"Faith" in the American Constitution

[MurderInc]

What are you taling about?!?

There have been many discussions over whether someone can or cannot vote AND be revolutionary. This has been settled by the fact that throughout the entire board are commercials for taking back Congress, on both the IO and regular areas.

If you despise the American Constitution, and are an Admin here, how can you support the Taking back of Congress for the Democrats.

Shouldn't it read: How to end the Congress with the Dictatorship of the Proletariat.

Many commies here have expressed their going to Harvard, Oxford, and other basions of caitalism. How do you explain their continued membership.

It has been settled here, I thought, that one works within the system they have, as opposed to pretending that things are different.

Sorry about the Hawaii references. You wouldn't know about our system here.

[MurderInc]

Re: Our (American) Constitution,

I have total faith that it will balance and that I will live to see President Bush impeached and removed from office.

I have faith in and totally support the Bill of Rights.

You don't?!?

I'm sorry for continuing to have faith in things, I don't believe it is prohibitive of Marxist thought.

[LSD]

There have been many discussions over whether someone can or cannot vote AND be revolutionary.

Indeed there have. But that's an entirely seperate issue.

I am still waiting for you to answer my initial question; do you have "faith" in the American constitution and, if so, doesn't that nescessitate a support for capitalism (property being a key "right" in foundational America)?


If you despise the American Constitution, and are an Admin here, how can you support the Taking back of Congress for the Democrats.

I don't! :lol:


This has been settled by the fact that throughout the entire board are commercials for taking back Congress, on both the IO and regular areas.

Those ads are unrelated to this board. Google determines their content and we have absolutely no control over them.

I agree that it would be nice if we could be rid of them, but this site is an expensive proposition and we need to finance it somehow.

[Lord Testicles]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2006, 05:15 PM
This has been settled by the fact that throughout the entire board are commercials for taking back Congress, on both the IO and regular areas.

If you despise the American Constitution, and are an Admin here, how can you support the Taking back of Congress for the Democrats.

Shouldn't it read: How to end the Congress with the Dictatorship of the Proletariat.
The Admins have no power over the adverts on this board, and I’m sure that the majority of the board if not all don’t give a toss if the Republicans or the Democrats are in power, they all oppress.

[LSD]

Re: Our (American) Constitution,

I have total faith that it will balance and that I will live to see President Bush impeached and removed from office.

And then what?

Opposing Bush isn't revolutionary, it's just basic common sense. A revolutionary leftist perspective, however, means recognizing the illegitimacy of all bourgeois institutions no matter what labels they cloack themselves in.

So again I ask, given your expressed support for liberal politics, why should you not be restricted to OI?


I have faith in and totally support the Bill of Rights.

You don't?!?

Well...no.

First of all, I'm not American so it's not even a relevent issue; but more importantly, I have no respect for instruments of bourgeois "legitimacy".

Some of the rights enumerated in the American "Bill of Rights" are indeed valid fundamental rights, but their validity does not derive from a piece of elitist republicanist anarchronism.

So I "totally support" the right to free speech; but I in no way support the American government or its foundational documents.

And in terms of "faith", do I really need to address that? The history of the United States is one of oppression, exploitation, and bloody imperialism. I'd say that after 250 years of oppressing the world, the US has lost the bennefit of the doubt.

At this point, "faith" in the US government isn't even an option.

[MurderInc]

The property issues occur in two places in the Constitution, and neither have ANYTHING to do with revolution.

In both cases, these property references are part of the Due Process aspects of government.

The document was written in 1787, and has NOTHING to do with anti-Marxist views. From the point of view of the Framers, they were being highly radical when they declared in these passages that property could not be taken without just compensation. This Eighteenth Century concept was revolutionary and hardly oppressive.

There are no comments in the Constitution stating that people have a right to own ANYTHING. Where did you conclude it did.


P.S. Sorry, I didn't know about the advertisement thing. I presumed since this was a leftist site, that you all put up leftist statements.

[LSD]

The property issues occur in two places in the Constitution

The property "issue" is implied throughout the constitution. The "framers" didn't need to specificy that property was a "right". The values of the time and the way that they address the issue when it does come up, makes it quite clear where they place private ownership.

Accordingly, having "faith" in this, very antiquated, document nescessitates support for its value system.


The document was written in 1787, and has NOTHING to do with anti-Marxist views.

Obviously not, considering that it was written well before Marx's birth. But continued "faith" in the constitution is an implicitly anti-marxist and anti-revolutionary viewpoint.

Admiring the constitution as an historical document is one thing. Personally, I tend to view it as overrated as an "influence", but it's still a debatable issue. "Faith" in the constitution, however, in the context of modern politics is decidedly idealist and reactionary and has absolutely no place within the revolutionary leftist paradigm.

Consider yourself restricted.

[MurderInc]

Consider yourself an idiot.

[black magick hustla]

Well MurderInc, it is just that the American Constitution was a progressive document in its era. indeed a set of laws that would build the foundation for future bourgeois society and destroy the remnants of feudal aristocracy.

It is not an "evil" book, but indeed it is not compatible with the revolutionary paradigm.

We are not liberals, we are revolutionary leftists!