Let's kill redwatch [Archive]

the_last_straw

12th June 2006, 04:23

Alright, it's time to take down the redwatch site. I have sent this letter to the host:

DO NOT CLICK LINKS! COPY AND PASTE THEM INTO YOUR URL BAR. WE DO NOT WANT THEM SEEING HITS FROM REVLEFT

Welcome to the Death to Redwatch thread. Here are the statuses for the redwatch mirrors along with contact information:

Redwatch.co.uk ALIVE
Redwatch.net ALIVE
Redwatch.org.uk ALIVE
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] might also work

Redwatch.info ALIVE
Host: [email protected], [email protected]
714-990-2600 <-- Dreamhost fax #
Send free faxes using these links. Let's tie up those phone lines!
http://www.tpc.int/sendfax.html
http://www.ourfax.com/webfax/
http://freefax.com/ff_snd.html

Registrar: [email protected]
[email protected] might also work

If you would like to send letters to the web hosts, you may use my sample letter, make your own, or modify my sample letter. The email information for the hosts is available above.

Sample letter for host of redwatch.*.uk and redwatch.net (All currently down)

To whom it may concern,
It has come to my attention that you are the web host of redwatch.org.uk,redwatch.co.uk, and redwatch.net through this traceroute:
Tracing route to redwatch.net ...

1 161.58.14.161 (161.58.14.161) 0.431 ms 0.270 ms 0.238 ms
2 ge-1-2-0.378.r01.stngva01.us.wh.verio.net (204.2.127.185) 53.398 ms * 3.356 ms
3 vl-5.r01.stngva01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.27.190) 0.470 ms 0.360 ms 0.323 ms
4 xe-1-2-0.r20.asbnva01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.2.84) 2.424 ms 0.921 ms 0.782 ms
5 p16-0.uunet.asbnva01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.9.70) 2.257 ms 2.077 ms 1.810 ms
6 0.so-5-0-0.XL1.DCA5.ALTER.NET (152.63.43.170) 1.758 ms 1.954 ms 8.390 ms
7 0.so-3-0-0.XL1.DFW13.ALTER.NET (152.63.98.121) 36.027 ms 38.113 ms 36.143 ms
8 POS6-0.GW1.DFW13.ALTER.NET (152.63.103.85) 36.066 ms 36.005 ms 36.083 ms
9 theplanet-gw.customer.alter.net (157.130.143.226) 35.694 ms 35.232 ms 35.197 ms
10 vl31.dsr01.dllstx3.theplanet.com (70.85.127.29) 44.182 ms 35.907 ms 35.692 ms
11 vl41.dsr01.dllstx4.theplanet.com (70.85.127.83) 120.083 ms 174.651 ms 207.745 ms
12 gi1-0-1.car07.dllstx4.theplanet.com (67.19.255.26) 36.215 ms 36.166 ms 36.171 ms
13 ns3.uncensored-hosting.com (67.19.97.178) 36.266 ms 36.598 ms 36.005 ms

These sites are run by pro-nazi activists who publish personal information of persons with similar political views with the intent of having them attacked. Here are some quotes from their site:

"Frank Ormston
Tel. 01904 340846
9 Waverley Street, York YO13 7QZ

Geoff Collier
Tel. 01482 858383
307 Homethorpe, Hull HU6 9HR

Graham Hellawell
2 Leonard Street, Huddersfield HD2 1AB

Janet Terry
Tel. 0130288435
Mob 07713764860
49 King George Square Doncaster DN3 1PQ

Nicholas Riley
E-mail: [email protected]
Tel. 0114 2343647
79 Beechwood Road, Sheffield S6 4LQ

Roland. J .W
9 Moor Street, Worcester WR 1 3DB

Geoff Collier
Tel. 01482 858383 307
Homethorpe Hull HU6 9HR

Gerry Gable
49 Herent Drive, Clay Hall, Ilford, Essex

Michael Fenwick
Tel. 0113 3070127
47 Roundhay Avenue, Leeds LS8 4DU

Mike Davies
E-mail: [email protected]
Tel. 0113 2624442
Mobile 07811384888
18 Oak Road, Leeds LS7 3JU

Steve Silver's Brother
02085508239
18 Stradbroke Grove, Ilford Essex 1GS 0DN

Stuart Craft
Mobile 07733 274324
4 Cranes Bill Way, Oxford OX4 7WP "

As you can see, this provided enough information for these people to be attacked merely because of their political views. In fact people have been attacked and the owners of this website are very aware:
" A few days ago, at 6pm on the evening of the 16th of May, at the corner of Tamka and Dobrej streets in Warsaw, an antifascist activist was attacked by two nazis, with clear intentions to kill him. They had been following him, and suddenly, one of them stepped in front on him and sprayed him with pepper gas. Then the other one stabbed him in his back with a 30cm long knife. Maciek fell on the ground and was kicked by the nazis for a while, with them shouting "We'll kill you, you leftist motherfucker!".

Maciek was taken to the hospital and underwent serious life-saving surgery (when he got to the hospital the doctors said that his condition was "critical"), and is now recovering. He still is not 100% recovered, he still has blood in his lungs. He says that he is sure that the attack was due to the recent appearance of his personal data on a nazi site called "redwatch" (www.redwatch.info) which publishes names, addresses, photos and other personal data of human rights activists in order to encourage violent attacks against them. Redwatch is a web-site that has existed for several months now and it promotes the idea of "killing the enemies of the race" and the organization behind this is a very radical neofascist "Blood and Honor". The problem is that Maciek didn't have medical insurance, so that he may be forced to pay up to 20,000 PLN (5000 euros)."

source: http://www.indymedia.org/en/2006/05/839847.shtml

In addition, these sites are violating these subsections of your terms of service:

ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES: Photography by Gus/Uncensored-Hosting.com services may not be used for illegal purposes, or in support of illegal activities. Photography by Gus/Uncensored-Hosting.com reserves the right to cooperate with legal authorities and/or injured third parties in the investigation of any suspected crime or civil wrongdoing.

HARM OR ENDANGERMENT: You may not use Photography by Gus/Uncensored-Hosting.com’s service to harm, or attempt to harm, minors in any way, including, but not limited to proliferation, or dissemination of child pornography, bestiality or any illegal content. This includes advertisments and/or links to such content. Client agrees not to use Photography by Gus/Uncensored-Hosting.com’s service to transmit any material (by e-mail, uploading, posting or otherwise) that threatens or encourages bodily harm or destruction of property.

COPYRIGHT OR TRADEMARK INFRINGEMENT: Use of Photography by Gus/Uncensored-Hosting.com hosting services to transmit any material (by e-mail, uploading, posting or otherwise) that infringes any copyright, trademark, patent, trade secret or other proprietary rights of any third party, including, but not limited to, the unauthorized copying of copyrighted material, the digitization and distribution of photographs from magazines, books, or other copyrighted sources, and the unauthorized transmittal of copyrighted software is strictly prohibited. Use of Photography by Gus/Uncensored-Hosting.com hosting service to collect, or attempt to collect, personal information about third parties without their knowledge or consent are strictly prohibited. Distribution and/or posting of copyrighted or the aforementioned infringements will not be tolerated.

At redwatch.org.uk/why.html you may see several articles that were reprinted without the Author's permission.

I will leave it to you to remove these sites. You have the moral and legal obligation to do so. Please take down these sites and forward any information you have on the owners to the FBI and UN Human Rights Council. You have been hereby notified of the illegal activities occurring on your server and sufficient evidence has been provided. Failure, refusal, or neglect to remove these sites will result in further action which could include prosecution for knowingly and willingly allowing criminal activities to occur on your server as well as criminal neglect. This site is illegal under US federal law (Where I am viewing this page and where you are located) and the Polish Constitution (where the site owners are located) I will continue to pursue this issue until it is resolved.

Please Respond,
MYNAMEHERE

If you would like to send a letter regarding redwatch.info to the host you can use this sample letter:

Dear Dreamhost,
It has come to my attention that you are the web host of redwatch.info.

Traceroute:
1 161.58.14.161 (161.58.14.161) 0.349 ms 0.344 ms 0.253 ms
2 ge-1-2-0.378.r01.stngva01.us.wh.verio.net (204.2.127.185) 0.447 ms 0.285 ms 0.278 ms
3 vl-5.r01.stngva01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.27.190) 0.295 ms 0.347 ms 0.313 ms
4 * xe-1-2-0.r20.asbnva01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.2.84) 0.435 ms 0.459 ms
5 p64-2-2-0.r20.mlpsca01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.2.10) 65.193 ms 64.421 ms 64.472 ms
6 p64-1-2-0.r20.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.4.115) 71.906 ms 106.807 ms 71.920 ms
7 xe-4-1.r00.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.5.33) 71.934 ms 71.932 ms 71.916 ms
8 xe-1-1.a00.lsanca17.us.ra.gin.ntt.net (129.250.29.115) 71.903 ms 71.957 ms 71.973 ms
9 te-1-3.a00.lsanca17.us.ce.verio.net (206.183.201.162) 206.502 ms 158.285 ms 199.748 ms
10 border1.po1-bbnet1.ext1a.lax.pnap.net (216.52.255.31) 72.082 ms 72.028 ms 72.075 ms
11 newdream-1.border1.ext1a.lax.pnap.net (216.52.220.78) 121.273 ms 72.395 ms 72.116 ms
12 basic-red.paramount.dreamhost.com (208.113.133.123) 73.854 ms 73.562 ms 73.526 ms

Redwatch is an illegal site where I am viewing it (The United States) and where you are located (The United States). It posts personal information of people who share similar political views. The information is posted with the intention of causing physical harm to these individuals. The site owners are well aware of this. In fact, harm has been caused to various individuals including this most recent case where somebody was stabbed due to their information getting posted on redwatch:
http://www.indymedia.org/en/2006/05/839847.shtml

Redwatch.info is violating these subsections of your Terms of Service:

Customer may only use DreamHost Webhosting's Server for lawful purpose. Transmission of any material in violation of any Country, Federal, State or Local regulation is prohibited. To this effect, child pornography is strictly prohibited as well as housing any copyrighted information (to which the customer does not hold the copyright) on DreamHost Webhosting's Server.

You have been hereby notified of the illegal activities occuring on your servers. You have been provided sufficient evidence regarding the illegal activities and violations of your terms of service. Refusal or neglect to remove these sites will result in further action which could result in prosecution for knowingly and willingly allowing criminal activities to occur on your server and criminal neglect. From this point on, you will be held responsible for any damage that occurs as a result of your hosting of these sites. You should forward any information you have on the website owners to the UN Human Rights Council, the FBI, and the New Scotland Yard. I will continue to pursue this issue until it is resolved.
Please Respond,
xxxxxx

You may send this letter to the registrar of redwatch.info

Dear WildWestDomains,
It has come to my attention that you are the registrar of redwatch.info.

