Stalin

[Stalin]

Hey guys i just want to know all of Your views on stalin and his time as the leader of the USSR. I personally view him as a good leader in some areas and a bad leader in others, as you can tell my views on him are mixed.... so just tell me your views and why if thats ok or if you have the time thanks in advance.

[Enragé]

he sucked, cuz he killed good people and murdered the revolution

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

His errors are too many to count.

There is a sticky and loads of other threads about stalin in the history forum.

Its pretty much impossible to defend him though, more importantly, why would any self respecting communist want to?

[OneBrickOneVoice]

I personally have no problem with him except for the fact that he; killed millions, Sent people who spoke their minds to salt mines in siberia, starved his people, rigged elections, and tainted communism till this day. otherwise he was splendid, just splendid <_<

[Ander]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2006, 10:49 PM
I personally have no problem with him except for the fact that he; killed millions, Sent people who spoke their minds to salt mines in siberia, starved his people, rigged elections, and tainted communism till this day. otherwise he was splendid, just splendid <_<
Yeah...but he had a rockin&#39; moustache.

[Comrade_Scott]

Stalin did evil, lots of it but he also helped shape the ussr, im not excusing all the evil he did (murders, forced labour) but he also did some good

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

Classes shape societies not individuals Comrade_scott, at least from a marxist point of view.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2006, 03:52 AM



Yeah...but he had a rockin&#39; moustache.

That&#39;s true.

[Red Polak]

^ his one merit.

Otherwise, just a murdering fuck who has done a huge amount of damage to the name of Communism.

[LSD]

Who is this "Stalin" you speak of? :unsure:

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

http://www.comics.aha.ru/rus/stalin/1.html

Comic book character apparently&#33;

[CCCPneubauten]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 11 2006, 11:57 AM
^ his one merit.

Otherwise, just a murdering fuck who has done a huge amount of damage to the name of Communism.
Naw, he did have another, beating Hitler. Which that is up for debate also.

[Aurora]

He killed more communists than Hitler I think that speaks for itself.

[Janus]

Naw, he did have another, beating Hitler.
Well, it&#39;s not like Stalin knocked Hitler out personally and WWII was over. The Soviets won because of the effort of the people themselves, Stalin probably hindered that in some ways and helped it in others. But those who simply say that Stalin won the war are ignoring the efforts of countless Soviets.

[Marx_was_right&#33;]

Well, it&#39;s not like Stalin knocked Hitler out personally and WWII was over. The Soviets won because of the effort of the people themselves, Stalin probably hindered that in some ways and helped it in others. But those who simply say that Stalin won the war are ignoring the efforts of countless Soviets.


This is definitely a tough one. On the one hand, without Stalin, we would have a NAZIfied Europe as I don&#39;t think any other comrades would have industrialised as quickly. On the other hand, Stalin killed the children of the revolution to cement his own greedy lust for power. As a result, the gains of the revolution fell into decay and the USSR eventually collapsed as its leading figures were destroyed. Overall though, it is safe to say, &#39;yes&#39; he was a bastard. :angry:

[Comrade_Scott]

Stalin was charismatic but paranoid....if not for his paranoia maybe we would be talking of him in a different light but unfortunately his wish to cling to power was such that he killed the children of the revolution so now we can only (or are forced to) see him in a bad light

[Redmau5]

This is definitely a tough one. On the one hand, without Stalin, we would have a NAZIfied Europe as I don&#39;t think any other comrades would have industrialised as quickly.

No, without the Russian people we would have a Nazified Europe. And besides, other people within the Party, most notably Trotsky, had been pushing for industrialisation long before Stalin. Stalin initially rejected rapid industrialisation, before completely changing his outlook and industrialising at break-neck speed, at the cost of millions of workers&#39; and peasants&#39; lives.

[TC]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2006, 03:15 AM
He killed more communists than Hitler I think that speaks for itself.
Uh, no he didn&#39;t.

The Nazis killed nearly 30 million Soviets and additionally tens or hundreds of thousands of Communists of other nationalities.

Executions by the Soviet Union from 1921 to 1953 totaled just under 800,000 including collaborators, war criminals, and SS prisoners. Still a very large amount of people, but not even close. Additionally it would be absurd to say that Stalin was responsible for all 800,000 executions carried out during that time, since he had no direct role in the judiciary and his power was a matter of indirect political influence rather than direct legal authority as Hitler&#39;s was...and since the exicution of Communists, the invasion of the Soviet Union and holocaust in the Soviet Union, were directly under Hitlers orders, surely Hitler can be held responsible for that.


Stalin was no saint and not some kindof perfect socialist leader like the anti-revisionists and maoists would like to think sometimes, but he was nothing like Hitler, in fact, it would be an injustice to suggest he was even as his British or American allies. The only people who would compare Stalin to Hitler are reactionary anti-Communists aiming at historical revisionism to draw some parity between Fascism and Communism.

[Body Count]

Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do......

[elmo sez]

Stalin was no communist by anymeans, but youve gotta hand it to him, turning a backward peasent society into a world power in less than 30 year. Granted it cost millions of lives, but thats where you gotta hand it to him again , he killed millions of his own people directly and indirectly yet he still got a parade when he died .

But at the end of the day he was a bastard and has set the revolution back 100s of years.