Short clip of A Clockwork Orange

[Year: 1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAnbVpU6Mg8...ckwork%20orange (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAnbVpU6Mg8&search=clockwork%20orange)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI74sO2dJYg...ckwork%20orange (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI74sO2dJYg&search=clockwork%20orange)

[Comrade Marcel]

Why not just download the whole movie on a torrent? Or better yet, read the book because it's much better.

[Mariam]

read the book because it's much better

Agree..reading the book is much better.

[emma_goldman]

Only a malenky bit of the old ultra violence, huh? ;)

Great book AND movie. Except the movie didn&#39;t have the last chapter. <_<

[CCCPneubauten]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 10:33 PM
Only a malenky bit of the old ultra violence, huh? ;)

Great book AND movie. Except the movie didn&#39;t have the last chapter. <_<
SO what? The last chapter made Alex all...reformed....it was much darker with out chapter 21

[emma_goldman]

True&#33; But without it it didn&#39;t seem like it ended.

[bezdomni]

The last chapter is imperative.

Without it, the book is nearly fucking pointless.

[CCCPneubauten]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 11:57 PM
True&#33; But without it it didn&#39;t seem like it ended.
I kinda like it when books don&#39;t &#39;end&#39; in the tradition sense, leaves a lot up to me, or any reader.

[ahab]

i&#39;ve never even heard of it wtf is it about?

[Year: 1]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2006, 03:52 PM
i&#39;ve never even heard of it wtf is it about?
It is a story that takes place in the future. Well, this 15 year-old gang member who speaks in a new type of slang commits terrible anti-social acts---wanton beatings, theft, rape etc. Then the state gets a-hold of him and tries to change his behavior.
Won&#39;t give anymore in order not to spoil it for you. So yeah these kids talk in slang and you can decipher the slang here (Don&#39;t let the slang intimidate you. It&#39;s an easy read. I read it under a week):

http://www.imps4ever.info/specials/centaur/durango2a.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadsat_lexicon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clockwork_Orange

[ahab]

Originally posted by Year: 1+Jun 19 2006, 05:09 PM--> (Year: 1 @ Jun 19 2006, 05:09 PM)
[email protected] 19 2006, 03:52 PM
i&#39;ve never even heard of it wtf is it about?
It is a story that takes place in the future. Well, this 15 year-old gang member who speaks in a new type of slang commits terrible anti-social acts---wanton beatings, theft, rape etc. Then the state gets a-hold of him and tries to change his behavior.
Won&#39;t give anymore in order not to spoil it for you. So yeah these kids talk in slang and you can decipher the slang here (Don&#39;t let the slang intimidate you. It&#39;s an easy read. I read it under a week):

http://www.imps4ever.info/specials/centaur/durango2a.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadsat_lexicon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clockwork_Orange [/b]
sweet sounds cool

[bezdomni]

The slang is mostly derived from Russian.

If you know any Russian it makes the book a hundred times easier.

[emma_goldman]

True but you can figure it out despite from context clues. ;)

[bezdomni]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2006, 01:54 AM
True but you can figure it out despite from context clues. ;)
Yeah.

But knowing Russian makes it easier. :P

[socialistpunk]

A clockwork orange is such a exellent film. The line i like best is "let&#39;s have a bit of the old ultraviolence. That line is just cool.

[Comrade Marcel]

Originally posted by CCCPneubauten+Jun 15 2006, 11:52 PM--> (CCCPneubauten @ Jun 15 2006, 11:52 PM)
emm[email protected] 15 2006, 10:33 PM
Only a malenky bit of the old ultra violence, huh? ;)

Great book AND movie. Except the movie didn&#39;t have the last chapter. <_<
SO what? The last chapter made Alex all...reformed....it was much darker with out chapter 21 [/b]
Bah, what&#39;s so special about a "dark" ending? If I want hopelessnes I would read Orwell. Those types of endings are for cynics not socialists....

See, unlike Orwell Burgess actually believed humans could be good. He was a social-democratic type and a Catholic. He didn&#39;t want the movie made because he didn&#39;t want to have pornographic images.

That said, the last chapter shows that there is an inbetween. The whole argument is Alex&#39;s ability to chose, and only then can one really be good. It&#39;s like Christians who try to scare people to believe in god by saying you will go to hell. Well, you only believe because you don&#39;t want your soul to burn in hell. People don&#39;t rape or murder in some cases because they fear the consequences, not because they find it morally reprehensable or that they don&#39;t want to hurt others. It&#39;s a very moral book, but also makes you think about why laws and consequences are in place in society. It begs the question: how far do we go to change, cure or reform individuals and can it ever TRULY be done?

[CCCPneubauten]

So what&#39;s it going to be, eh?

How far DO we go to &#39;change&#39; people.

Plus, I&#39;ve read the book a few times now but I still can&#39;t figure out what kind of government it is. Socialist? Social-Democratic? What?