Hammer and Sickle - Question

[PlasticJesus]

What is the meaning of the Hammer and Sickle, whats the history behind it, and why is it considered a hateful symbol by many?

Thanks.

[thursday night]

The sickle for the peasants and the hammer for the workers. They are joined together to repersent the alliance between the workers and peasants that was very important to the victory of the Russian Revolution in 1917.

[Sensitive]

For obvious reasons, the ruling-class hates the hammer and sickle.

[Klondike]

A hateful symbol? Communism is far more compassionate that any other ideology. There is no hate involved in Communism. Who ever told you this has been influenced or is part of the aristocratic bourgeoisie whose power is threatened by the socialist revolution. Teach them comrade, the truth of Communism!

[Comrade Gorley]

Quote: from Sensitive on 3:17 am on April 30, 2003
For obvious reasons, the ruling-class hates the hammer and sickle.


Case in point:

http://www.niagara.com/~freedom/anticom/hamsic.htm

Some naive capitalist fool things the hammer and sickle represents weaponry etc. when it really means equality between the working class.

[Sensitive]

I also think of the hammer and sickle (and the Soviet flag, which I proudly fly as my avatar) as a symbol of opposition against US imperialism.

[onepunchmachinegun]

Quote: from Sensitive on 4:50 am on April 30, 2003
I also think of the hammer and sickle (and the Soviet flag, which I proudly fly as my avatar) as a symbol of opposition against US imperialism.

Wouldn't it be a better symbol of anti-americanism to hang the US flag upside down?

[Felicia]

Quote: from Comrade Gorley on 11:42 pm on April 29, 2003

Quote: from Sensitive on 3:17 am on April 30, 2003
For obvious reasons, the ruling-class hates the hammer and sickle.


Case in point:

http://www.niagara.com/~freedom/anticom/hamsic.htm

Some naive capitalist fool things the hammer and sickle represents weaponry etc. when it really means equality between the working class.

I took this from that website... I normally don't believe what I read from people like this..... but for the sake of russia returning to communism, I hope that he's not to far off the mark.....

"Soviet Russia is alive and well. The "reforms" in the Soviet Union are merely a deception. The old guard is still in charge. As quickly as freedom is allowed, it can be taken away. Just because the cage is opened and the bird allowed to fly, as long as a rope is tied to it's feet it can be quickly yanked back in"

and what's with the "50,000,000 murdered" is that an accurate estimate? Probably not, given the source.

[Felicia]

"And they say there's no International Communist Conspiracy? All these people, all around the world, all wanting the same thing, and all meeting regularily to plan and co-ordinate? what would YOU call it?"

this is my favorite part, nothing like a good red conspiracy! :cheesy:

"Anti-Communist Action is an organization dedicated to exposing and opposing the very real threat of International Communism. Despite reports on TV and in the newspapers, Communism is not dead. It is alive and well and growing stronger all the time."

Please, he should stop flattering us! *blushing* :cheesy:

(Edited by felicia at 12:15 pm on April 30, 2003)

[Felicia]

despite the fact the the basis of this site is completely wrong, not to mention ridicules..... I love this site...... if you can get though the "anti-commie" routine, you can see that are giving us too much credit, but not to worry, we wont take that into consideration when we are purging them and taking away their personal freedoms. :biggrin:

(sense the sarcasm folks, but really, I'm actually flattered by this site. I'm so flattered that I want to knock it's maker into the next communist super power!)

[Donut Master]

Yes, Felicia, the anti-communists always give their enemies too much credit. Alive and well, growing every day? Ha, we wish!

It's also a bit scarry, this site. There's an almost religious fervor about the way they want to hunt down and destroy all communists... completely blinded by ignorance, never skeptical of the cause.

As for the Hammer and Sickle, it's just another symbol, and symbols are subjective. I certinaly don't precieve it as an icon of hate, but apparently these nutball patriots do. It depends on your point of view.

[Sensitive]

Quote: from onepunchmachinegun on 7:14 am on April 30, 2003

Wouldn't it be a better symbol of anti-americanism to hang the US flag upside down?
No, the US flag is still ugly upside down. Also, hanging it upside down does not present an alternative to the US imperialist system, all it does is show discontent. We want socialism and an end to imperialism. We aren't just pissed.

[Comrade Gorley]

Any one who denies that this symbol represents the greatest evil the world has ever seen is either a Communist or a Communist dupe. I challenge any commie to give me an instance of any political organization that has caused more death and misery than Communist Russia.


Nazi Germany, the Roman Catholic church towards just about everyone (communists, Protestants, homosexuals, free-thinkers etc.) ancient Syria, and, of course-

America, to Loyalists (during the Revolution), to Quakers/Mormons/Blacks during the Civil War, to any non Anglo-Saxon in the early 20th century, to Germans (or anyone from a country under German rule), Italians, and Orientals during WWII, to Russians (and just about any other foreigners) during the Cold War, anyone not pro-war during the 1960's, and Arabs now. Soon, they'll persecute the Jews, and we know what happens to countries that persecute the Jews (the aforementioned Syria, Egypt, Rome, and the aforementioned Germany and Russia). We know it's all a matter of time; you accepted the Jews and blossomed, but soon you shall fall. Perhaps God's promise to Abraham in Genesis 12:3 has maintained.

[CopperGoat]

i always thought that the sickle represents agriculture. And the hammer represents industry. So both agriculture and industry work together, in unity and equality. Good answer yes?

[UnionofSovietSocialistRepublics]

The hammer and sickle itself, originate from the unique Russian unity of the peasants (the sickle) with the workers (the hammer) who together formed the Soviet Russian state. The Red field is symbolism of the blood that has been spilt by workers the world over in the fight for their emancipation, and was directly inherited from the red banner flown at the Paris Commune; the original and hitherto "base" symbol of a worker's government flag. The single yellow star is both the representation of the life and immense energy of the sun, empty because within is the blood or production of workers struggle; and also the five points of the star symbolize the single unity and international representation of the government — each of the five points is representative of the five (up to then known/recognized) continents.

I cant take credit 4 that, its from a website, cant remember the address tho!

[CompadreGuerrillera]

The answer is posted above many times, its the sickle that stands for the farmers, or peasants, and the hammer represents the city workers and the industry, who both united in the Russian Revolution to overthrow the Czars

ANYWAYS, in regards to the anti-communist-action site, i think it would be proper to introduce a site i have seen called anti-fascist-action the link here

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/senat...602/index2.html (http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/senate/5602/index2.html)

it is of course more informatory, and less attempted insulting of the enemy, besides, i think he gave us a little to much credit, were not that wide-spread YET
that guy must be a little messed up in the head, because he should realize that Hitler's Nazi regime, which he likely supports has killed WAY more than his false "estimate"



(Edited by CompadreGuerrillera at 2:16 am on May 7, 2003)

[Subcomandante Marcos]

I laughed when I read the things on http://www.niagara.com/~freedom/anticom/hamsic.htm, it was funny how they protraited Communisn as a hateful system only because they seek equiality, it clearly shows how they are blinded by their money and dont see that what they are really doing is killing thousands by hunger, poverty, slavemnet, etc..

I would really like to see some cappie living here in south america, for example in the poor towns of Brazil, were crime is in the air and a piece of bread is a treasure, lets see then if they are so eager about capitalism and would think twice before calling the hammer and the sickle a hateful sign.