If one votes in America in November...

[MurderInc]

If one admits to voting in a U.S. election, does that mean they are not revolutionary socialists?

[RedAnarchist]

I wouldn't say they weren't revolutionary socialists, but I would say that they were helping to perpetuate the capitalist cancer and should avoid voting at all.

[bezdomni]

Nah.

I will probably write in my own name or "none of the above". If somebody admits to voting democrat or republican, then they are most likely OI.

[Hegemonicretribution]

There are various positions on this, I am going to move this to learning for now, if it was purely a technical question then the answer is no.

[Severian]

Some idiots might say so. But if that's true, then everyone who's ever led a revolution was a "reformist."

The Bolsheviks, for example, ran candidates even under the tsar.

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2006, 05:47 AM
Some idiots might say so. But if that's true, then everyone who's ever led a revolution was a "reformist."

The Bolsheviks, for example, ran candidates even under the tsar.
Speaking of "idiots", the leader of the Bolshevik delegation to the Czar's fake parliament was a cop!

Let us mindlessly "follow in Lenin's footsteps". :lol:

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[cbm989]

Whats wrong with voting Green? I actually like alot of their policies and think they are a step in the right direction.

[bezdomni]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2006, 03:02 PM
Whats wrong with voting Green? I actually like alot of their policies and think they are a step in the right direction.
They aren't a revolutionary organization.

[More Fire for the People]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 04:11 PM
I wouldn't say they weren't revolutionary socialists, but I would say that they were helping to perpetuate the capitalist cancer and should avoid voting at all.
I would rather have cutaneous melanoma than lymphoma.

[Felicia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 07:09 PM
If one admits to voting in a U.S. election, does that mean they are not revolutionary socialists?
what are you saying? if someone votes independant or green, they should be restricted? Pfft, no :P

[drain.you]

Hmmm...well its not really revolutionary to vote but surely it would be better for an American to vote democrat just for the sake of it. I mean, its better to have a Clinton than a Bush, I'm sure Kerry would have been better than the current Bush. Would a democrat want to make gay marriage illegal? Would a democrat be coming down so heavy on immigration?

I think its fine for a commie to vote but would be pretty stupid to vote republican. i suppose a vote for any party that isn't right is a good vote for its taking votes away from the right.

The make-up of congress but more ultimately who is president can change foreign policy and which aspects of society is discriminated against.

Then again, a radical right party coming into control would aid our cause as there would be a massive swing to the left but it wouldnt be worth it.

[Enragé]

it is not better to have someone like clinton than bush, the only difference between the two is that clinton is smart enough to bomb schools without anyone finding out, smart enough to actually win wars, smart enough to come accross as someone with at least and IQ of 90 (whereas bush fails to reach the double digits)

[Janus]

They aren't revolutionary and are basically going against the principles of radical leftism when voting in a capitalist system.

Of course, since this is the Internet, it would be difficult to find out unless someone admitted it openly.

[Orange Juche]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2006, 03:47 PM
Hmmm...well its not really revolutionary to vote but surely it would be better for an American to vote democrat just for the sake of it. I mean, its better to have a Clinton than a Bush, I'm sure Kerry would have been better than the current Bush.
No offense, but thats a real sellout kind of fucking attitude.

[ComradeOm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2006, 01:48 PM
Speaking of "idiots", the leader of the Bolshevik delegation to the Czar's fake parliament was a cop!
Isn't posting with the purpose of deliberately derailing a thread considered trolling?

On the actual topic, while I'm all for restricting reformists to OI I can understand why some would vote for the "lesser evil". I don't agree with that but wouldn't look too harshly on it.

[drain.you]

No offense, but thats a real sellout kind of fucking attitude.
Because not voting is cool.

[violencia.Proletariat]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2006, 11:02 AM
Whats wrong with voting Green? I actually like alot of their policies and think they are a step in the right direction.
By going through the effort to get a green party candidate to get any significant power in the US government we could have a social revolution 10000 times over. Why waste resources to take part in a system that exploits? Just concentrate on overthrowing it, thats the goal.

[Everyday Anarchy]

Not to mention... if you work hard and actually succeed in getting a liberal reformist into office, then the working class will become even more comfortable with capitalism and we'd have to start all over again at building class consciousness.

[atlas]

By going through the effort to get a green party candidate to get any significant power in the US government we could have a social revolution 10000 times over. Why waste resources to take part in a system that exploits? Just concentrate on overthrowing it, thats the goal.

Society isn't even going to be ready for a radical revolution for a while...so in the meantime voting green isn't a bad idea...but then again if we have more republicans in office it would make the revolution that much sooner :)

[Enragé]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2006, 08:52 PM

No offense, but thats a real sellout kind of fucking attitude.
Because not voting is cool.
no, because you were proposing voting for one asshole to replace the other, you were opting for the illusion that things change when power shifts hands from republican to democrat.

[apathy maybe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2006, 12:24 PM
Not to mention... if you work hard and actually succeed in getting a liberal reformist into office, then the working class will become even more comfortable with capitalism and we'd have to start all over again at building class consciousness.
Maybe we should all vote for the worse people that are standing and bring about a really bad situation! That would increase class consciousness wouldn't it?


I do not think that people who vote in elections should be restricted. I know people who claim to be revolutionary but still support their candidate at elections. Their logic is strange, but they have logic to their acts. (They are Marxists however.)

I personally do not vote in governmental elections and do not recommend others doing so. It does not do any good (Libor, Laberal all the same) and encourages people to do acts that ultimately prolong capitalism.

[Marx_was_right!]

Since voting in the US is voluntary, I beleive any comrade who votes for a capitalistic party is commiting a gross travesty and lurching into reaction. We need to advance ourselves beyond these capitalistic bastards if we are to move into a sound a just future.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Not voting does nothing to stop the capitalist machine. A little known fact is that only about 50% of people voting age vote but the way the media spins it, you'd think only about 5% didn't vote.

I think voting for the SPUSA or other socialist/communist organizations can to some extent be encouraged but anything else is OI.

BTW I've been wondering about this for a while. Why does the CPUSA consistantly support the democrats???

[cbm989]

I tell people i think about voting green and they tell me "fuck voting overthrow the system" Well what the hell have they done lately to bring down the system? You have to use money and buy things from stores that probably have human rights violations to survive in our current societydo you not? Its adaptation. Just as voting is, adapting to the society we have now because not voting isnt doing shit. At the same time i HIGHLY oppose voting Dem/Rep.

[SocialistGenius]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2006, 02:24 AM
Not to mention... if you work hard and actually succeed in getting a liberal reformist into office, then the working class will become even more comfortable with capitalism and we'd have to start all over again at building class consciousness.
Someone else said something like this previously in the thread, but I don't know if I agree with having radical-right candidates into office that kill and impoverish people, just to raise class consciousness and move them to the left.

[Orange Juche]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2006, 04:52 PM

No offense, but thats a real sellout kind of fucking attitude.
Because not voting is cool.
If you say so.

Personally I will not vote, and have great issues with people voting Democrat thinking its going to "change things." Although I think its pointless, if someone decides to vote Green or such a thing, thats cool by me... no harm in a symbolic anti-corporate gesture (even if it is useless).

[Orange Juche]

Nobody should be placed on the I.O. board for simply voting. We can't be so close minded to close off anyone who wont do things exactly the way we do.

[Livetrueordie]

I'll be voting
its reactionary not to