Need 'religious' advice.

[More Fire for the People]

All right, I'm in an awkard situation. I'm an ardhent materialist, I realize that the Judeo-Christian God was a blood thirty racist and sexist, I oppose religion wholeheartedly, and my closest friends know me as an atheist. The problem: I still go to church.

Reasons why I go:
(1) I'm afraid how my mom would react if I refused to church but she knows I'm an atheist. An example of her irrationality: I had a picture of delegate zero on my computer screen and she say's "just another fascist communist" [she thinks the US-Britian-Italy allies fought the German-Soviet axis in WWII]. I said "Fuck you, and fuck your fascism."
And she says "I'm going to have to start making you mind better, you'er getting too rambunctious".
(2) I go to church for my grandma. She's seventy-one and when my cousin left Christianity she took it really hard. I'm afraid what would happen to her emotional health if I quit church.

Advie anybody? :(

[Hit The North]

To be human is divine. If going to church helps you to honour your Gran, then go. No one can make you believe their stupid theories.

Although I think you should be worried that God may strike you down. A materialist in Church? Ye Gods!!!

As regards your mother. I think you should patiently explain to her that Jesus loved Communists and even advocated it. That'll really cave her head in.

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

Well i dont know how old you are, but if you must go try to convert the younger members away from it.

Be cynical openly infront of them. Young people are influenced easily. And they might not get to hear another side til they go to higher education.

So, make the best of it if you must go.

I wouldnt ever tell my grandad im an atheist. He is 92! i wouldnt want to upset the poor guy.

[violencia.Proletariat]

Unless your gonna get kicked out tell your mom to piss off. As for your grandma, I don't see why you should be forced through bullshit to please her. Just spend more time with her, if that doesn't make her happy then she values god sucking more than she values you.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2006, 03:26 AM
Unless your gonna get kicked out tell your mom to piss off. As for your grandma, I don't see why you should be forced through bullshit to please her. Just spend more time with her, if that doesn't make her happy then she values god sucking more than she values you.
She probably does value "godsucking" more then she values you, shes gonna die soon.......and meet him.

be nice to your momma, she is either

A- proliterian working class who would be down with communism if she really knew waht it was

or

B- A tight ass middle class *****, who is going to bring you down because she has no use for the revolution.

Now either way you got to be nice to your momma, she made you, she made sure you came out allright and your mother got good intentions for her baby even if she is going about things wrong, so be gentle to your momma. Dont get mean at her when you talk about communism. But if she is "B" on the list I outlined to you, you can do one or two things

A- Dont waste your time telling her about communism, just establish yourself to her.

" I do indeed believe in THIS because...... (and make sure you got a good reason and say it GOOD)" And from then on make her proud. Be the best son you can be and still shamlessly be a communist. Help your momma, show her love, be there for grandma, because you are your beliefs.

Make your mother proud and endearing of her communist son.

[violencia.Proletariat]

She probably does value "godsucking" more then she values you, shes gonna die soon.......and meet him.

Obviously Hopscotch doesn't believe that as he as an atheist.

Oh and Raisa what if she kicked him out of the house for being a communist? Should he kiss her ass then? :rolleyes:

[Johnny Anarcho]

Go for your Grandmother. If you want your Mom to take you seriously then show her respect, explain to her where she's wrong on her history, and explain to her why you believe the way you do. If all you do is swear at her it makes you look immature and she will pay no mind to you as a mature young man/woman. You dont have to believe in God but dont ruin it for those who do, faith is a very powerful thing and unless people are willing to hear your views you shouldnt give them. I know this might sound like I'm trying to be repressive but one should always think before they speak if what their going to say will be progressive or not; by progressive I mean will it have good or bad effects on your environment/surroundings.

[More Fire for the People]

Thanks for the advice Raisa. You’re right, mums are special. Especially this one, since she’s handicapped and a single parent.


