Families "headed by God"

[AnnieAngel]

Any family that is headed by God will be a strong family. I don't mean if you go to Church and be hypocrites the rest of the week, and I don't mean the nutbars, but I mean the average family which is headed by Christ will have a better life.

It's just the truth. If you raise a child with proper Christian values and morals and a love of America, that child will thrive.

I actually wrote a few articles, on How to Be a Proper Christian Wife, and How to Raise Proper Christian Children, you can read them at

http://bloggingpoints.blogspot.com

You can't argue with the facts.

[violencia.Proletariat]

Any family that is headed by God will be a strong family.

That is completely subjective. You can't prove that either.


but I mean the average family which is headed by Christ will have a better life.

Prove it.


It's just the truth. If you raise a child with proper Christian values and morals and a love of America, that child will thrive.

...wow...I'm speechless.

[RevMARKSman]

I'm thriving pretty much the way I am, thanks. Oh no, you say--a heathen! I will burn in hell! :lol:

[Ander]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 03:49 PM
Any family that is headed by God will be a strong family. I don't mean if you go to Church and be hypocrites the rest of the week, and I don't mean the nutbars, but I mean the average family which is headed by Christ will have a better life.

It's just the truth. If you raise a child with proper Christian values and morals and a love of America, that child will thrive.
This smells like the biggest load of unfounded crap ever.

By the way, I read your How To Be A Good Christian Wife and I almost shot myself in the face. I'm sure Mussolini would agree with it though.

[AnnieAngel]

It's not unfounded crap. I mean, this thread is based on a study, correct? And anyway, I mean, just take a look around, parents who play a large role in their children's lives and who support their children by instilling proper Christian values wil raise children who are less likely to do drugs, join a gang, etc, and they will also do better in their studies and in later life.

[AnnieAngel]

Papists are not Christian. The papist agenda in the third world is disgusting and shameful, especially when it comes to condom use.

And being raised poor should in no way lead to doing drugs and being a degenerate.

[Lord Testicles]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 07:49 PM
Any family that is headed by God will be a strong family. I don't mean if you go to Church and be hypocrites the rest of the week, and I don't mean the nutbars, but I mean the average family which is headed by Christ will have a better life.

It's just the truth. If you raise a child with proper Christian values and morals and a love of America, that child will thrive.

I actually wrote a few articles, on How to Be a Proper Christian Wife, and How to Raise Proper Christian Children, you can read them at

http://bloggingpoints.blogspot.com

You can't argue with the facts.
I’m pretty sure most of that constitutes preaching.


Papists are not Christian.

Im fairly sure that papists are the oldest christian cult around.


just take a look around, parents who play a large role in their children's lives and who support their children by instilling proper Christian values wil raise children who are less likely to do drugs, join a gang, etc, and they will also do better in their studies and in later life.

I'm fairly sure that a majority of people will at least try drugs, regardless of how they were brought up, unless they were brought up by a "Hail Jesus" kind of family, if that’s the case they will probably go mad and kill people. (What? yes I know an exaggeration)

Also what’s wrong with drugs, and being Christian will not help you with your studies, what a load of illogical crap, but then again what do you expect from a religious nut.

[violencia.Proletariat]

It's not unfounded crap. I mean, this thread is based on a study, correct?

This thread is not proof of anything. You think robots are good kids, we don't. It's subjective.


And anyway, I mean, just take a look around, parents who play a large role in their children's lives and who support their children by instilling proper Christian values wil raise children who are less likely to do drugs, join a gang, etc, and they will also do better in their studies and in later life.

Bullshit, unfounded. You cannot say that christian parents make better parents in context with non christian families. Selecting your little white petty bourgeois families for your studies is not very random.

As LSD has pointed out, brainwashing a kid into a program that is against drugs doesn't mean the kid chooses not to do drugs, they are brainwashed against it. It's like saying a kid born and raised going to church "chose" god.

[RevMARKSman]

OH SHIT, I just read the "how to be a good Christian wife."