Domain ID:D12099006-LRMS
Domain Name:REDWATCH.INFO
Created On:12-Feb-2006 17:03:23 UTC
Last Updated On:13-Apr-2006 20:32:07 UTC
Expiration Date:12-Feb-2007 17:03:23 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Wild West Domains (R213-LRMS)
Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT RENEW PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:GODA-017480812
Registrant Name:Registration Private
Registrant Organization:Domains by Proxy, Inc.
Registrant Street1:DomainsByProxy.com
Registrant Street2:15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Scottsdale
Registrant State/Province:Arizona
Registrant Postal Code:85260
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.4806242599
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:[email protected]
Admin ID:GODA-217480812
Admin Name:Registration Private
Admin Organization:Domains by Proxy, Inc.
Admin Street1:DomainsByProxy.com
Admin Street2:15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Admin Street3:
Admin City:Scottsdale
Admin State/Province:Arizona
Admin Postal Code:85260
Admin Country:US
Admin Phone:+1.4806242599
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX:
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin Email:[email protected]
Billing ID:GODA-317480812
Billing Name:Registration Private
Billing Organization:Domains by Proxy, Inc.
Billing Street1:DomainsByProxy.com
Billing Street2:15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Billing Street3:
Billing City:Scottsdale
Billing State/Province:Arizona
Billing Postal Code:85260
Billing Country:US
Billing Phone:+1.4806242599
Billing Phone Ext.:
Billing FAX:
Billing FAX Ext.:
Billing Email:[email protected]
Tech ID:GODA-117480812
Tech Name:Registration Private
Tech Organization:Domains by Proxy, Inc.
Tech Street1:DomainsByProxy.com
Tech Street2:15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Tech Street3:
Tech City:Scottsdale
Tech State/Province:Arizona
Tech Postal Code:85260
Tech Country:US
Tech Phone:+1.4806242599
Tech Phone Ext.:
Tech FAX:
Tech FAX Ext.:
Tech Email:[email protected]
Name Server:NS1.DREAMHOST.COM
Name Server:NS2.DREAMHOST.COM
Name Server:NS3.DREAMHOST.COM

Redwatch is an illegal site where I am viewing it (The United States) and where you are located (The United States). It posts personal information of people who share similar political views about communism. The information is posted with the intention of causing physical harm to these individuals. The site owners are well aware of this. In fact, harm has been caused to various individuals including this most recent case where somebody was stabbed due to their information getting posted on redwatch:
http://www.indymedia.org/en/2006/05/839847.shtml

Redwatch also posts slanderous information about individuals or groups that have communist beliefs.

Redwatch.info is violating these subsections of your Terms of Service:

As a condition of Your use of Wild West ’s Software and Services, You agree not to use them for any purpose that is unlawful or prohibited by these terms and conditions, and You agree to comply with any applicable local, state, federal and international laws, government rules or requirements. You agree You will not be entitled to a refund of any fees paid to Wild West if, for any reason, Wild West takes corrective action with respect to Your improper or illegal use of its Services.

Except as set forth below, Wild West may also cancel Your use of the Services, after thirty (30) days, if You are using the Services in association with spam or morally objectionable activities. Morally objectionable activities will include, but not be limited to: activities designed to defame, embarrass, harm, abuse, threaten, slander or harass third parties; activities prohibited by the laws of the United States and/or foreign territories in which You conduct business; activities designed to encourage unlawful behavior by others, such as hate crimes, terrorism and child pornography; activities that are tortuous, vulgar, obscene, invasive of the privacy of a third party, racially, ethnically, or otherwise objectionable; activities designed to impersonate the identity of a third party; illegal access to other computers or networks (i.e., hacking); distribution of Internet viruses or similar destructive activities; and activities designed to harm minors in any way. Notwithstanding anything to the contrary herein, in the event Wild West cancels Your Services during the first thirty (30) days after You purchase the Services, You will receive a refund of any fees paid to Wild West in connection with the Services being canceled. In the event Wild West deletes Your Services because they are being used in association with spam or morally objectionable activities, no refund will be issued. You agree You will not be entitled to a refund of any fees paid to Wild West if, for any reason, Wild West takes corrective action with respect to Your improper or illegal use of its Services.

You have been hereby notified of the illegal activities occuring on your servers. You have been provided sufficient evidence regarding the illegal activities and violations of your terms of service. Refusal or neglect to remove these sites will result in further action which could result in prosecution for knowingly and willingly allowing criminal activities to occur on your server and criminal neglect. From this point on, you will be held responsible for any damage that occurs as a result of your hosting of these sites. You should forward any information you have on the website owners to the UN Human Rights Council, the FBI, and the New Scotland Yard. I will continue to pursue this issue until it is resolved.
Please Respond,
XXXXXX

Want to write your own letter? Here are some things to include:
1. This site is illegal under US law (where you may be viewing this site from)
2. This site is illegal under UK law (where the site is registered in)
3. This site advocates violence against people merely for their political views and has resulted in several public stabbings and attacks of which the owners are fully aware
4. If the host does not remove the site, further action will be taken which could include prosecution for criminal neglect
5. The host will be held responsible for any damage caused by the site if they refuse/neglect to remove it from their servers
6. They should send any information they have on the owners to the FBI, New Scotland Yard, and the UN Human Rights Council
7. We will not stop pursuing the issue until it is resolved

Do not email the host and say you are angry about the hate speech, say you are angry that they are advocating and participating in political violence.

****IMPORTANT NOTES****
1. Send a copy of your email to the_last_straw [at] safe-mail.net. Then you can say that you have sent a copy to me for legal reference
2. If possible, send "reminder" emails every day you do not get a response to keep the pressure on

I believe that's everything that needs to be said. I will update this post as the war progresses.

PS: I've heard through the grapevine that they have been mailbombed and DDoSed so it looks like we aren't the only ones working on this.

the_last_straw

12th June 2006, 06:23

UPDATE

Here are the specific parts of the web hosting terms redwatch is violating:

You agree that you will not violate the laws, regulations, ordinances or other such requirements of any applicable Federal, State or local government.

You agree not to make any inappropriate communication to any Newsgroup, Mailing List, Chat Facility, or another Internet Forum.

You agree that you will not use your SiteGround account for storing any data if it is copyrighted and you are not the owner of the copyright. This includes but is not limited to copyrighted music files, copyrighted video files, copyrighted software, etc.

infringe any copyright, trademark, patent, trade secret, or other proprietary rights of any third party information;

are with adult content, pornographic, obscene, unlawfully harassing, or connected with sex-related merchandising;

I have found some material that infringes on copyright if you would like to alert siteground of it:

<<http://www.redwatch.co.uk/REDWATCH/searchlight1.html>> <-- Scanned pages used without permission from searchlight

In fact, pretty much this entire page is infringing:
<<http://www.redwatch.co.uk/why.html>>

Let's take these a^&&$*$oles down!

[Copy & Paste links into your browser....I broke them so that they wouldn't, all of a sudden, get a load of links from this forum. When someone linked Stormfront, we got a load of fascist trolls, so it's better to be safe than sorry -- Armchair Socialism.]

Janus

12th June 2006, 07:15

Other people have already done this.

The hosts' replies have always been: "there's no proof", etc.

Perhaps this may fare a little better though there's not much hope.

Guest

12th June 2006, 07:40

Oh please, people! Emailing the host asking it to take down redwatch is just like writing a letter to Congress asking them to pass a certain law. Fuck that!
Take matter into your own hands! I thought you were supposed to be revolutionary!

ahab

12th June 2006, 20:22

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2006, 04:41 AM
Oh please, people! Emailing the host asking it to take down redwatch is just like writing a letter to Congress asking them to pass a certain law. Fuck that!
Take matter into your own hands! I thought you were supposed to be revolutionary!
yea well you see the problem with that is if we try to "take them down" we end up getting in trouble and they stay there. There is a point where you need to know when not to fight, live to fight another day

the_last_straw

12th June 2006, 23:15

Well, standing around and theorizing about how to take it down won't help. The host is legally responsible for the site once notified, so it's time to make sure that they know that and that refusal/neglect to remove the site will result in problems for them. After we send some letters, I will be more than happy to use some more revolutionary tactics to get the point across. I just sent another reminder email:

Just wanted to see why I hadn't gotten a reply to my previous letters regarding redwatch.*.uk and redwatch.net
Please Respond,
XXXXXXXXXXXX

Since they haven't been responding, you might find it funner to send your complaints to these addresses:
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]

You can even have a live chat with them here:

http://www.siteground.com/contact_us.htm

Feel free to give them a call:
1.800.828.9231
+1.347.892.2625

I have created a standard letter to send, but you may write your own or modify it:

Dear Siteground,
It has come to my attention that you are the web host of redwatch.org.uk, redwatch.co.uk, and redwatch.net.

Traceroute:
1 0 0 0 216.46.228.229 port-216-3073253-es128.devices.datareturn.com
2 0 1 0 64.29.192.145 port-64-1949841-zzt0prespect.devices.datareturn.com
3 0 0 0 64.29.192.226 daa.g921.ispb.datareturn.com
4 0 0 0 168.215.241.133 hagg-01-ae0-1001.dlfw.twtelecom.net
5 0 0 0 66.192.246.217 core-02-ge-3-1-3-503.dlfw.twtelecom.net
6 5 5 5 66.192.246.19 dist-01-so-1-0-0-0.hsto.twtelecom.net
7 5 5 5 66.192.246.127 hagg-02-ge-2-3-0-506.hsto.twtelecom.net
8 6 6 6 216.110.27.98 216-110-27-98.static.twtelecom.net
9 6 6 6 66.98.241.29 gphou-66-98-241-29.ev1.net
10 6 6 6 66.98.241.113 gphou-66-98-241-113.ev1.net
11 6 7 6 67.15.157.12 ns1.siteground15.com

Redwatch is an illegal site where I am viewing it (The United States), where the domain is registered to (The United Kingdom), and where you are located (The United States). It posts personal information of people who share similar political views about communism. The information is posted with the intention of causing physical harm to these individuals. The site owners are well aware of this. In fact, harm has been caused to various individuals including this most recent case where somebody was stabbed due to their information getting posted on redwatch:
http://www.indymedia.org/en/2006/05/839847.shtml
In addition, redwatch is violating the intellectual property rights of several companies and individuals in many pages including this one:
http://www.redwatch.co.uk/why.html
One specific violation of intellectual property rights can be located here:
http://www.redwatch.co.uk/REDWATCH/searchlight1.html
The article was scanned and shown on this website without the permission of the copyright owner (Searchlight).

These sites are violating these subsections of your terms:

You agree that you will not violate the laws, regulations, ordinances or other such requirements of any applicable Federal, State or local government.
(See Above)

You agree that you will not use your SiteGround account for storing any data if it is copyrighted and you are not the owner of the copyright. This includes but is not limited to copyrighted music files, copyrighted video files, copyrighted software, etc.
(See above)

infringe any copyright, trademark, patent, trade secret, or other proprietary rights of any third party information;
(See above)

are with adult content, pornographic, obscene, unlawfully harassing, or connected with sex-related merchandising
Their entire site is full of slander such as this:
the reds are false, untruthful, degenerates and tyrants

You have been hereby notified of the illegal activities occuring on your servers. You have been provided sufficient evidence regarding the illegal activities and violations of your terms of service. Refusal or neglect to remove these sites will result in further action which could result in prosecution for knowingly and willingly allowing criminal activities to occur on your server and criminal neglect. From this point on, you will be held responsible for any damage that occurs as a result of your hosting of these sites. You should forward any information you have on the website owners to the UN Human Rights Council, the FBI, and the New Scotland Yard. I will continue to pursue this issue until it is resolved.
Please Respond,
YOURNAMEHERE

lithium

13th June 2006, 17:09

Tried to connect to the Redwatch sites and got the error message The account is currently not active.