If you want your Mom to take you seriously then show her respect, explain to her where she's wrong on her history, and explain to her why you believe the way you do.
She’s a huge subjectivist — i.e. you know nothing from the objective world, only what experience tells you. So when she was a little kid she knew an Italian boy whose parents were Italian partisans and fought against the Axis. Therefore, the whole of Italy was against the axis.

[Xvall]

Just don't go. If they take it hard I'd say it's a problem that they ought to work out - not yours.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2006, 03:43 PM

She probably does value "godsucking" more then she values you, shes gonna die soon.......and meet him.

Obviously Hopscotch doesn't believe that as he as an atheist.

Oh and Raisa what if she kicked him out of the house for being a communist? Should he kiss her ass then? :rolleyes:
You little arguementative shit......

I wasnt doubting that hahaha.
damn. Im just saying from her perspective, she doesnt care. Shes OLD.

And I doubt shes gonna kick him out his house.

But if thats the case then just state your point and leave it alone.

A mother who says "im gonna have to teach you to mind better" isnt intending to kick you out your house, shes probably intending on messing with your shit and making it difficult to live in there though,

[Noah]

I'd say for the sake of your granma go to church and respect your mum.

Make sure you don't shout at your mum and go 'FUCK YOU FASCIST *****!!!' .. although it may be tempting at times (maybe) just show that you know what you're talking about by using good reasons for being the way you are.

Also, you're going to church, so when the little kids see you in church, just say little things that will make them question God.

[Orange Juche]

Originally posted by Hopscotch [email protected] 8 2006, 03:56 PM
I go to church for my grandma. She's seventy-one and when my cousin left Christianity she took it really hard. I'm afraid what would happen to her emotional health if I quit church.
This is the only reason I'd say keep going. If it makes your grandma happy, it just seems like the nice/right thing to do.

Maybe you should find a way to make up for your "sin" of participating in religion (hehe). Work more avidly towards spreading marterialist concepts and have people look at the reality behind the bullshit that is religion.

[Pawn Power]

I would stop going just because it is such a waste of time. I don't want to discard even a few hours each sunday learning shity mythology.
I guess it is understadable where you are comming from though.

[Xvall]

I'd say for the sake of your granma go to church and respect your mum.

Why should they do anything they don't want to for the sake of their grandmother? Why doesn't it work the other way around? She should convert to atheism for their sake. It this about "respect" and "caring"? Is blatantly lying to your grandmother "respectful" or "caring"?

[The Resistor]

[COLOR=green]Here's advice to all religious people [COLOR=red]THINK FOR YOURSELVES

[COLOR=blue]Thank you

[guerillablack]

Wow, you curse at your moms?
Maybe you should when you goto church takein some of the moral lessons...like respect your parents. You dont have to accept their views or like all their decisions, but still respect them as your parents.

WOW.

[Noah]

Why should they do anything they don't want to for the sake of their grandmother?

Obviously they love their grandmother, perhaps they don't want to cause any heartache within the last years of her life, who cares? it's just church, twenty minutes, just use it wisely and persuade little children God doesn't exist.


Why doesn't it work the other way around? She should convert to atheism for their sake.

We could talk about this all day. 'He should do it, no she should do it'.

Why complain? Just use the opportunities available, make the little kids question God's existance AND keep the OAP happy.

Instead of going 'I'M NOT GOING TO CHURCH! FUCK OFF!'...Go to church use the opportunities to spread shit between youngsters, until they run out and you get caught and your relatives realise that there's no point in taking you to church no more or even better the granma would just pass away with no knowledge of it happening.

The granma is set in her ways, she is old and perhaps traditional, so you may aswell treat her as she is..narrowminded..It's be pointless to try to convert
her to athiesm..

[More Fire for the People]

You've all obvious never been to a church. The rules go sit down, shut up, and we'll pretend to receive input from you.

[Xvall]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2006, 08:54 PM
Wow, you curse at your moms?

Why not? She does the same to me.



Maybe you should when you goto church takein some of the moral lessons...like respect your parents. You dont have to accept their views or like all their decisions, but still respect them as your parents.

