Waste

[Avtomatov]

Most of the communist votes are going to waste since we are so spread out, and the western world uses a winner takes all democracy, we dont get any seats. Why dont the communists choose to all work together and move to certain areas in order to win seats? Perhaps they could form new communist countries by voting for seperation of states or provinces or oblasts?

[violencia.Proletariat]

There is a thread going on right now in the theory section on the validity of reformism.


Why dont the communists choose to all work together and move to certain areas in order to win seats?

Because most communists (most of the ones here too) aren't reformists. We believe in revolution and see participating in bourgeois politics as useless.

[Avtomatov]

Im developing my own theory i call it darwinian socialism. Its basically as much equality of opportunity as possible, and inequality of outcome. So wages are different based on how much your work is important to society. Same as communism where private property would be abolished, and inheritance. Also in my theory if a country were run this way people would get what they deserved so there would be no public health care.

I have this crazy idea to move 10 000 communist to the yukon, NWT, and nunavat, and vote for seperation, then stage an auto-coup. What do you think? Everyone ive told has laughed at me, but those forums are mostly full of libertarians.

[which doctor]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 12:06 AM
I have this crazy idea to move 10 000 communist to the yukon, NWT, and nunavat, and vote for seperation, then stage an auto-coup. What do you think?
It will stay that, a crazy idea.

It will never happen.

[BobKKKindle$]

Because most communists (most of the ones here too) aren't reformists

Participating in Elections does not mean letting go of revolutionary principles. Many Communist parties have used elections as educational oppurtunities in attempts to get more people involved in revolutionary leftism. The Communist party of the United kingdom actually have some great leaflets and Posters (the posters are for free) on their site (although the use of the word 'propaganda' in the URL might not be such a great idea.

http://www.communist-party.org.uk/index.php?file=propaganda

[Avtomatov]

well someday i might try to carry out my plan, would any of you move to the yukon or someplace in order to seperate and create a new socialist country?

[Dreckt]

Elections will not work because they will not change anything. The reason we haven't seen a revolution yet is because people are not ready for it. The material conditions are not yet that bad that a new system of "government"/society is required.

The material conditions could be right when, for example, we invent humanoid robots that can do things better and for free. In such a case, people will ask themselves why they need to live in poverty or why they need to follow orders by a state or corporation. But this is just an example.

As for creating a new state, uh, that would only bring you a lot of problems. You will not only get the country against you (the country where the sepparation is happening), you will also become an "enemy of the world" - most likely classified as a terrorist by the US and EU.

[rikaguilera]

"well someday i might try to carry out my plan, would any of you move to the yukon or someplace in order to seperate and create a new socialist country? "

If you wanted to start an action, then you should first realize that it would not happen by organizing a move, then trying to seperate. If you wanted to, seriously, start a movement towards your idea of communism, then why not move to Mexico and show those living there that you and your ideas are the way to go. Organize with those of similar thought that are already in Mexico, and south of there, and make some changes. Moving up to the far reaches of Canada would be more like hiding.

[More Fire for the People]

@Avtomat,
While I completely disagree with the old arguement of "let's start our own society" [which is bullshit], you may be interested in participatory economics (http://www.parecon.org/intro.htm), aka 'parecon'.

[Avtomatov]

well what if i dont want to live in a aristocracy. I want my free education. I dont want conservatives running the country i live in. That would be Canada. So why shouldnt we communists try to relocate to certain areas, so we dont have to live governed by theism and capitalists?

[Dreckt]

So why shouldnt we communists try to relocate to certain areas, so we dont have to live governed by theism and capitalists?

Relocate where? There is not a single land that is not owned by capitalism on this planet.

[Avtomatov]

Form a new country. Through democratic centrism the communists could decide certain places where all communists should live and vote for communist parties and vote for independence.

[More Fire for the People]

Because it would be just 'we commies'. The goal of communism is the abolition of alienation. To do would first and foremost require the abolition of capitalism and the dictatorship of the proletariat.

[Dreckt]

Form a new country.

Form a new country where?


Through democratic centrism the communists could decide certain places where all communists should live and vote for communist parties and vote for independence.

I don't follow. Do you want all communists to relocate to a country where they should vote for a communist party or that we should rebel and create our own country?

Both cases is useless. Forming a new country is impossible since the government in any country will crack down on the separatists and mark them as terrorists - so if all communists somehow manage to move to one country they would all become terrorists - on other words, communism = terrorism ==> communism outlawed in all countries.

Voting will not work either because the ruling class will not allow a communist society to form. Even if the party is called "communist party of country" it will still only be formal. They may be a better choice than a right-wing party, but in essence, there will only be some reforms. Capitalism will still exist in that country because that country has huge corporations that need profit and exploitation.