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Omar-forever
6th June 2006, 22:54
Before I begin I would like to say that I am a great admirer of Che. This query is just to fuel a meaningful debate on the life of Che.
why did Che have to got to Cong and Cuba? I don't think he should have taken a guerilla force with him. He could have gone with a delegation. Rather than fighting he should have spread Socialist Ideology among the people. Rather than promoting a civil war he should have encouraged political restructuring in the Congo.
In Bolivia, timing was of the essence. But, was it?Were protests and strikes the required signals for a violent revolution. Who will Judge?
Was a violent revolution required. I personally beleive that violence cannot solve everything.
What I beleive is that Che should have waited for Bolivian citizens to take up arms against the dictator. Then when the situation was ripe he should have move in with his force. Such a strategy would have been more fruitful and maybe Che would be alive today.
Vive Le Che
Comrade Yev
7th June 2006, 01:18
"The revolution is not an apple that falls when it is ripe. You have to make it fall."
He could have waited for revolution to occur on its own in Bolivia, but that would be very negativly opportunitist. He was a revolutionary in heyday, not a cultural icon that rode in whenever he could look the best for his reputation. Bolivia had some mistakes, but I don't think his not waiting for revolution to occur on its own was one of them.
Janus
7th June 2006, 02:17
why did Che have to got to Cong and Cuba?
He didn't have to but if he hadn't, Cuba would've still been a lackey of US imperialism now.
Rather than promoting a civil war he should have encouraged political restructuring in the Congo.
It's hard to do that with a civil war going on. It may sound good but hardly anything ever happens through delegations, etc.
Wiesty
7th June 2006, 03:33
The congo was not in need of a delegation. Through CIA intervention Lumumba was assasinated (Quartered) and replaced by Thsombe, the american puppet. A peaceful delegation was not needed. As well in Cuba. Peaceful delegations dont usually work, becasue no one wants to give up their country.
Omar-forever
7th June 2006, 21:35
why did Che have to got to Cong and Cuba?
Forgive me, I meant Bolivia instead of Cuba.
very negativly opportunitist
I don't beleive it to be opportunitist. If Che would have supported and indigenous movement by providing logistical support it would have been more appropriate.
Che and Cuba should have supported a leader. By wanting to start a revolution in a foreign country the people would have thought that they would be ruled by an outsider.I donot think this is the right message to an already oppressed population.
It's hard to do that with a civil war going on
I totally agree with you. But rather than worsening the situation , shouldn't he have worked towards a consensus between the factions. Should he have worked for a more democratic path of reconcilliation.
Chec was a revolutionary who believed that doing it instead of speaking about it would in the end win through. Read some of his works especially his book on guerrilla warfare he uses his experience of the heroic cuban revolution to put forward a manual for other guerrilla movements in latin america. The problem being that Che failed to follow his own advice, on his arrival in Bolivia he alienated the Bolivian Communist Party who would have acted as a base for support. Then, he took no account of the fact of land distribution for the Guarani Indians. As stated in his book you must have popular support to wage a guerrilla campaign.
If you get the chance try and visit where he is buried, the Cubans have done him proud.
Wiesty
14th June 2006, 05:56
the bolivian communist party betrayed che
Big Boss
15th June 2006, 23:13
But rather than worsening the situation , shouldn't he have worked towards a consensus between the factions. Should he have worked for a more democratic path of reconcilliation.
With the growing tensions before and after Lumumba's death, it was simply imposible that a peace delegation would've produced anything at all. There were a lot of interests in Congo and the superpowers had their eyes in that country.
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