Maybe Siteground are finally taking action?

lithium

13th June 2006, 17:40

Yes! I can confirm that the Redwatch account has finally been suspended.

Dear Conor,

Thank you for contacting us regarding the RedWatch websites uploaded by one of our customers at our server.

We have been already notified about this abusive content by XXXXXX and as you can see currently the 3 domain names you have mentioned open the SiteGround suspended account default webpage.

SiteGround will never tolerate websites that proclaim hatred to a group of people or inspire violence against a group of people or separate individuals.

Best regards,

Liam Young
Senior Customer Service Officer

Good work, comrades! That's another battle that has been won in the war against capitalism and fascism.

Guest

13th June 2006, 18:55

Good job comrades!

2 of the 3 are down:
http://www.redwatch.org/

only .org.uk is left. Hosted in the UK so should be a bit easier to take down. How do we find out who hosts the site?

Noah

13th June 2006, 19:18

only .org.uk is left.

That's down too.

Red Polak

13th June 2006, 19:23

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2006, 05:19 PM

only .org.uk is left.

That's down too.
It's working for me still.

(ps. I am that guest - forgot to sign in).

What about the German and Polish Redwatch? Does anyone know the email addresses for those two?

lithium

13th June 2006, 19:24

www.internetters.co.uk does a whois search for .org.uk domains. This shows 123 Reg and NearlyFreeSpeech. I think the host supplies the nameserver (NFS in this case) but the other sites also used the same nameserver but were hosted by a different company...

I'm emailing 123 Reg now to try and get the domain name disabled at least, then we can figure out hosting issues later.

Domain name:
redwatch.org.uk

Registrant:
The National Front

Registrant type:
Not supplied

Administrative contact's address:
PO Box 1004
Hull
UK

Registrant's agent:
PIPEX Communications Hosting Ltd [Tag = WEBFUSION]
URL: http://www.123-reg.co.uk

Relevant dates:
Registered on: 07-May-2001
Renewal date: 07-May-2007
Last updated: 01-Jun-2006

Registration status:
Registered until renewal date.

Name servers:
ns.phx1.nearlyfreespeech.net
ns.phx2.nearlyfreespeech.net

WHOIS lookup made at 17:11:01 13-Jun-2006

lithium

13th June 2006, 19:31

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2006, 04:19 PM

only .org.uk is left.

That's down too.
It's down, but still accesible from the link on www.redwatch.org (i.e. www.redwatch.org.uk/indexx.html)

the_last_straw

13th June 2006, 23:53

I can confirm that all three are down. Thank you everybody!

I got two replies (from different addresses) at siteground:

Dear XXXXXXXX,

Thank you for contacting us regarding the RedWatch websites uploaded by one
of our customers at our server.

SiteGround will never tolerate websites that proclaim hatred to a certain
group of people or inspire violence against a group of people or separate
individuals and we have suspended the abusive account.

I am also very concerned about your statement that you have sent 3 emails
before and you have not received reply from SiteGround. Could you please
tell me on which email address you have been writing so that I can check why
they did not receive a reply.

Best regards,

Liam Young
Senior Customer Service Officer
SiteGround.com

Hello XXXX,

I have reviewed your request and we have suspended all the accounts
hosted with us. The websites mentioned are against our TOS (Terms Of
Service) and they will never be hosted with our company. Thank you for
contacting us regarding that matter. Regarding the last three e-mails
could you please let us know to which e-mail address you sent them
because we never get your previous letters?

If we can help with anything else please let us know.

Best Regards,

Larry Thompson
Customer Care Department
http://siteground.com

This is a major blow to those facist morons and a major victory for those who would be attacked by them. No need to contact nearly free speech, we'll talk to them once redwatch comes up again (which it will). It has already been kicked off several hosts before. The most important thing is to KEEP THE PRESSURE ON. Switching hosting companies takes lots of money so we need to keep pushing them down until they go red. (No pun intended)

Let's make this thread the headquarter for operations when they pop back up.

RedAnarchist

13th June 2006, 23:55

I've been sending some of this info to my friends on Myspace via bulletins. It looks like many hands make light work :)

the_last_straw

14th June 2006, 00:53

Alright, now that redwatch.*.uk and redwatch.net is down it's time to go after redwatch.info (I happen to know that this host is a stickler)

SEND ABUSE EMAILS TO:
[email protected]

Don't forget to send a copy of the email to [email protected] for legal reference using the CC: function on your email program/site

In addition, you may visit them:
DreamHost
PMB #257
417 Associated Rd.
Brea, CA 92821
USA

or send them a fax:
FAX: 714-990-2600

If you want to use a web form to contact them, one is available here:
http://dreamhost.com/contact.cgi

I have modified the original abuse letter for dreamhost:

Dear Dreamhost,
It has come to my attention that you are the web host of redwatch.info.

Traceroute:
1 161.58.14.161 (161.58.14.161) 0.349 ms 0.344 ms 0.253 ms
2 ge-1-2-0.378.r01.stngva01.us.wh.verio.net (204.2.127.185) 0.447 ms 0.285 ms 0.278 ms
3 vl-5.r01.stngva01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.27.190) 0.295 ms 0.347 ms 0.313 ms
4 * xe-1-2-0.r20.asbnva01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.2.84) 0.435 ms 0.459 ms
5 p64-2-2-0.r20.mlpsca01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.2.10) 65.193 ms 64.421 ms 64.472 ms
6 p64-1-2-0.r20.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.4.115) 71.906 ms 106.807 ms 71.920 ms
7 xe-4-1.r00.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.5.33) 71.934 ms 71.932 ms 71.916 ms
8 xe-1-1.a00.lsanca17.us.ra.gin.ntt.net (129.250.29.115) 71.903 ms 71.957 ms 71.973 ms
9 te-1-3.a00.lsanca17.us.ce.verio.net (206.183.201.162) 206.502 ms 158.285 ms 199.748 ms
10 border1.po1-bbnet1.ext1a.lax.pnap.net (216.52.255.31) 72.082 ms 72.028 ms 72.075 ms
11 newdream-1.border1.ext1a.lax.pnap.net (216.52.220.78) 121.273 ms 72.395 ms 72.116 ms
12 basic-red.paramount.dreamhost.com (208.113.133.123) 73.854 ms 73.562 ms 73.526 ms

Redwatch is an illegal site where I am viewing it (The United States) and where you are located (The United States). It posts personal information of people who share similar political views about communism. The information is posted with the intention of causing physical harm to these individuals. The site owners are well aware of this. In fact, harm has been caused to various individuals including this most recent case where somebody was stabbed due to their information getting posted on redwatch:
http://www.indymedia.org/en/2006/05/839847.shtml

Redwatch.info is violating these subsections of your Terms of Service:

Customer may only use DreamHost Webhosting's Server for lawful purpose. Transmission of any material in violation of any Country, Federal, State or Local regulation is prohibited. To this effect, child pornography is strictly prohibited as well as housing any copyrighted information (to which the customer does not hold the copyright) on DreamHost Webhosting's Server.

You have been hereby notified of the illegal activities occuring on your servers. You have been provided sufficient evidence regarding the illegal activities and violations of your terms of service. Refusal or neglect to remove these sites will result in further action which could result in prosecution for knowingly and willingly allowing criminal activities to occur on your server and criminal neglect. From this point on, you will be held responsible for any damage that occurs as a result of your hosting of these sites. You should forward any information you have on the website owners to the UN Human Rights Council, the FBI, and the New Scotland Yard. I will continue to pursue this issue until it is resolved.
Please Respond,
Darrel Johnson

I've sent mine, have you sent yours?

Red Polak

14th June 2006, 00:59

^ can I just use your email as a template?

Wait a sec - you've writen that it's an illegal site in the US, is that only in the US or is it elsewhere in the world aswell?

the_last_straw

14th June 2006, 01:01

Absolutely, that's why it's there! :)

It is illegal in other countries, but I decided not to list them all (since I'm basing it on my and their relative locations).

the_last_straw

14th June 2006, 01:04

Got the standard response:

Hello!

This is an automated reply. Please carefully read the information below
so that we may best address your complaint. To avoid this message in the
future, you may use [email protected]

Due to the volume of complaints we receive daily we cannot guarantee a
personal response to each message we receive. However, we will endeavor
to reply to individual inquiries in cases where a personal response is
requested or necessary. Otherwise, please rest assured that we will take
necessary action to ensure our Terms of Service (as well as applicable
US/state laws) are being respected.

###########################################
# Common concerns:
###########################################

- Spam / Unsolicited Bulk Email

DreamHost has a very strong policy against spam
(http://www.dreamhost.com/spam.html), and does not tolerate it in
conjunction with the services we provide. If you receive a spam message
(email or newsgroup based) associated with one of our clients, please
forward it to us with full and complete headers as well as the body of
the message itself. Email headers can be trivially forged, and only with
the proper tracking data can we ascertain their actual origin.

- Denial of Service / Server Exploits / Cracking

If you have reason to believe that one of our clients is attempting to
breach the security of one of your computers or is otherwise behaving in
a manner detrimental to network resources, please send us complete and
thorough logging information (ie. time/date, IP addresses or host names,
etc), as well as any other background information that may be of use.

- Copyright Violation / Trademarks

We do not allow our customers to misuse intellectual property belonging
to others. If you feel that someone has misappropriated your content,
please let us know. We may require proof of ownership, so please forward
any relevant documentation related to your rights to the content in question.

- Concerns About Site Content

Concerns over the specific content of a DreamHost hosted site should be
referred to the site's operator. As a part of our commitment to free
speech and expression, DreamHost does not censor the content of its
hosted sites beyond the removal of illegal content and protecting the
security and integrity of shared network/server resources.

###########################################
# Potentially Useful Resources:
###########################################

DH Terms Of Service, Spam Policies & Resources:
- httpx://www.dreamhost.com/tos.html (Terms of Service)
- httpx://www.dreamhost.com/spam.html (Spam Policies)
- httpx://www.dreamhost.com/privacy.html (Privacy Policy)

Spam Resources:
- httpx://www.spamcon.org/ (SpamCon organization)
- httpx://www.spamcop.net/ (Spam tracking/filtering)
- httpx://news.spamcop.net/cgi-bin/fom?file=19 (Revealing full headers)

Intellectual Property:
- httpx://templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html (10 copyright myths)

Other:
- httpx://www.ncmec.org/ (Stopping online child abuse)
- httpx://www.cert.org/ (CERT coordination center)
- httpx://www.symantec.com/avcenter/ (Symantec Virus info)

...

Thank you,

- DreamHost Abuse Team

Red Polak

14th June 2006, 01:16

I sent them a modified version of your original the_last_straw.