Maybe you're a moralistic maniac. Maybe parent's aren't entitled to any respect, considering that your birth was their choice and not yours. Not only do we have to be thrown into existence against our will, but we need to give our parents a pat on the back and thank them for it? Because they couldn't keep their legs closed or thought it would look good to have children?


WOW.

WOWZORS.

---


Why complain?

I don't think they should - I jsut think they should avoid the church entirely. If they really want to make granny happy, though, go for it.

[Johnny Anarcho]

Originally posted by Xvall+Jun 11 2006, 12:26 AM--> (Xvall @ Jun 11 2006, 12:26 AM)
[email protected] 10 2006, 08:54 PM
Wow, you curse at your moms?

Why not? She does the same to me.



Maybe you should when you goto church takein some of the moral lessons...like respect your parents. You dont have to accept their views or like all their decisions, but still respect them as your parents.

Maybe you're a moralistic maniac. Maybe parent's aren't entitled to any respect, considering that your birth was their choice and not yours. Not only do we have to be thrown into existence against our will, but we need to give our parents a pat on the back and thank them for it? Because they couldn't keep their legs closed or thought it would look good to have children?


WOW.

WOWZORS.

---


Why complain?

I don't think they should - I jsut think they should avoid the church entirely. If they really want to make granny happy, though, go for it. [/b]
Your crazy :D

[Xvall]

Your MOM!

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2006, 09:54 PM
Wow, you curse at your moms?
Maybe you should when you goto church takein some of the moral lessons...like respect your parents. You dont have to accept their views or like all their decisions, but still respect them as your parents.

WOW.
What the fuck? Why respect your mom if she's a *****? I know mine is. In fact they both are. And I didn't fucking choose them, so they're little more than just some people to me. So I can yell at them if I want to.

[The Resistor]

Originally posted by s3rna+Jun 11 2006, 07:56 AM--> (s3rna @ Jun 11 2006, 07:56 AM)
[email protected] 10 2006, 09:54 PM
Wow, you curse at your moms?
Maybe you should when you goto church takein some of the moral lessons...like respect your parents. You dont have to accept their views or like all their decisions, but still respect them as your parents.

WOW.
What the fuck? Why respect your mom if she's a *****? I know mine is. In fact they both are. And I didn't fucking choose them, so they're little more than just some people to me. So I can yell at them if I want to. [/b]
What your mom,,,,,, no reason is good enough for that ..unless she doesn't care about you

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

"It's your mom" is not exactly a valid reason :rolleyes:

[RevMARKSman]

Respect is EARNED, not given. Your parents did not MEAN to have YOU personally. They just wanted a CHILD. They would have been just as happy if different genes combined.

Conclusion: If your parents are completely reactionary/deranged/etc, they deserve no respect. Love for your parents is natural. But you don't have to be submissive.

[Johnny Anarcho]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2006, 06:35 AM
Your MOM!
Your mom's mom's butch lover, twice removed and constantly denied :lol:

[The Resistor]

Euh...i dont know about u but my parents love they have put so much time and given so much up for me, they had bad times but still they gave me nothing put love, and they&#39;re communists.....are they suddenly not b*tches anymore, its stupid to let things like politics and religions stand between you and your parents, not a sign of equilty.. is it not? respecting other people is a must....u see them as people how dont deserve your love, not a sign of equilty and freedom...salon socialist <_<

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

Originally posted by The [email protected] 11 2006, 11:53 AM
Euh...i dont know about u but my parents love they have put so much time and given so much up for me, they had bad times but still they gave me nothing put love
Which is a valid reason why they deserve your respect, rather than just "because they&#39;re my parents". See, you have completely missed the point here; You can call your parents *****es if they are *****es, they do not earn your respect simply for being your parents.