Yeah, sure, husbands are superior, capitalize the word, all that shit... "The Husband is the head of the family." It scares me. Really. :blink:

And this from a future F2M transgender too. Come on, I wouldn't want someone in total submission to me.

Complete and utter uninformed, unfounded BULLSHIT. :hammer:

[AnnieAngel]

You'd be wrong on that one, Skinz. Papists were the Romans, you know, the ones who killed Christ??? Roman Catholic...you getting it?? They PERSECUTED Christians until they realized they needed an army, LOL!

[Lord Testicles]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 10:39 PM
You'd be wrong on that one, Skinz. Papists were the Romans, you know, the ones who killed Christ??? Roman Catholic...you getting it??
Thats what im talking about.

[AnnieAngel]

Huh? You said Papists were the first Christians...you're off by over 300 years.

[Lord Testicles]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 10:46 PM
Huh? You said Papists were the first Christians...you're off by over 300 years.
Okay first christain organisation.

[AnnieAngel]

That's not true, either.

[Lord Testicles]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 11:07 PM
That's not true, either.
I appologise for my lack of christian history ( :rolleyes: ), i was under the impression that the roman catholic church was the first church. Would you care to enlighten me?

[AnnieAngel]

It's ok, no need to apologize. Do a google search, or even read the New Testament. I'm not going to take over the topic here with your history lesson. ;) It's some fascinating reading, you'll probably find it interesting.

[adenoid hynkel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 10:32 PM
It's ok, no need to apologize. Do a google search, or even read the New Testament. I'm not going to take over the topic here with your history lesson. ;) It's some fascinating reading, you'll probably find it interesting.
The New Testament does NOT have any information about which was the first Christian organisation, because it was written BEFORE the appearance of the first Christian organisation. In fact the first Christian organisation was founded by the Emperor Constantine, general of the Roman Empire and afterwards creator of the Byzantine Empire. Constantine understood that many of his soldiers were Christians and that he would gain fullsupport of them by embracing the Christian religion. When Constantine won his enemies he made the till then illegal religion of Christianism the only official religion of the state, he persecuted the non-Christians and he encouraged the burning of Ancient Greek books and temples. Till that time there were small illegal sects of Christianism which had different doctrines. Don't forget that, at that time, there were not 4 Gospels, but many more. Constantine organised the First Ecumenical Council of Nicaea , in order to declare that only one form of Christian faith is true and the others are heretic and only the four Gospels are true and the others are heretic. From this Council came out the first significant Christian organisation, the Chalcedonian Church. The Chalcedonian church was divided into the Roman Catholic Church and the Easten Orthodox Church in 1054

[LSD]

Any family that is headed by God will be a strong family.

Really? Prove it!


It's just the truth. If you raise a child with proper Christian values and morals and a love of America, that child will thrive.

Maybe, if by "thrive" you mean turn into a misogynist, homophobic, nationalistic little twit. <_<

The perpetuation of conservative social structures can only hamper progressive change and harm society. It&#39;s really no coincidence that the decline of "traditional values" is directly correlated with the development of entrentched bourgeois political freedoms.

And to imagine that this is the "end" is patently ridiculous&#33;

You don&#39;t like what the "traditional" family has turned into? Tough&#33; Cause it&#39;s about to get a lot worse&#33;

I would even be willing to wager that within the next century, the "traditional" family will outright cease to exist. And, personally, I can&#39;t wait&#33; :)


Papists are not Christian.

:lol:

I&#39;m sure that the "papists" would say the same about you&#33;

That&#39;s the problem with "religion" though, isn&#39;t it? Everyone claims to hear "God&#39;s voice", but since the entire "belief system" is based on nothing whatsover, no one&#39;s ever able to, you know, prove it.

Your claim, though, is particularly ludicrous, considering that the Roman Catholic Church predates modern protestanism by about 1200 years.