Added in this link which says about the website breaching the Polish constitution:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-05/...ent_4614345.htm (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-05/29/content_4614345.htm)

Get those nazis shut down! :hammer:

Guest

14th June 2006, 12:18

comrades!

news from the front:
<removed by request>
hahahaha!

Bazza

14th June 2006, 12:26

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 09:19 AM
comrades!

news from the front:
http://www.***************/forum/showthread.php?p=3088856

hahahaha!
580 Server Error
This Web page could not be opened. A connection to the page could not be made. Please click the Reload or Refresh button to try again.

Vladislav

14th June 2006, 12:33

Originally posted by Bazza+Jun 14 2006, 09:27 AM--> (Bazza @ Jun 14 2006, 09:27 AM)
[email protected] 14 2006, 09:19 AM
comrades!

news from the front:
http://www.***************/forum/showthread.php?p=3088856

hahahaha!
580 Server Error
This Web page could not be opened. A connection to the page could not be made. Please click the Reload or Refresh button to try again. [/b]
Works for me...

Bazza

14th June 2006, 12:42

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 09:34 AM
Works for me...
I must have a bullshit detector fitted to my pc. That's why I can't view it.

Forward Union

14th June 2006, 12:48

Originally posted by Bazza+Jun 14 2006, 09:43 AM--> (Bazza @ Jun 14 2006, 09:43 AM)
[email protected] 14 2006, 09:34 AM
Works for me...
I must have a bullshit detector fitted to my pc. That's why I can't view it. [/b]
you have aol.

Guest

14th June 2006, 13:14

oh yeah, do NOT click the link!

should have included that before....

can maybe a mod add that to the original message please?

clicking the link allows stormfront to see a referrer id which will link them to this thread. They probably wouldn't check but could.

Forward Union

14th June 2006, 13:35

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 10:15 AM
oh yeah, do NOT click the link!

should have included that before....

can maybe a mod add that to the original message please?

clicking the link allows stormfront to see a referrer id which will link them to this thread. They probably wouldn't check but could.
I can promise you, they already know. But whatever, I'll take the link dowm, just in case.

the_last_straw

14th June 2006, 15:38

Haha. That's freaking awesome. I *stupidly* clicked the link but luckily I had a referrer spoofer so they won't see it coming from here. No response from dreamhost, will send another letter tonight if it isn't cleared up.

Red Polak

14th June 2006, 15:57

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 01:39 PM
Haha. That's freaking awesome. I *stupidly* clicked the link but luckily I had a referrer spoofer so they won't see it coming from here. No response from dreamhost, will send another letter tonight if it isn't cleared up.
indeed.

the desire to tease the nazis is almost overwhelming. :P Best not though.

What referrer spoofer are you using? Sounds like a good idea.

nerifr

14th June 2006, 17:29

in Europe there is a big groups of Antifa Hooligans,
the meaning of antifa in Anti Faschist, most of them in spain, germany , italy and some in russia france and scandinavia.

those hooligans are crazy, the faschists is afraid from them :)

RedAnarchist

14th June 2006, 17:31

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 03:30 PM
those hooligans are crazy, the faschists is afraid from them :)
Good, they should be. :)

Guest

14th June 2006, 19:41

Automated reply from DreamHost... But so far so good lads and ladies!

Any more sites out there that could do with a good red kicking??

lithium

14th June 2006, 19:42

^^ That was me.. I keep forgetting to log in! :)

Janus

14th June 2006, 20:02

Wait, redwatch.org.uk is still up.

But I'm happy that the site sponsors have finally done something though the fascists will probably register some new sites. :angry:

lithium

14th June 2006, 20:07

Yes you can access it via www.redwatch.org.uk/indexx.html, but the links on the page are all broken links and it's not possible to get any further than that page.

Janus

14th June 2006, 20:12

:blink:
OK, that was strange.

I entered redwatch.org.uk a few minutes ago and now it says that I can't get in.

lithium

14th June 2006, 20:43

That's REDWatch, as in Redfern Eveleigh Darlington Waterloo. It's a community development group, and has nothing to do with the fascist redwatch we're dealing with.

Janus

14th June 2006, 20:49

My mistake...again.

I was thinking of the Redwatch spawn sites in Australia and New Zealand like Leftwatch or whatever.

polak

14th June 2006, 21:01

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 04:42 PM
Automated reply from DreamHost... But so far so good lads and ladies!

Any more sites out there that could do with a good red kicking??
I got the automated reply, so I just sent the same message to the first email addy in that reply.

Still waiting from that.

lithium

14th June 2006, 21:06

An easy mistake :)

But it might be a good idea to keep an eye out for 'hit-list' sites popping up on the net.

the_last_straw

14th June 2006, 23:23

I'm using the RefControl extension for firefox.

Just to add a note, if you send a copy of the email to me, you may add this line to your email:
I have sent a copy of this email to the_last_straw [at] safe-mail.net for legal reference.

I cannot access redwatch.org.uk. Chances are you were seeing a cached version of it from your hard drive.

Let's keep hammering them. I have sent a reminder email to dreamhost. Since they have recieved multiple emails I have decided it would be best to contact them using a variety of emails/methods.

Send your dreamhost (redwatch.info) messages to:
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]

You may also use this web contact form:
http://dreamhost.com/contact.cgi

the_last_straw

15th June 2006, 04:55

Reminder email sent. Keep pounding them guys!

Guest

15th June 2006, 05:52

Due to a hystericalcampaign by Marxist moaners against Redwatch we have decided to use various domain names, each with a different server, for this site. Please click on one of the links below to enter REDWATCH. If the site is not available on your chosen link, click your back button and try another.

Haha... *****es...

Good work Comrades! But I've noticed redwatch.info is still up. Keep up the good work!

lithium

15th June 2006, 15:43

If DreamHost don't do anything soon, I'll start adding Polish and US police addresses to the CC box.

lithium

15th June 2006, 17:06

Tworca is linked from redwatch.info. It also has lots of other links to fascist sites. Let's get to work ;)

[Honestly folks, if you could refrain from directly linking to fascist sites, that would be great. Plus, the_last_straw, I deleted the post you wanted me to delete -- Armchair Socialism. :) ]

Good point. Sorry about that, I'll keep an eye out in future :)

Other sites are stormfront, and Ireland Awake (this one is so bigotted it's unreal! Also links to several other sites)

the_last_straw

15th June 2006, 23:11

Alright, I've been CCed like 4 more letters since we started this and dreamhost has still refused to take it down. Here is the response I got (stupid assholes)

As a matter of policy we don't generally comment on the status of
abuse-related cases after they have been brought to our attention,
but I will say that we are aware of the site and the concerns
associated with it. Beyond that, we cannot comment any further.

I'm sorry I could not be of more help.

- Jeff C.
- Abuse Coordinator, DreamHost Web Hosting - http://www.dreamhost.com/

We need emails of Polish, US, and British police to CC these emails to. I have replied telling them that further action will be taken and that I have a right to know why they have not removed the site.

the_last_straw

15th June 2006, 23:17

I sent this reply to them:

Dear Jeff,
As I stated before, I will continue to pursue this issue until it is resolved. I know that you have recieved letters months before mine and therefore the "waiting period" for the owner of redwatch.info is over. I deserve to know what's going on.
Please Respond,
Darrel Johnson

If they don't wise up really fast they are going to be in a world of hell.

lithium

16th June 2006, 19:28

Indeed. I've contacted a few people. Dreamhost can expect dozens if not hundreds of complaint emails over the next few days.

the_last_straw

16th June 2006, 22:32

Alright, I sent them another reminder email this morning. Again, if they don't wise up real fast they're going to pay.

If you are a customer at dreamhost please tell them that you will leave if they do not remove the site because it threatens your reputation.

I'm also really amazed that the other redwatch mirrors have stayed down so long. I'm going back and editing my original post so that new members can join in on the action easier and that all the information is accessible in one place.

Guest

16th June 2006, 22:48

Maybe this thread should be stickied for anti-fascist work??

Guest

16th June 2006, 22:57

Shit.

The .org.uk site for redwatch is still up.

the_last_straw

16th June 2006, 23:08

Hmmm... It's down on my end but I do see an "alive" version using several proxies. Some ISPs "cache" content which means that they keep a backup. Looks like you are seeing the cache. It would help if people who can see it would respond with their country and ISP (AOL, COMCAST, etc.) so that we could determine who is seeing the site and why.

the_last_straw

16th June 2006, 23:11

I sent a letter to siteground to see what was up:

Dear Siteground,
I contacted you earlier about redwatch.org.uk, redwatch.co.uk, and redwatch.net. You suspended the account that hosted these sites. I have asked about 10-15 people about half of which could see the site and half got the site suspended page (which I saw earlier). Is there any possible explanation for this?
Please Reply,
xxxxxxx

lithium

16th June 2006, 23:17

I've emailed 123-Reg to get them to disable the domain name. I've also gotten back to SiteGround and asked them to permanently delete the site or at least set appropriate permissions on the files.

By the way, I'm on Eircom Broadband in Ireland.

the_last_straw

16th June 2006, 23:20

Thanks. We need to keep pounding dreamhost because they aren't playing nice. I'm going to have to go into any means necessary mode soon if nothing happens to redwatch.info. Should I make a default letter for the registrars?

lithium

16th June 2006, 23:25

For anyone to send to them? Yeah sure. If we can't get at the hosts, domain registration sites will make a start.

And yes, let's keep pounding Dreamhost. I'm working on rounding up some more people involved.

the_last_straw

16th June 2006, 23:39

Alright. I'll edit my first post once I've formulated the letter(s)

Qwerty Dvorak

17th June 2006, 00:31

Is the traceroute in the letter a constant, i.e. do I have to change it when sending the email?

And also, is this website illegal in the Republic of Ireland?

the_last_straw

17th June 2006, 01:54

I'm not so sure about Irish law. You might want to look into an ACLU-like organization for Ireland as they might know. You don't have to change the traceroute unless the host changes (in which case I will change the entire sample letter)

*Registrar sample letter for redwatch.info added*

Guest

17th June 2006, 02:42

I'll see what I can find out about website legality in Ireland, but on thinking about it, does the legality of a site where it's being viewed have any relevance? Shouldn't the fact that it's illegal in the host country be enough?

Qwerty Dvorak

17th June 2006, 02:58

I was just wondering about the part of the sample letter that says 'Redwatch is an illegal site where I am viewing it (Country Name)'. I don't want to claim it's illegal in Ireland if it isn't as I have a feeling any kind of slip up will be more than enough of an excuse for them to ignore me.

lithium

17th June 2006, 03:05

I hear ya. I'm just wondering about that myself. INHOPE.ie might have some info, but I can't seem to find anything...

I suppose that sentence could be left out for now in the case of Ireland (and any other country with undetermined legality).

Qwerty Dvorak

17th June 2006, 03:19

Good point, I'm going to leave that sentence out and send the email now. The country in which it is being viewed should, as has already been pointed out, be irrelevant anyway.

