Communism died in china when Mao died

A "communism" which is dependent on the "iron will" of a single individual is not communism at all.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Still, though, that time will come eventually.

why are you so certain?

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Still, though, that time will come eventually.

why are you so certain?

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Still, though, that time will come eventually.

why are you so certain?

[Hit The North]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 08:00 PM

Still, though, that time will come eventually.

why are you so certain?
Dialectics? :D

[Hit The North]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 08:00 PM

Still, though, that time will come eventually.

why are you so certain?
Dialectics? :D

[Hit The North]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 08:00 PM

Still, though, that time will come eventually.

why are you so certain?
Dialectics? :D

[LSD]

why are you so certain?

Because baring the extermination of the human race, capitalism must eventually give way. As a socioeconomic system it is just too unstable to perpetuate itself ad infinitum.

[LSD]

why are you so certain?

Because baring the extermination of the human race, capitalism must eventually give way. As a socioeconomic system it is just too unstable to perpetuate itself ad infinitum.

[LSD]

why are you so certain?

Because baring the extermination of the human race, capitalism must eventually give way. As a socioeconomic system it is just too unstable to perpetuate itself ad infinitum.

[Janus]

Because the working class did not seize powere; we merely had a military take-over by CCP forces.
Obviously, that would depend on one's definition of socialism. I thought that when the members here said socialist, that they meant that the means of production were simply owned by the state, which occured in China. However, it seems that they were using a more specific definition.

[Janus]

Because the working class did not seize powere; we merely had a military take-over by CCP forces.
Obviously, that would depend on one's definition of socialism. I thought that when the members here said socialist, that they meant that the means of production were simply owned by the state, which occured in China. However, it seems that they were using a more specific definition.

[Janus]

Because the working class did not seize powere; we merely had a military take-over by CCP forces.
Obviously, that would depend on one's definition of socialism. I thought that when the members here said socialist, that they meant that the means of production were simply owned by the state, which occured in China. However, it seems that they were using a more specific definition.

[WUOrevolt]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 22 2006, 07:30 PM
Communism died in china when Mao died, all these MYTHS about a personality cult are just that a myth.

If people truly admire a individual then how can it be a cult? No matter what the circumstances people are always going to label such things as a cult. I mean give me a break.

Here is a prime example , I have a picture of my girlfriend in my wallet, now if a thousand ppl carried the same picture it would be labeled as a cult.

Every anarchist tries to bury communism at every turn and its sickening.
If you were forced to read the words of someone everyday and discuss them with your co workers, stare at their picutre everywhere you went, and have their quotes on top of every paper in the country, then it is one big cult.

[WUOrevolt]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 22 2006, 07:30 PM
Communism died in china when Mao died, all these MYTHS about a personality cult are just that a myth.

If people truly admire a individual then how can it be a cult? No matter what the circumstances people are always going to label such things as a cult. I mean give me a break.

Here is a prime example , I have a picture of my girlfriend in my wallet, now if a thousand ppl carried the same picture it would be labeled as a cult.

Every anarchist tries to bury communism at every turn and its sickening.
If you were forced to read the words of someone everyday and discuss them with your co workers, stare at their picutre everywhere you went, and have their quotes on top of every paper in the country, then it is one big cult.

[WUOrevolt]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 22 2006, 07:30 PM
Communism died in china when Mao died, all these MYTHS about a personality cult are just that a myth.

If people truly admire a individual then how can it be a cult? No matter what the circumstances people are always going to label such things as a cult. I mean give me a break.

Here is a prime example , I have a picture of my girlfriend in my wallet, now if a thousand ppl carried the same picture it would be labeled as a cult.

Every anarchist tries to bury communism at every turn and its sickening.
If you were forced to read the words of someone everyday and discuss them with your co workers, stare at their picutre everywhere you went, and have their quotes on top of every paper in the country, then it is one big cult.

[norwegian commie]

norways largest communist party is the chinese communist one, worshipping mao.
At the 70.s they were quite large, but now almost everyone that was in the party has become reactionary capitalist pigs... They sabotaged political meetings, and did what tey could to destroy the ussr supporting party.
They where newer communist, and today you see their real face.

A political activist called Georg Johannesen in Norway once said that: " if you sign out from akp (norwegian branch of the chineese communist party) and join young right, you have taken a step to the left." -now it seems that he was right.

[Axel1917]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 03:09 AM





How was China not a socialist state before? The Mao cult only began in earnest during the Cultural Revolution.

Socialism requires highly advanced productive forces (more advanced than the most advanced capitalist nations) and workers' democracy. Neither have existed in China. China started out Stalinist.


Because baring the extermination of the human race, capitalism must eventually give way. As a socioeconomic system it is just too unstable to perpetuate itself ad infinitum.

I am not sure what you mean by this. I have never heard of any credible reference to some kind of "final crisis of capitalism" independent of a mature party and working class ready to seize power. I have heard that Marx himself ruled out this "final crisis of capitalism." Barring the destruction of the human race, and there not being the class consciousness, subjective factor, etc., capitalism would probably be a long series of booms and slumps.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

" if you sign out from akp (norwegian branch of the chineese communist party) and join young right, you have taken a step to the left."

Well said.