, and they&#39;re communists.....are they suddenly not b*tches anymore, its stupid to let things like politics and religions stand between you and your parents,
Well if my parents would be reactionary fucks I sure as hell would let that stand between us.


not a sign of equilty.. is it not?
This is perhaps the most stupid thing I&#39;ve ever heard from a leftist... go educate yourself now, because statements like those are only ridiculing you.


respecting other people is a must....
If they respect you and they mean you no harm, certainly.


u see them as people how dont deserve your love, not a sign of equilty and freedom...
:lol: :lol: :lol:
They don&#39;t deserve my love for various reasons, such as wanting to live my life for me, but that is in fact none of your business. "Not a sign of equality and freedom"? What the fuck??&#33; :lol:


salon socialist <_<
Some nerve you have to call me a salon socialist, moron.

[The Resistor]

call names all you want, but i was apparantly thinking that this forum was about religion, i must ahve been wrong, and discrminating by religion is also bad...I am also sorry for your bad relationship with your parents, and why nerve.....what do you understand by socialist then? Apparntly not what i think: justice for all people, peace. no more hate, equilty and freedom of the mind>thats true freedom< and lost more

[The Resistor]

ps was i mentioning you?

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by Hopscotch [email protected] 8 2006, 02:56 PM
All right, I&#39;m in an awkard situation. I&#39;m an ardhent materialist, I realize that the Judeo-Christian God was a blood thirty racist and sexist, I oppose religion wholeheartedly, and my closest friends know me as an atheist. The problem: I still go to church.

Reasons why I go:
(1) I&#39;m afraid how my mom would react if I refused to church but she knows I&#39;m an atheist. An example of her irrationality: I had a picture of delegate zero on my computer screen and she say&#39;s "just another fascist communist" [she thinks the US-Britian-Italy allies fought the German-Soviet axis in WWII]. I said "Fuck you, and fuck your fascism."
And she says "I&#39;m going to have to start making you mind better, you&#39;er getting too rambunctious".
(2) I go to church for my grandma. She&#39;s seventy-one and when my cousin left Christianity she took it really hard. I&#39;m afraid what would happen to her emotional health if I quit church.

Advie anybody? :(
Quit going&#33;

The young are not under some sort of "obligation" to "look after" the emotional well-being of their elderly relations.

You know what the "right thing" to do is...and you should just do it&#33;

In addition to which, the fact that you stop going might inspire a good debate with your elderly relations. Old people need the challenge of new ways to think about things.

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[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

omfg it&#39;s like talking to a wall :unsure:

[RedAnarchist]

I would say the same as Redstar. I think the whole thing with your grandma may be emotional blackmail or something.

[Johnny Anarcho]

Originally posted by redstar2000+Jun 11 2006, 12:59 PM--> (redstar2000 @ Jun 11 2006, 12:59 PM)
Hopscotch [email protected] 8 2006, 02:56 PM
All right, I&#39;m in an awkard situation. I&#39;m an ardhent materialist, I realize that the Judeo-Christian God was a blood thirty racist and sexist, I oppose religion wholeheartedly, and my closest friends know me as an atheist. The problem: I still go to church.

Reasons why I go:
(1) I&#39;m afraid how my mom would react if I refused to church but she knows I&#39;m an atheist. An example of her irrationality: I had a picture of delegate zero on my computer screen and she say&#39;s "just another fascist communist" [she thinks the US-Britian-Italy allies fought the German-Soviet axis in WWII]. I said "Fuck you, and fuck your fascism."
And she says "I&#39;m going to have to start making you mind better, you&#39;er getting too rambunctious".
(2) I go to church for my grandma. She&#39;s seventy-one and when my cousin left Christianity she took it really hard. I&#39;m afraid what would happen to her emotional health if I quit church.

Advie anybody? :(
Quit going&#33;

The young are not under some sort of "obligation" to "look after" the emotional well-being of their elderly relations.

You know what the "right thing" to do is...and you should just do it&#33;

In addition to which, the fact that you stop going might inspire a good debate with your elderly relations. Old people need the challenge of new ways to think about things.

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cool/223.gif [/b]
Its not obligation its love and if his grams were to die from emotional shock due to the fact that he quit going to church he&#39;d have to live with that guilt.