Also, just a suggestion, I think it would be better to take out the words 'about communism', changing the sentence to just 'It posts personal information of people who share similar political views', as that is really all that matters. Whether or not these views concern Communism in any way shouldn't be a factor. After all, I should hope it isn't going to gain us Dreamhost's dislike, and it sure as hell isn't going to gain us their favor.

lithium

17th June 2006, 03:37

lol exactly! Especially if they don't hurry up and reply soon..

I'd tend to agree with the Communism part. One reason being that surely it's not only Communists that are being targeted, another being that the intent of the is wrong, regardless of views held.

Could you get the CRMI active on this campaign?

Qwerty Dvorak

17th June 2006, 03:44

Oh how I wish I could get the CRMI active on any campaign. Half the time I can't even access the damn thing. I will try, though.

EDIT: I can access the site now, but it's not letting me log in. I've tried everything. *Immense frustration*

the_last_straw

17th June 2006, 04:33

I edited the templates. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

The only reason I say it is illegal in the country I am viewing it in is that it shows that I could use law enforcment against them although it's not a very realistic threat.

Qwerty Dvorak

17th June 2006, 15:40

Shit, all 3 sites are back up, for me anyway.

It said they were inactive yesterday.

lithium

17th June 2006, 17:55

redwatch.info has been reported to INHOPE.

the_last_straw

17th June 2006, 18:14

Yup, they are back up. I have modified the sample letter and sent my first email to the new host.

lithium

17th June 2006, 18:59

I've contacted uncensored-hosting and faxed Dreamhost a couple of times.

I'm thinking of downloading and editing that free fax page to automatically send a fax at regular intervals...

anti-authoritarian

17th June 2006, 19:15

Quick point,

Don't include your name or any personal info if you are writing/e-mailing them. They will simply add your details to the site. (the same applies to the BNP)

the_last_straw

17th June 2006, 19:40

Good point. I got a reply from uncensored-hosting.com:

What has come to your attention are mis-information. We do not host the three (3) domains listed. Moreover the legality of a domain can only be decided by a court of competent jurisdiction. Please forward a certified copy from the same ordering the publishers of said domain to cease and desist to the following address if you wish us to act on a complaint illegality:

General Counsel
Uncensored-Hosting
POB 90068
Los Angeles, CA 90009

Respectfully,
Jeffery Washington
Abuse & Compliance Department

"We do not host the three (3) domains listed. "
Sure... traceroute are so unreliable these days.

Reply sent:

Dear Jefferey,
While I do not own the copyright to those articles, I can assure you that they were used without permission. In addition, that is not the only complaint I am lodging against redwatch.info. I can get the courts of competent juristiction involved, but I'm sure you would like to avoid lawsuits for criminal neglect.

If you aren't the host, then who is:

1 161.58.14.161 (161.58.14.161) 0.431 ms 0.270 ms 0.238 ms
2 ge-1-2-0.378.r01.stngva01.us.wh.verio.net (204.2.127.185) 53.398 ms * 3.356 ms
3 vl-5.r01.stngva01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.27.190) 0.470 ms 0.360 ms 0.323 ms
4 xe-1-2-0.r20.asbnva01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.2.84) 2.424 ms 0.921 ms 0.782 ms
5 p16-0.uunet.asbnva01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.9.70) 2.257 ms 2.077 ms 1.810 ms
6 0.so-5-0-0.XL1.DCA5.ALTER.NET (152.63.43.170) 1.758 ms 1.954 ms 8.390 ms
7 0.so-3-0-0.XL1.DFW13.ALTER.NET (152.63.98.121) 36.027 ms 38.113 ms 36.143 ms
8 POS6-0.GW1.DFW13.ALTER.NET (152.63.103.85) 36.066 ms 36.005 ms 36.083 ms
9 theplanet-gw.customer.alter.net (157.130.143.226) 35.694 ms 35.232 ms 35.197 ms
10 vl31.dsr01.dllstx3.theplanet.com (70.85.127.29) 44.182 ms 35.907 ms 35.692 ms
11 vl41.dsr01.dllstx4.theplanet.com (70.85.127.83) 120.083 ms 174.651 ms 207.745 ms
12 gi1-0-1.car07.dllstx4.theplanet.com (67.19.255.26) 36.215 ms 36.166 ms 36.171 ms
13 ns3.uncensored-hosting.com (67.19.97.178) 36.266 ms 36.598 ms 36.005 ms

The traceroute makes it more than obvious that you are the host.
xxxxxx

I posted this comment on the indymedia article:

A few of my comrades and I were able to take down redwatch.co.uk, redwatch.net, and redwatch.org.uk last week. They are back up and we need your help to take them down (ESPECIALLY REDWATCH.INFO!). Redwatch.info is hosted by dreamhost who have been real assholes. I've heard through the grapevine that Dreamhost has sustained DDoS attacks and mailbombings so they can't have much left in them.

Here is the dreamhost contact information:
Host: [email protected], [email protected]
714-990-2600 <-- Dreamhost fax #

Send free faxes using these links. Let's tie up those phone lines!
http://www.tpc.int/sendfax.html
http://www.ourfax.com/webfax/
http://freefax.com/ff_snd.html

Here is a sample letter to send to dreamhost:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dear Dreamhost,
It has come to my attention that you are the web host of redwatch.info.

Traceroute:
1 161.58.14.161 (161.58.14.161) 0.349 ms 0.344 ms 0.253 ms
2 ge-1-2-0.378.r01.stngva01.us.wh.verio.net (204.2.127.185) 0.447 ms 0.285 ms 0.278 ms
3 vl-5.r01.stngva01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.27.190) 0.295 ms 0.347 ms 0.313 ms
4 * xe-1-2-0.r20.asbnva01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.2.84) 0.435 ms 0.459 ms
5 p64-2-2-0.r20.mlpsca01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.2.10) 65.193 ms 64.421 ms 64.472 ms
6 p64-1-2-0.r20.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.4.115) 71.906 ms 106.807 ms 71.920 ms
7 xe-4-1.r00.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.5.33) 71.934 ms 71.932 ms 71.916 ms
8 xe-1-1.a00.lsanca17.us.ra.gin.ntt.net (129.250.29.115) 71.903 ms 71.957 ms 71.973 ms
9 te-1-3.a00.lsanca17.us.ce.verio.net (206.183.201.162) 206.502 ms 158.285 ms 199.748 ms
10 border1.po1-bbnet1.ext1a.lax.pnap.net (216.52.255.31) 72.082 ms 72.028 ms 72.075 ms
11 newdream-1.border1.ext1a.lax.pnap.net (216.52.220.78) 121.273 ms 72.395 ms 72.116 ms
12 basic-red.paramount.dreamhost.com (208.113.133.123) 73.854 ms 73.562 ms 73.526 ms

Redwatch is an illegal site where I am viewing it (The United States) and where you are located (The United States). It posts personal information of people who share similar political views. The information is posted with the intention of causing physical harm to these individuals. The site owners are well aware of this. In fact, harm has been caused to various individuals including this most recent case where somebody was stabbed due to their information getting posted on redwatch:
http://www.indymedia.org/en/2006/05/839847.shtml

Redwatch.info is violating these subsections of your Terms of Service:

Customer may only use DreamHost Webhosting's Server for lawful purpose. Transmission of any material in violation of any Country, Federal, State or Local regulation is prohibited. To this effect, child pornography is strictly prohibited as well as housing any copyrighted information (to which the customer does not hold the copyright) on DreamHost Webhosting's Server.

You have been hereby notified of the illegal activities occuring on your servers. You have been provided sufficient evidence regarding the illegal activities and violations of your terms of service. Refusal or neglect to remove these sites will result in further action which could result in prosecution for knowingly and willingly allowing criminal activities to occur on your server and criminal neglect. From this point on, you will be held responsible for any damage that occurs as a result of your hosting of these sites. You should forward any information you have on the website owners to the UN Human Rights Council, the FBI, and the New Scotland Yard. I will continue to pursue this issue until it is resolved.
Please Respond,
xxxxxx

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Here's a sample letter to send to the registrar of redwatch.info: [email protected]
Dear WildWestDomains,
It has come to my attention that you are the registrar of redwatch.info.

Domain ID:D12099006-LRMS
Domain Name:REDWATCH.INFO
Created On:12-Feb-2006 17:03:23 UTC
Last Updated On:13-Apr-2006 20:32:07 UTC
Expiration Date:12-Feb-2007 17:03:23 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Wild West Domains (R213-LRMS)
Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT RENEW PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:GODA-017480812
Registrant Name:Registration Private
Registrant Organization:Domains by Proxy, Inc.
Registrant Street1:DomainsByProxy.com
Registrant Street2:15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Scottsdale
Registrant State/Province:Arizona
Registrant Postal Code:85260
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.4806242599
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email: [email protected]
Admin ID:GODA-217480812
Admin Name:Registration Private
Admin Organization:Domains by Proxy, Inc.
Admin Street1:DomainsByProxy.com
Admin Street2:15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Admin Street3:
Admin City:Scottsdale
Admin State/Province:Arizona
Admin Postal Code:85260
Admin Country:US
Admin Phone:+1.4806242599
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX:
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin Email: [email protected]
Billing ID:GODA-317480812
Billing Name:Registration Private
Billing Organization:Domains by Proxy, Inc.
Billing Street1:DomainsByProxy.com
Billing Street2:15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Billing Street3:
Billing City:Scottsdale
Billing State/Province:Arizona
Billing Postal Code:85260
Billing Country:US
Billing Phone:+1.4806242599
Billing Phone Ext.:
Billing FAX:
Billing FAX Ext.:
Billing Email: [email protected]
Tech ID:GODA-117480812
Tech Name:Registration Private
Tech Organization:Domains by Proxy, Inc.
Tech Street1:DomainsByProxy.com
Tech Street2:15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Tech Street3:
Tech City:Scottsdale
Tech State/Province:Arizona
Tech Postal Code:85260
Tech Country:US
Tech Phone:+1.4806242599
Tech Phone Ext.:
Tech FAX:
Tech FAX Ext.:
Tech Email: [email protected]
Name Server:NS1.DREAMHOST.COM
Name Server:NS2.DREAMHOST.COM
Name Server:NS3.DREAMHOST.COM

Redwatch is an illegal site where I am viewing it (The United States) and where you are located (The United States). It posts personal information of people who share similar political views about communism. The information is posted with the intention of causing physical harm to these individuals. The site owners are well aware of this. In fact, harm has been caused to various individuals including this most recent case where somebody was stabbed due to their information getting posted on redwatch:
http://www.indymedia.org/en/2006/05/839847.shtml

Redwatch also posts slanderous information about individuals or groups that have communist beliefs.

Redwatch.info is violating these subsections of your Terms of Service:

As a condition of Your use of Wild West ’s Software and Services, You agree not to use them for any purpose that is unlawful or prohibited by these terms and conditions, and You agree to comply with any applicable local, state, federal and international laws, government rules or requirements. You agree You will not be entitled to a refund of any fees paid to Wild West if, for any reason, Wild West takes corrective action with respect to Your improper or illegal use of its Services.

