Never Seen These Pictures Of Che Before

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Have you? They look quite different to the ones I think most people are used to... Just in case anyone is interested.

http://www.siporcuba.it/morteche.jpg
Captured??

http://www.siporcuba.it/morteche5.jpg

http://www.siporcuba.it/morteche2.jpg

What's up with his mouth? :unsure:

http://www.siporcuba.it/morteche4.jpg

http://www.siporcuba.it/morteche3.jpg

http://www.siporcuba.it/che-diarios-argentinos-041.jpg

http://www.siporcuba.it/rev26.jpg

http://www.siporcuba.it/REV10.jpg

[Karl Marx's Camel]

http://www.selvesandothers.org/IMG/jpg/Che-and-snake.jpg

Another lesser known pic. Che and snake.


Any idea when this might have been taken?

[Revolution67]

Most probably these pic pertain to Che's final hours, before he was shot dead by the Bolivian forces and CIA agents at Vallegrande in Bolivia. These pics are quite moving.

"History is born when the present dies and history is written by those who killed our heroes."
- an acquaintance of mine.

[Leo]

Any idea when this might have been taken?

I am going to guess that it was Congo, or some other place in Africa.

[Janus]

Yeah, I've seen some of those photos before. Not too long ago, another member posted some the same photos as you did.

[Janus]

Yeah, I've seen some of those photos before. Not too long ago, another member posted some the same photos as you did.

[Janus]

Yeah, I've seen some of those photos before. Not too long ago, another member posted some the same photos as you did.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

http://www.radiomoron.cu/2006/06/14/Che%2019.jpg

[Rollo]

Che looks so much like me when I have my hair short when his hair is that way :P.

[Year: 1]

Yeah I read in a Che biography that the Bolivians cut Che's hair and beard and took a handkerchief to tie around his head and jaw so that he would look presentable.

[TupacAndChe4Eva]

Originally posted by Year: [email protected] 17 2006, 05:02 PM
Yeah I read in a Che biography that the Bolivians cut Che's hair and beard and took a handkerchief to tie around his head and jaw so that he would look presentable.
Yeah, the one of his face where he has been beaten, he is definitely dead, there is no recognition in his eyes.

He has been made-up for the presentation of his body because if he was seen as beaten, it would be abvious he was taken alive, and not fatally wounded.

The Americans used the same tactics when they killed Saddam Husseins's sons, they used wax to reconstruct much of their facial features, so they could present them to the media.

The actual, true, pictures are still on Ogrish somewhere.

[Physco Bitch]

I have seen a couple of those photos before, i still find them saddening. Such a great man treated in such a disrespectiful way. I heard that the CIA agents had a group of nuns from the area clean him up at some point- i have seen photos of some females sitting around him and his lower half is covered in a white cloth. But i'am not sure what is going on there though.

[Rollo]

it really touches you, especially if you've been the motorcycle diaries and herd all the lies about him.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Yeah, the one of his face where he has been beaten

You mean beaten, as in punches and such directed against his face or..?


Yeah I read in a Che biography that the Bolivians cut Che's hair and beard and took a handkerchief to tie around his head and jaw so that he would look presentable.

I really don't get that.

He looks much better in this pic, and there he has no handkerchief tied around his head and jaw...?

http://www.commietravel.nl/cuba/statesmen/che/che_dead001_small.jpg

[TupacAndChe4Eva]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2006, 11:16 AM

Yeah, the one of his face where he has been beaten

You mean beaten, as in punches and such directed against his face or..?


Yeah I read in a Che biography that the Bolivians cut Che's hair and beard and took a handkerchief to tie around his head and jaw so that he would look presentable.

I really don't get that.

He looks much better in this pic, and there he has no handkerchief tied around his head and jaw...?

http://www.commietravel.nl/cuba/statesmen/che/che_dead001_small.jpg
Yeah, the picture clearly shows he has been beaten. It was probably taken just after they shot him, as is the one with the soldier standing over him.






As for your second point, dead bodies are often "made-up" to look presentable. They needed people to realise this was Che, and making him look like he was when he was alive was an extremely effective way of doing this.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

I see... :o

Could you point out where you clearly see he has been beaten?

[TupacAndChe4Eva]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2006, 03:21 PM
I see... :o

Could you point out where you clearly see he has been beaten?
The picture that is a close-up of his face and upper shoulders.

He has heavy swelling around the upper eyebrows ( he did have a huge forehead, but the swelling there is plain to see).

His eye's are almost shut, are puffy, and there is no recognition in them. I believe at the time this picture was taken, he had been killed moments before.

Also, it looks like her has been struck with an object to the mouth, as it looks like his bottom lip is hanging-off, there is a lot of blood around that area.

All of that contradicts the "official" view now accepted by the majority, that he was taken when his weapon was rendered useless, was held and then assassinated the next day.

Perhaps he put up a fight, and then accepted he was caught? Thnese pictures do not add-up with the circumstances we all know of, especially in light of the difference between these pictures, and the presentation of Che's corpse in Bolivia.

The picture with the two soldiers standing over him, with their rifles cocked, reinforces this point. There is a lot of blood around his face still, and also a lot of blood on the floor next to him. Also, hasn't it been acceped that someone else had to finish the job, because the first burst of fire hit him, bizarrely, in the legs?

To me, the evidence points to the fact that, before he was captured, he actually DID put up some sort of struggle, but the didn't kill him, perhaps to consult with the CIA. He was beaten, to lesses the chance of an escape, and then the orders came in to kill him. They killed him, and then made him look "presentable", in order to perpetuate the myth that he was killed in combat.

This is reinforced by his comrades on the floor next to him. Little attention is paid to them, yet they are extremely bloody and beaten, and one Guerrilla (Chino Chang - Google Image - the man on the floor next to Che) has clearly been beaten to within an inch of his life before he was killed.

Those are my thoughts.

[Tete Calvache]

I guess nobody here has any experience of pathology or forensic medicine? You can't deduce much by looking at old photos. Many changes occur in a human body after death. Fluid can accumulate in soft tissue, discoloration, bloating, distortion of facial features etc. You can't assume the appearance of Che in these old photos is 'evidence' of him being beaten. He did die a violent and traumatic death and he was not in good physical shape prior to his death after the months he endured in Bolivia. Those facts together with the physiological changes that take place after death could easily account for his appearance.


Tete

[Noah]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_...dead/html/3.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/03/world_parading_the_dead/html/3.stm)

He was killed during a clash with the army in the Bolivian jungle as he attempted to spread the Cuban revolution to that country.

What the fuck? He was executed surely even the people at the BBC know that! :rolleyes:

[Iroquois Xavier]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2006, 03:57 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_...dead/html/3.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/03/world_parading_the_dead/html/3.stm)

He was killed during a clash with the army in the Bolivian jungle as he attempted to spread the Cuban revolution to that country.

What the fuck? He was executed surely even the people at the BBC know that! :rolleyes:
what else would you expect from the BBC...the truth perhaps? :rolleyes: