The death of theory

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"Without revolutionary theory, there can be no revolutionary movement" Lenin


What a sexless mechanical statement!


Who needs theory......all we need is ourselves.


Anybody who tries to undermine our intelligence is an elitist.

We can learn by ourselves everything we need to know.

All outside information can be vetoed by our resident information accountants.


Che lives !

Thank you Malte for the experience, but I think the site has been overtaken by unimaginitive bastards!

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

What a sexless mechanical statement!

But true. As much as I criticise Leninism, Lenin himself was a smart guy.


Who needs theory......all we need is ourselves.

Theory is an essential part of analysing class society and giving shape to a future classless society. Theory is an essential framework upon which we build our practise and movements.


Anybody who tries to undermine our intelligence is an elitist.

What do you mean by this?


We can learn by ourselves everything we need to know.

Yes, we can learn theory, and we also (should) question that theory and examine it and hold it up to reality to see how it stands up.


All outside information can be vetoed by our resident information accountants.

"Outside information"? talk about inventing a false dichotomy. Information's relevance is decided by it's truth and validity, not it's relation to the leftist movement.


Che lives !

Thank you Malte for the experience, but I think the site has been overtaken by unimaginitive bastards!

I disagree. I think we're a whole lot more imaginative than you.

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Thankyou Nixion,


I am quite discouraged. Yet I would like to tell you what I mean by " Anybody who tries to undermine our intelligence is an elitist.". {I really dislike the white blocks}.


There something called "Economism" it reduces everything to individual duty towards those immediately around us. That is fine itself but short term not for the human race. IMO , in my experience ,on this bb everything that points to the long term is ignored.

Any thought proposed that requires a mild measure of actuality outside the categories of both Anarchist and Socialist theory is totally enedible.

Both theories are about the nature of the State, one is for none, the other is dong away with it slowly.

There is no way way out of the dogma.

Anarchists accuse Leninists of arrogance

Leninists accuse Anarchitsts of demogoguery. (Leaders in all but name)

This debate insults my intelligence.

It is about staying at home while the war is outside of all this for humanity.(For both sides that is elitist, it may dare to use alternative categories))


I find nothing imaginative, in these four walls, perhaps you can enlighten me.



"outside information'' is that which is cannot be filtered into the category framework of both groups. Neither groups like talking about the privatisation of the army(for instance)

None of them as far as I can gather has looked at the question historically.


As to imaginative, I have to thank you. You indeed have an imagination.


Paul

[More Fire for the People]

“But that the secular basis detaches itself from itself and establishes itself as an independent realm in the clouds can only be explained by the cleavages and self-contradictions within this secular basis. The latter must, therefore, in itself be both understood in its contradiction and revolutionized in practice. Thus, for instance, after the earthly family is discovered to be the secret of the holy family, the former must then itself be destroyed in theory and in practice.” — Marx
Theory is 'equal' to practice. I would elaborate more, but the hard copy translation I have is different from marxists.org :( Anywho, my hard copy says something like 'contradictions in theory are revolutionized in practice', thus praxis perfects the original theory [aufheben].

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sorry dp

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thankyou.
Hopscotch Anthill,

That was indeed insightful. The secular clouds is a great image. Reminds me of Joni Mitchel. Both sides now. However, the subjective side of now demands the realism of the War poets.

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Don't be so discouraged. Surely, the Leninist vs Anarchist (Autonomist) debates are rather dull (hence I assume why there currently are little to none).

Imagination? I like to think I make an attempt at this with theory. For instance these threads I started I think are rather imaginative, wouldn't you agree? I try to place new ideas in the hands of comrades to be worked with.

http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=51213
http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=51367

Fighting Leninists is rather dull, but someone has to do it for their sake and ours. My life doesn't revolve around this board, and I think for most people it doesn't either.

[BobKKKindle$]

We need to have a reason to struggle, we are not Socialists simply because we think the hammer and sickle is a pretty symbol and the internationale is a cool song. And the reason we struggle - namely, the idea that Capitalism is an unfair and exploitative system, and an alternative exists - is explained and an analysed through theory. Yes, theory can often seem entirely divorcd from reality, and long words often cloud the true meaning of Socialism, but that does not mean that we are able to struggle without understanding why. However, I agree in that many Leftists think that Socialism is about reading Das Kapital and not about seizing buildings and liberating the masses. They are of course wrong.

As for differences between different groups; the worst thing we can do is squabble among ourselves. Who cares if "Humanist and Structuralist marxism conflict" (one of the most absurd threads ever) or "Leninism > Anarchism". Do we want Capitalism in or out?

"The Revolution does not lie in the pages of Das Kapital, nor in Party POlicy Committees...it lies in the hearts of revolutionaries scattered across the globe; it lies in the barricades of Europe, the Molotov Cocktails of America - it belongs to the proletarians of the world"