Except as set forth below, Wild West may also cancel Your use of the Services, after thirty (30) days, if You are using the Services in association with spam or morally objectionable activities. Morally objectionable activities will include, but not be limited to: activities designed to defame, embarrass, harm, abuse, threaten, slander or harass third parties; activities prohibited by the laws of the United States and/or foreign territories in which You conduct business; activities designed to encourage unlawful behavior by others, such as hate crimes, terrorism and child pornography; activities that are tortuous, vulgar, obscene, invasive of the privacy of a third party, racially, ethnically, or otherwise objectionable; activities designed to impersonate the identity of a third party; illegal access to other computers or networks (i.e., hacking); distribution of Internet viruses or similar destructive activities; and activities designed to harm minors in any way. Notwithstanding anything to the contrary herein, in the event Wild West cancels Your Services during the first thirty (30) days after You purchase the Services, You will receive a refund of any fees paid to Wild West in connection with the Services being canceled. In the event Wild West deletes Your Services because they are being used in association with spam or morally objectionable activities, no refund will be issued. You agree You will not be entitled to a refund of any fees paid to Wild West if, for any reason, Wild West takes corrective action with respect to Your improper or illegal use of its Services.

You have been hereby notified of the illegal activities occuring on your servers. You have been provided sufficient evidence regarding the illegal activities and violations of your terms of service. Refusal or neglect to remove these sites will result in further action which could result in prosecution for knowingly and willingly allowing criminal activities to occur on your server and criminal neglect. From this point on, you will be held responsible for any damage that occurs as a result of your hosting of these sites. You should forward any information you have on the website owners to the UN Human Rights Council, the FBI, and the New Scotland Yard. I will continue to pursue this issue until it is resolved.
Please Respond,
XXXXXX

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Here's a sample letter to send to the host of redwatch.org.uk, redwatch.co.uk, and redwatch.net
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] might also work
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To whom it may concern,
It has come to my attention that you are the web host of redwatch.org.uk,redwatch.co.uk, and redwatch.net through this traceroute:
Tracing route to redwatch.net ...

1 161.58.14.161 (161.58.14.161) 0.431 ms 0.270 ms 0.238 ms
2 ge-1-2-0.378.r01.stngva01.us.wh.verio.net (204.2.127.185) 53.398 ms * 3.356 ms
3 vl-5.r01.stngva01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.27.190) 0.470 ms 0.360 ms 0.323 ms
4 xe-1-2-0.r20.asbnva01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.2.84) 2.424 ms 0.921 ms 0.782 ms
5 p16-0.uunet.asbnva01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.9.70) 2.257 ms 2.077 ms 1.810 ms
6 0.so-5-0-0.XL1.DCA5.ALTER.NET (152.63.43.170) 1.758 ms 1.954 ms 8.390 ms
7 0.so-3-0-0.XL1.DFW13.ALTER.NET (152.63.98.121) 36.027 ms 38.113 ms 36.143 ms
8 POS6-0.GW1.DFW13.ALTER.NET (152.63.103.85) 36.066 ms 36.005 ms 36.083 ms
9 theplanet-gw.customer.alter.net (157.130.143.226) 35.694 ms 35.232 ms 35.197 ms
10 vl31.dsr01.dllstx3.theplanet.com (70.85.127.29) 44.182 ms 35.907 ms 35.692 ms
11 vl41.dsr01.dllstx4.theplanet.com (70.85.127.83) 120.083 ms 174.651 ms 207.745 ms
12 gi1-0-1.car07.dllstx4.theplanet.com (67.19.255.26) 36.215 ms 36.166 ms 36.171 ms
13 ns3.uncensored-hosting.com (67.19.97.178) 36.266 ms 36.598 ms 36.005 ms

These sites are run by pro-nazi activists who publish personal information of persons with similar political views with the intent of having them attacked. Here are some quotes from their site:

"Frank Ormston
Tel. 01904 340846
9 Waverley Street, York YO13 7QZ

Geoff Collier
Tel. 01482 858383
307 Homethorpe, Hull HU6 9HR

Graham Hellawell
2 Leonard Street, Huddersfield HD2 1AB

Janet Terry
Tel. 0130288435
Mob 07713764860
49 King George Square Doncaster DN3 1PQ

Nicholas Riley
E-mail: [email protected]
Tel. 0114 2343647
79 Beechwood Road, Sheffield S6 4LQ

Roland. J .W
9 Moor Street, Worcester WR 1 3DB

Geoff Collier
Tel. 01482 858383 307
Homethorpe Hull HU6 9HR

Gerry Gable
49 Herent Drive, Clay Hall, Ilford, Essex

Michael Fenwick
Tel. 0113 3070127
47 Roundhay Avenue, Leeds LS8 4DU

Mike Davies
E-mail: [email protected]
Tel. 0113 2624442
Mobile 07811384888
18 Oak Road, Leeds LS7 3JU

Steve Silver's Brother
02085508239
18 Stradbroke Grove, Ilford Essex 1GS 0DN

Stuart Craft
Mobile 07733 274324
4 Cranes Bill Way, Oxford OX4 7WP "

As you can see, this provided enough information for these people to be attacked merely because of their political views. In fact people have been attacked and the owners of this website are very aware:
" A few days ago, at 6pm on the evening of the 16th of May, at the corner of Tamka and Dobrej streets in Warsaw, an antifascist activist was attacked by two nazis, with clear intentions to kill him. They had been following him, and suddenly, one of them stepped in front on him and sprayed him with pepper gas. Then the other one stabbed him in his back with a 30cm long knife. Maciek fell on the ground and was kicked by the nazis for a while, with them shouting "We'll kill you, you leftist motherfucker!".

Maciek was taken to the hospital and underwent serious life-saving surgery (when he got to the hospital the doctors said that his condition was "critical"), and is now recovering. He still is not 100% recovered, he still has blood in his lungs. He says that he is sure that the attack was due to the recent appearance of his personal data on a nazi site called "redwatch" (www.redwatch.info) which publishes names, addresses, photos and other personal data of human rights activists in order to encourage violent attacks against them. Redwatch is a web-site that has existed for several months now and it promotes the idea of "killing the enemies of the race" and the organization behind this is a very radical neofascist "Blood and Honor". The problem is that Maciek didn't have medical insurance, so that he may be forced to pay up to 20,000 PLN (5000 euros)."

source: http://www.indymedia.org/en/2006/05/839847.shtml

In addition, these sites are violating these subsections of your terms of service:

ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES: Photography by Gus/Uncensored-Hosting.com services may not be used for illegal purposes, or in support of illegal activities. Photography by Gus/Uncensored-Hosting.com reserves the right to cooperate with legal authorities and/or injured third parties in the investigation of any suspected crime or civil wrongdoing.

HARM OR ENDANGERMENT: You may not use Photography by Gus/Uncensored-Hosting.com’s service to harm, or attempt to harm, minors in any way, including, but not limited to proliferation, or dissemination of child pornography, bestiality or any illegal content. This includes advertisments and/or links to such content. Client agrees not to use Photography by Gus/Uncensored-Hosting.com’s service to transmit any material (by e-mail, uploading, posting or otherwise) that threatens or encourages bodily harm or destruction of property.

COPYRIGHT OR TRADEMARK INFRINGEMENT: Use of Photography by Gus/Uncensored-Hosting.com hosting services to transmit any material (by e-mail, uploading, posting or otherwise) that infringes any copyright, trademark, patent, trade secret or other proprietary rights of any third party, including, but not limited to, the unauthorized copying of copyrighted material, the digitization and distribution of photographs from magazines, books, or other copyrighted sources, and the unauthorized transmittal of copyrighted software is strictly prohibited. Use of Photography by Gus/Uncensored-Hosting.com hosting service to collect, or attempt to collect, personal information about third parties without their knowledge or consent are strictly prohibited. Distribution and/or posting of copyrighted or the aforementioned infringements will not be tolerated.

At redwatch.org.uk/why.html you may see several articles that were reprinted without the Author's permission.

I will leave it to you to remove these sites. You have the moral and legal obligation to do so. Please take down these sites and forward any information you have on the owners to the FBI and UN Human Rights Council. You have been hereby notified of the illegal activities occurring on your server and sufficient evidence has been provided. Failure, refusal, or neglect to remove these sites will result in further action which could include prosecution for knowingly and willingly allowing criminal activities to occur on your server as well as criminal neglect. This site is illegal under US federal law (Where I am viewing this page and where you are located) and the Polish Constitution (where the site owners are located) I will continue to pursue this issue until it is resolved.

Please Respond,
MYNAMEHERE
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Comrade Don

17th June 2006, 20:10

What ever happened to hacking into sites? Iam sure someone on this forum is capable of putting a big ass hammer and sickle on their homepage.

the_last_straw

17th June 2006, 20:31

I really don't think we should be planning illegal activites although as I mentioned before they have been occuring and will occur if things don't start looking up. (Of course, I would not do anything illegal)

I got a reply from the redwatch.*.uk host (total dumbasses)

Pay attention sir. I did not say we were not the host. I said we did not host "the three (3) domains listed." We only host one (1) of them. Furthermore we can not be held liable for criminal neglect when a crime has not been established. As previously stated only a court of law can determine that the domain(s) listed are violating any law. We can only be held in contempt of a court order when the same has been delivered to us and we refuse to comply with the same.

Again your claim of illegality are unsubstantiated. I suggest you start by getting your facts straight:

Tracing route to redwatch.info [208.113.133.123]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 12 ms 12 ms 12 ms adsl-69-230-207-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net [69.2
30.207.254]
2 12 ms 12 ms 12 ms dist4-vlan50.irvnca.sbcglobal.net [67.114.50.2]

3 11 ms 12 ms 11 ms bb2-g2-0.irvnca.sbcglobal.net [151.164.41.239]
4 13 ms 13 ms 12 ms 151.164.42.75
5 12 ms 13 ms 12 ms bb1-p1-0.crrvca.sbcglobal.net [151.164.40.254]
6 14 ms 14 ms 15 ms ex2-p6-0.eqlaca.sbcglobal.net [151.164.40.228]
7 15 ms 14 ms 15 ms asn3549-glbx.eqlaca.sbcglobal.net [151.164.248.1
06]
8 15 ms 16 ms 15 ms so1-2-1-2488M.scr2.LAX1.gblx.net [67.17.95.205]

9 15 ms 15 ms 14 ms pos2-0-2488M.cr2.LAX1.gblx.net [67.17.104.158]
10 15 ms 15 ms 15 ms so2-1-0-622M.ar1.LAX3.gblx.net [67.17.64.45]
11 16 ms 15 ms 16 ms GE1-GX.dreamhost.com [67.17.162.162]
12 16 ms 16 ms 16 ms basic-red.paramount.dreamhost.com [208.113.133.1
23]

Trace complete.

Respectfully,
Jeffrey Washington
Abuse & Compliance Department

My reply:

It seems that you are assuming I'm talking about redwatch.info. I do know that redwatch.info is hosted by dreamhost and I have contacted them. The sites you host are redwatch.org.uk, redwatch.net, and redwatch.co.uk (All of which traceroute to your server(s)). While I am not legally qualified to determine wether this site commits illegal activities or not, anybody with more than half a brain could see that it is. It is advocating violence against persons or groups and has resulted in the stabbings and killings of several people merely because of their real or percieved political views.
Please Respond,
xxxxx

the_last_straw

18th June 2006, 01:07

This really pisses me off. Here's the response from the host of redwatch.*.uk who originally lied to me about even hosting the site:

Mr Johnson:

If this were true anyone with a half a brain would have filed a complaint with the appropiate law enforcement agency or judical body for real redress. Please understand that IPP/ISP's are not required to nor should they be required to monitor, support or otherwise stand in judgement of their clients political view(s) or content. If we were burdened with such requirements your right to speak out against these sites would be curtailed along with everyone elses right to speak out or for whatever their political view may be by countless employees of each IPP/ISP.

You are asking us to do for you what you obviously can not accomplish legally despite the fact the same are not in the interest of free speech and without legal merit. We will not entertain your argument, support your cause or our clients cause for that matter. We will only defend freedom of speech, compliance with our terms of service and the law.

Rather than waste your time sending us emails you should engage the publishers of these domains in the appropiate legal forum, win said legal argument and/or let it go. For the third time and by your own admission I might add, your complaint is unfounded. Take your complaint to the appropiate authority, send us a certifed copy of a disposition favorable to your point of view and we will be happy to act on the same. Until then there is nothing we can or will do for you.

Last but not least I did not appreciate your half a brain comment. Furthermore absent a legal basis certified by a court of competent jurisdiction we have nothing more to discuss. Accordingly any further correspondence regarding this matter in it's unfounded state will be ignored.

Jeffrey Washington
Abuse & Compliance

Please send these guys some emails since it seems they won't listen to emails from me anymore. Fucking bastards.

Guest

18th June 2006, 01:50

Hackers of the world UNITE!

Lets take down these NAZI assholes!

Find all of the hacking forums online that you can and enlist their help
most are revolutionarys albeit not active ones. You should be able to find many comrades there!

Good Luck

the_last_straw

18th June 2006, 01:53

Please, illegal action is already being taken. There is no reason why this forum has the be the center for it. Mods, please do something.

lithium

18th June 2006, 02:30

Lozzle.

Right. Let's take it to legal action. For now, who is the registrant of the domain?

Could the hosting service be held responsible for the illegal material?

*checks emails*

Ok I've received a reply "What has come to your attention are mis-information." etc etc. I'm gonna check each of the domains, and I've a few friends who know a lot more about networks and the Internet than I do, so I'll get them to check stuff out.

the_last_straw, although I find your response from the host quite obnoxious, they may be right about the whole 'half-brain' thing. Of course you're right, but when in 'official' correspondence maybe we should keep things a little more formal.

lithium

18th June 2006, 02:37

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2006, 10:51 PM
Hackers of the world UNITE!

Lets take down these NAZI assholes
No. We will fight this as legally as possible, thus maintaining the higher ground (morally and legally :)). But we will win. As can be seen, some hosts are not as willing to take action as we'd like them to, but we must keep fighting.

It may be obvious that the sites contain illegal material, but at the same time one does have to understand that the hosts are following the laws of their country. But like I said, let's keep fighting!

We will win this war.

the_last_straw

18th June 2006, 02:58

Well, I am very experienced in computers and networking. The traceroute clearly shows that they host redwatch. The host explained to me that they didn't host redwatch.info (which wasn't the domain I was complaining about). Perhaps we should fight fire with fire and post information of dreamhost employees responsible for keeping this site up. I sent another reminder email and fax. Let's keep the pressure on because it's all we have against them except for the law. If we make life miserable for them then they will have to take the site down.

Guest

18th June 2006, 04:16

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2006, 11:59 PM
Perhaps we should fight fire with fire and post information of dreamhost employees responsible for keeping this site up.
I disagree. If we do that we are lowering ourselves to the level of redwatch. We need to keep this battle as respectable as possible; for now, at least.

You're entirely correct about the hosting (I've done a traceroute via centralops.net). I'll email them this data for all three sites now, if they contend that information, may I use the response you received from them to show that they are contradicting themselves?

Tracing route to redwatch.org.uk [67.19.97.178]...

hop rtt rtt rtt ip address domain name
1 0 0 0 216.46.228.229 port-216-3073253-es128.devices.datareturn.com
2 0 0 0 64.29.192.145 port-64-1949841-zzt0prespect.devices.datareturn.com
3 0 0 0 64.29.192.226 daa.g921.ispb.datareturn.com
4 0 0 0 168.215.241.133 hagg-01-ae0-1001.dlfw.twtelecom.net
5 1 0 1 168.215.241.150
6 0 0 0 70.85.127.61 vl32.dsr01.dllstx3.theplanet.com
7 1 1 1 70.85.127.83 vl41.dsr01.dllstx4.theplanet.com
8 2 1 1 67.19.255.26 gi1-0-1.car07.dllstx4.theplanet.com
9 1 1 1 67.19.97.178 ns3.uncensored-hosting.com

Trace complete

-- end --

Tracing route to redwatch.co.uk [67.19.97.178]...

hop rtt rtt rtt ip address domain name
1 0 0 0 216.46.228.229 port-216-3073253-es128.devices.datareturn.com
2 0 0 0 64.29.192.145 port-64-1949841-zzt0prespect.devices.datareturn.com
3 0 0 0 64.29.192.226 daa.g921.ispb.datareturn.com
4 0 0 0 168.215.241.133 hagg-01-ae0-1001.dlfw.twtelecom.net
5 1 0 0 168.215.241.150
6 0 0 0 70.85.127.61 vl32.dsr01.dllstx3.theplanet.com
7 1 1 1 70.85.127.83 vl41.dsr01.dllstx4.theplanet.com
8 1 1 1 67.19.255.26 gi1-0-1.car07.dllstx4.theplanet.com
9 1 1 1 67.19.97.178 ns3.uncensored-hosting.com

Trace complete

-- end --

Tracing route to redwatch.net [67.19.97.178]...

hop rtt rtt rtt ip address domain name
1 0 0 0 216.46.228.229 port-216-3073253-es128.devices.datareturn.com
2 0 0 0 64.29.192.145 port-64-1949841-zzt0prespect.devices.datareturn.com
3 0 0 0 64.29.192.226 daa.g921.ispb.datareturn.com
4 0 0 0 168.215.241.133 hagg-01-ae0-1001.dlfw.twtelecom.net
5 1 0 0 168.215.241.150
6 0 0 0 70.85.127.61 vl32.dsr01.dllstx3.theplanet.com
7 1 1 1 70.85.127.83 vl41.dsr01.dllstx4.theplanet.com
8 3 1 1 67.19.255.26 gi1-0-1.car07.dllstx4.theplanet.com
9 1 1 1 67.19.97.178 ns3.uncensored-hosting.com

Trace complete

-- end --

Guest

18th June 2006, 04:21

Also, can you post links to sites that contain the laws that redwatch are breaking? I'd like to quote them in my correspondence... ;)

lithium

18th June 2006, 04:41

My previous email to uncensored-hosting....

Dear Jeffery,

Further to my previous email, here is the traceroute information for the redwatch websites that I have looked up:

Tracing route to redwatch.org.uk [67.19.97.178]...

hop rtt rtt rtt ip address domain name
1 0 0 0 216.46.228.229 port-216-3073253-es128.devices.datareturn.com
2 0 0 0 64.29.192.145 port-64-1949841-zzt0prespect.devices.datareturn.com
3 0 0 0 64.29.192.226 daa.g921.ispb.datareturn.com
4 0 0 0 168.215.241.133 hagg-01-ae0-1001.dlfw.twtelecom.net
5 1 0 1 168.215.241.150
6 0 0 0 70.85.127.61 vl32.dsr01.dllstx3.theplanet.com
7 1 1 1 70.85.127.83 vl41.dsr01.dllstx4.theplanet.com
8 2 1 1 67.19.255.26 gi1-0-1.car07.dllstx4.theplanet.com
9 1 1 1 67.19.97.178 ns3.uncensored-hosting.com

Trace complete

-- end --

Tracing route to redwatch.co.uk [67.19.97.178]...

hop rtt rtt rtt ip address domain name
1 0 0 0 216.46.228.229 port-216-3073253-es128.devices.datareturn.com
2 0 0 0 64.29.192.145 port-64-1949841-zzt0prespect.devices.datareturn.com
3 0 0 0 64.29.192.226 daa.g921.ispb.datareturn.com
4 0 0 0 168.215.241.133 hagg-01-ae0-1001.dlfw.twtelecom.net
5 1 0 0 168.215.241.150
6 0 0 0 70.85.127.61 vl32.dsr01.dllstx3.theplanet.com
7 1 1 1 70.85.127.83 vl41.dsr01.dllstx4.theplanet.com
8 1 1 1 67.19.255.26 gi1-0-1.car07.dllstx4.theplanet.com
9 1 1 1 67.19.97.178 ns3.uncensored-hosting.com

Trace complete

-- end --

Tracing route to redwatch.net [67.19.97.178]...

hop rtt rtt rtt ip address domain name
1 0 0 0 216.46.228.229 port-216-3073253-es128.devices.datareturn.com
2 0 0 0 64.29.192.145 port-64-1949841-zzt0prespect.devices.datareturn.com
3 0 0 0 64.29.192.226 daa.g921.ispb.datareturn.com
4 0 0 0 168.215.241.133 hagg-01-ae0-1001.dlfw.twtelecom.net
5 1 0 0 168.215.241.150
6 0 0 0 70.85.127.61 vl32.dsr01.dllstx3.theplanet.com
7 1 1 1 70.85.127.83 vl41.dsr01.dllstx4.theplanet.com
8 3 1 1 67.19.255.26 gi1-0-1.car07.dllstx4.theplanet.com
9 1 1 1 67.19.97.178 ns3.uncensored-hosting.com

Trace complete

-- end --

In your previous email you said "We do not host the three (3) domains listed." As can be seen from the above information, it is clear that uncensored-hosting.com do, in fact, host the three redwatch websites (.org.uk, .net, and .co.uk).

Text excerpts from the Redwatch websites:

"Remember places, traitors' faces, they'll all pay for their crimes."

"SEND US DETAILS OF YOUR LOCAL RED SCUMBAGS - WE WANT THEIR NAMES, ADDRESSES, 'PHONE NUMBERS, PHOTOGRAPHS, WORK DETAILS - ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING ABOUT THEM TO PUBLISH HERE IN THE SAME WAY AS THEY ARE DOING TO OUR PEOPLE. WE ARE GOING TO GIVE THEM EXACTLY THE SAME TREATMENT AS THEY ARE GIVING US - AND WE'LL GIVE AS GOOD AS WE GET!"

"...it is a warning to the reds and their fellow travellers that whatever they know about us, we know a hell of a lot more about them...and unlike them we have the guts and means to act on that information effectively!"

Again, I will ask that your company close down these websites, as they encourage violent attacks (which have already happened in the past).

Regards,
MYNAME

the_last_straw

18th June 2006, 04:56

I was just proposing posting the addresses as a possibility and I agree it isn't needed now. Nice email. I don't know of the specific laws, but I do know that there are some Federal and California laws that exist. Check the indymedia article, I think there were some links there.

Let's keep the pressure up. Good work.

Red Polak

18th June 2006, 05:13

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2006, 05:16 PM
Quick point,

Don't include your name or any personal info if you are writing/e-mailing them. They will simply add your details to the site. (the same applies to the BNP)
Really? ah shit....oh well, there isn't a lot they can do with only a surname and initial.

Anyways, good work comrades - I've sent them a few emails but heard absolutely nothing back. Bastards.

On the Polish government's efforts:
http://www.ejpress.org/article/news/western_europe/8696
The government says Polish justice cannot close down the site, www.redwatch.info, which is linked to the Polish branch of the international Blood and Honor organisation, because it is hosted by a US server.

and here:
http://slackbastard.anarchobase.com/?p=232

shit. :angry:

I am extremely busy atm (exams) but next week I might try to get in touch with the Polish government department which is dealing with this. If I can get them to tell me exactly where and how the site breaches Polish law then it may hold more influence with Dreamhost.

lithium

18th June 2006, 05:33

Well it's only written in Polish (and thus directed at the Polish people). But as it's hosted outside of Poland there's not much the Polish authorities can do, at least not directly. It'd be like me registering and hosting a .ie website here in Ireland but writing it in, say, German. The German authorities would have no say over what happens with my site.

For now, keep the pressure on, but keep it professional, formal, and respectful. Utilise those faxes, emails and phone calls; keep to the facts and don't fabricate anything to try to further our cause - that will only end up in their favour.

Red Polak

18th June 2006, 05:38

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2006, 03:34 AM
Well it's only written in Polish (and thus directed at the Polish people). But as it's hosted outside of Poland there's not much the Polish authorities can do, at least not directly. It'd be like me registering and hosting a .ie website here in Ireland but writing it in, say, German. The German authorities would have no say over what happens with my site.

For now, keep the pressure on, but keep it professional, formal, and respectful. Utilise those faxes, emails and phone calls; keep to the facts and don't fabricate anything to try to further our cause - that will only end up in their favour.
I know that, however I want the actual laws that the site breaks so that I can email the information to Dreamhost. I think pointing out that might scare them up a bit. Zbigniew Ziobro appears to be the man in government dealing with it, so I will be emailing him politely.

In other news; a number of nazis were arrested for their involvement in the site in Poland after the stabbing of that man.

lithium

18th June 2006, 05:42

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 18 2006, 02:39 AM
I know that, however I want the actual laws that the site breaks so that I can email the information to Dreamhost.
I'd like that info too! (I was the 'guest' above that forgot, yet again to login :rolleyes: )

Good idea in emailing Ziobro. Hopefully you'll get a response very soon.

Again, good work comrades. It's great to see so many of us piling on the pressure (and succeeding!) :D

Qwerty Dvorak

18th June 2006, 15:50

Isn't there somewhere we could actually go to report them? Like some kind of government law enforcement agency that could just shut them down?

the_last_straw

18th June 2006, 19:33

While we could report them to tons of law enforcement agencies it wouldn't help. Investigations can take months or years and while we're waiting for LE to do their jobs people are being killed and stabbed for their political views.

Guest

18th June 2006, 20:50

Exactly. And as well as that, it's hosted in the US, which has a federal government - basically, while one state may have 'hate laws', the next state might not. So as far as going to an authority is concerned, it will only work if the host is in a state whose laws make such sites illegal.

*sends more faxes*

the_last_straw

18th June 2006, 21:06

Actually, there are several federal laws that dreamhost could be prosecuted under. I don't know the specific names. There are several things that need to be pointed out:

1. If a internet service provider (web host) is notified of illegal activities on their server (by LE or not) they are legally obligated to take it down. If they don't they can be subject to federal prosecution and lawsuits for damages the site causes.

2. Redwatch owners could certainly be given "conspiracy to commit x degree murder" charges based on the content of their site and other sites they run.

lithium

18th June 2006, 21:27

Very interesting.. I'll keep note of those.

In other news, uncensored-hosting "stand corrected" in a recent email ever since I pointed out all three traceroutes.

the_last_straw

18th June 2006, 21:41

Good job lithium. I was hoping wildwestdomains would do something but every time I send them an email I get a "email blocked" error because I'm using proxies.

lithium

19th June 2006, 13:21

Got a response from WWD. Direct the emails to SecureServer instead. Their other contact details are:

Email: [email protected]
Phone: (309) 736 8000
Fax: (309) 736 8048
Toll Free: (888) 620 7873

the_last_straw

20th June 2006, 00:01

Well, WWD is the registrar and so they are the ones who are legally responsible for domain content and they are the ones who should enfore their own TOS.

black magick hustla

20th June 2006, 01:47

Originally posted by Number [email protected] 19 2006, 09:59 PM
Listen folks, I look at a lot of political sites & the magazines they promote. From what I can see you guys are not all sweet & innocent. You, or magazines you read often post the names & addresses of political activists of these parties you hate so much. So, you brought this on yourselves.
Regardless of what other leftist magazines do, that shit is illegal.

Besides, we do not care about "being fair"; we are pragmatic. The fascist scum keeps hunting down immigrants and minorities, so someone needs to defy them.

Are you a liberal?

the_last_straw

20th June 2006, 02:01

As you can see, revleft and its members do not publish names. We believe publishing names isn't the right thing to do. We are trying to fight fire with peace, not with fire.

Red Polak

20th June 2006, 16:32

Originally posted by Number [email protected] 20 2006, 11:45 AM
No Im not a liberal. There are magazines such as Searchlight & groups such as UAS, ANL etc, the list is endless. These papers publish the names & addresses of members or parties who to be honest, have been elected fair & square. You talk about the Redwatch Site, look at what it states about Socialist Middle Class writers. This literature is very hard for working classes to understand, some of whom cant read & write anyway. Its them sort of issues that has people turning away from whats called the LIB DEM CON. These parties have failed the electorate, they apply the same rule, law, regulation to a lot of different circumstances. At the end of the day when it comes to Government & Local Council, its the bread & butter issues that everyone will be united on. This charade of name calling & placing names, addresses online will lead to another freedom been taken from us, the internet. Think about it. I hope as well you will try to have these Jihad Websites & Jihad Chatrooms closed down too.

You fascist? Or maybe BNP?

1) you're in the UK (searchlight etc)
2) LIB DEM CON? lol! maybe you are meaning lib lab con?
3) in England people can read and write, even the very lowest classes
4) I agree, lib lab con have failed the people. All that remains is for the left and the right to fight it out. Your BNP literature treats people like morons; you blame the immigrants when the class struggle is the problem.
5) as a communist, I am against all organized religion.

lithium

20th June 2006, 16:36

Originally posted by Number [email protected] 19 2006, 09:59 PM
From what I can see you guys are not all sweet & innocent. You, or magazines you read often post the names & addresses of political activists of these parties you hate so much. So, you brought this on yourselves.
I don't post any personal details, nor do I read any literature that posts such information.

The Redwatch site is dangerous: it wouldn't matter if was is run by fascists or anarchists, the fact is people's lives are in danger because of it and it should be removed.

I can see this thread moving very much off-topic... Can we try to keep it on the original anti-Redwatch topic?

Guest_Someone

20th June 2006, 21:49

Originally posted by lithium+Jun 20 2006, 01:37 PM--> (lithium @ Jun 20 2006, 01:37 PM)
Number [email protected] 19 2006, 09:59 PM
From what I can see you guys are not all sweet & innocent. You, or magazines you read often post the names & addresses of political activists of these parties you hate so much. So, you brought this on yourselves.
I don't post any personal details, nor do I read any literature that posts such information.

The Redwatch site is dangerous: it wouldn't matter if was is run by fascists or anarchists, the fact is people's lives are in danger because of it and it should be removed.

I can see this thread moving very much off-topic... Can we try to keep it on the original anti-Redwatch topic? [/b]
Look:

As soon as anyone from the BNP / NF etc is democratically electected, by the vote of the people, the left wing press go apeshit and print names/addresses/phone numbers of those people who have been elected.

A while back, some rang printed the personal address of someone who did voluntary work for the NF, leading to broken windows - presumably the data was collated in breach of the Data Protection Act.

If you read the terms and conditions at the entrance to any english Redwatch site (which you explicitly agree to when you enter), it states that information contained has been collated using public sources (usually Google).

As the site is in the US, it operates under the First Amendment, free speech, something I think you lot don't like.

IMHO, Dreamhost have taken the correct stance against the actions of a few subversives.

Number 9

21st June 2006, 00:35

Red Polak

No Im not a Fascist, or BNP. Its strange that you should, by your post, separate the BNP from been fascist! Thats interesting! LOL

You say your a communist, but yet acknowledge LOWER CLASSES, you have some explaining to do to your comrades! I thought you were all classless, or maybe because your a confused university student.

People post on Redwatch because people post stuff in Socialist sites & Magazines. You have talked your way into a corner on your last post. Maybe you should fuck off back to your Ivory Tower, cause lets face it kid, when, & you will, get tired of slumming it with working classes, thats what you'll do!

SO FUCK AWAY OFF BACK TO MUMMY & DADDY!

ZeroPain

21st June 2006, 00:52

I thought you were all classless, or maybe because your a confused university student.

Thats the goal of communism dipshit not the status of communists.

If you want to come here please respect people and the forum rules, if not get the fuck out and never come back.

the_last_straw

21st June 2006, 01:08

Let's not argue about technicalities. If you want to take down redwatch, post in this thread. Don't feed the trolls!

Duckmonster

21st June 2006, 18:55

G'day. Don Oorst from "FightDemBack", an antifacist group in australia.

I see folks are talking about "legal action" type stuff.

If any of you are in the UK, I'd advise you read this;-

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/vic/VSC/2001/305.html

Gutnick vs Dow Jones.

Its an Australian case, but boys and girls, we are talking case law here.

That means the heuristics of the case apply in the UK too, regarding jurastiction.

It means you can sue a US company in the UK (and there are relevant treaties meaning the judge just orders them to pay and buzz buzz the money flows thru the wire to the UK. One bankerupt american, and no, the First ammendment doesnt apply in the UK).

Get a legal attack dog, or a suitably clever law student to write up a threat with teeth, present it to em with the note "Read it and weep".

Problem solved.

Duckmonster.
http://fightdemback.com

duckmonster

21st June 2006, 18:57

Oh hey, just noticed lots of aussies here. Thats even better for caselaw.

polak

22nd June 2006, 00:31

Check this out!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5102836.stm

big up to the British government for once.

:hammer:

and "Number 9" fuck off, you don't know shit. I'm not even at university.

Guest

22nd June 2006, 07:57

I am sure in a few months another similar site will be put up even if redwatch is taken down. As Searchlight and co started indentifying peoples addresses anyway I for one am glad some of their members have got some payback.

Guest

22nd June 2006, 07:57

Guest

22nd June 2006, 07:57

Rollo

22nd June 2006, 08:29

Solution - Remove your mailbox.
Genious.

Rollo

22nd June 2006, 08:29

Solution - Remove your mailbox.
Genious.

Rollo

22nd June 2006, 08:29

Solution - Remove your mailbox.
Genious.