[RevMARKSman]

Originally posted by Johnny Anarcho+Jun 12 2006, 10:25 PM--> (Johnny Anarcho @ Jun 12 2006, 10:25 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2006, 12:59 PM

Hopscotch [email protected] 8 2006, 02:56 PM
All right, I&#39;m in an awkard situation. I&#39;m an ardhent materialist, I realize that the Judeo-Christian God was a blood thirty racist and sexist, I oppose religion wholeheartedly, and my closest friends know me as an atheist. The problem: I still go to church.

Reasons why I go:
(1) I&#39;m afraid how my mom would react if I refused to church but she knows I&#39;m an atheist. An example of her irrationality: I had a picture of delegate zero on my computer screen and she say&#39;s "just another fascist communist" [she thinks the US-Britian-Italy allies fought the German-Soviet axis in WWII]. I said "Fuck you, and fuck your fascism."
And she says "I&#39;m going to have to start making you mind better, you&#39;er getting too rambunctious".
(2) I go to church for my grandma. She&#39;s seventy-one and when my cousin left Christianity she took it really hard. I&#39;m afraid what would happen to her emotional health if I quit church.

Advie anybody? :(
Quit going&#33;

The young are not under some sort of "obligation" to "look after" the emotional well-being of their elderly relations.

You know what the "right thing" to do is...and you should just do it&#33;

In addition to which, the fact that you stop going might inspire a good debate with your elderly relations. Old people need the challenge of new ways to think about things.

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cool/223.gif
Its not obligation its love and if his grams were to die from emotional shock due to the fact that he quit going to church he&#39;d have to live with that guilt. [/b]
Shock that he accepted the truth no matter how bitter it seemed at first. Shock that he broke loose from his chains. I personally wouldn&#39;t care. Just because she&#39;s a family member doesn&#39;t automatically grant her better treatment.

[Johnny Anarcho]

Originally posted by MonicaTTmed+Jun 13 2006, 10:44 AM--> (MonicaTTmed @ Jun 13 2006, 10:44 AM)
Originally posted by Johnny [email protected] 12 2006, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2006, 12:59 PM

Hopscotch [email protected] 8 2006, 02:56 PM
All right, I&#39;m in an awkard situation. I&#39;m an ardhent materialist, I realize that the Judeo-Christian God was a blood thirty racist and sexist, I oppose religion wholeheartedly, and my closest friends know me as an atheist. The problem: I still go to church.

Reasons why I go:
(1) I&#39;m afraid how my mom would react if I refused to church but she knows I&#39;m an atheist. An example of her irrationality: I had a picture of delegate zero on my computer screen and she say&#39;s "just another fascist communist" [she thinks the US-Britian-Italy allies fought the German-Soviet axis in WWII]. I said "Fuck you, and fuck your fascism."
And she says "I&#39;m going to have to start making you mind better, you&#39;er getting too rambunctious".
(2) I go to church for my grandma. She&#39;s seventy-one and when my cousin left Christianity she took it really hard. I&#39;m afraid what would happen to her emotional health if I quit church.

Advie anybody? :(
Quit going&#33;

The young are not under some sort of "obligation" to "look after" the emotional well-being of their elderly relations.

You know what the "right thing" to do is...and you should just do it&#33;

In addition to which, the fact that you stop going might inspire a good debate with your elderly relations. Old people need the challenge of new ways to think about things.

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cool/223.gif
Its not obligation its love and if his grams were to die from emotional shock due to the fact that he quit going to church he&#39;d have to live with that guilt.
Shock that he accepted the truth no matter how bitter it seemed at first. Shock that he broke loose from his chains. I personally wouldn&#39;t care. Just because she&#39;s a family member doesn&#39;t automatically grant her better treatment. [/b]
So you support killing the elderly.

[RevMARKSman]

If they can&#39;t survive the truth, that&#39;s their own problem.

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

I wouldn&#39;t go to church if you don&#39;t want to do so. Your grandmother&#39;s reaction would be her own weakness - not yours. Unless your subconciously afraid of what will happen to you if you quit going (your grandmother or mother resenting you, et cetera), I don&#39;t see why you are thinking about continuing with church.