Martin Luther may be legendary for railing against the Catholic Church (when he wasn&#39;t talking to "visions" of the "Devil" :rolleyes), but if you actualy read his arguments, you find that they&#39;re pretty flimsy.

Yeah, the Church was an oppressive and arbitrary body, but then so was were the various Churches that sprung out of Luther&#39;s protestantism, including the ones that he founded himself.

Why precisely is "scripture" so "infalible", whereas the "papal decrees" are not? Both are temporal documents, both were obviously written by men; but somehow we are expected to buy that one set of documents is "divinely inspired" whereas the other is not.

Religion is inherently illogical, that means that nothing about is going to make "sense" to anyone outside of the "faith". Accordingly, trying to draw these "lines" between "real" and "fake" Christians is frankly laughable to those of us who do not ascribe to "Jesus" and "his" bullshit.

You don&#39;t consider "papists" Christians ...fine, whatever. But by any reasonable definition, that&#39;s precisely what they are.

I would remind you, after all, that the Nicean creed which is still the common base of the Christian movement was invented, written, and popularized by "papists" and their followers.

After all, why is it that the Catholic Church opposed condom use in Africa? Oh right, &#39;cause the Bible tells them to.

Before you go about blaming the "Pope" for the crimes of the Church, perhaps you&#39;d better take a look at what he&#39;s taking his marching orders from. Here&#39;s a hint, it starts with "New" and ends with "Testament". :lol:


read the New Testament. I&#39;m not going to take over the topic here with your history lesson.

That&#39;s probably for the best, considering that from what I&#39;ve seen so far, you&#39;re "history" is ridiculously off.

And please, tell me that you&#39;re not implying that the New Testament is anything approaching history&#33; :blink:

I mean you do know that it&#39;s 90% fiction and 10% lies ....right? :o

[redstar2000]

Annie is trying to be the "Betty Bowers" (http://www.bettybowers.com/) of RevLeft. :lol: :lol: :lol:

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cool/223.gif

[AnnieAngel]

Ummm ever heard of Peter??? Paul??? As I said, if you want to read about the first Church, do a search or read the New Testament. LOTS of info there, even to telling women how to BEHAVE in the Churches.

The creeds were decided upon by Pagans turned Christian (papists) and written to try to stop HERESY as they saw it and to force people to worship and believe what they wanted them to in order to profit the Empire.

Heresy means CHOICE. They decided to pervert the teachings of Jesus and they tried to keep the power to themselves and they will pay for eternity. They are the Whore spoken of in the NT.

[Ian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2006, 02:50 AM
You can&#39;t argue with the facts.
Still lollin&#39; over here.

[LSD]

Ummm ever heard of Peter??? Paul???

Sure.

As I recall, Peter was the (semi-mythical) first pope of the Roman Catholic Church; given the "keys to the kingdom" by "Jesus" and appointed as his holy viccar on earth.

"Paul", meanwhile, was a "pagan turned Christian" (your words) who composed most of the (semi) authentic documents in the present "New Testament", most of which were him telling other Christians that they&#39;d better follow his interpretations.

Again, the Roman Catholic Church did not "corrupt" Christianity; it was Christianity.

Paul was not an early "lutheran" by any means. On the contrary, he []overtly stated[/b] that unless Church policy was followed, Hell would ensue&#33; :o

So much for your "early church"&#33; :D


LOTS of info there, even to telling women how to BEHAVE in the Churches.

Yes, as I recall, women were not permitted to speak at all in Church; additionaly they were compelled to "obey" their husbands and "submit" themselves.

Wow, this "early church" of your is sounding just great... <_<


The creeds were decided upon by Pagans turned Christian

Um... correct me if I&#39;m wrong, but weren&#39;t all early Christians "pagans turned Christian"? I mean, they had to be something before they converted, right?

[AnnieAngel]

Peter was not a Roman Catholic&#33;&#33;&#33; There was no such thing as a pope or a papist until CENTURIES after Paul was DEAD. Peter too&#33;&#33;&#33;

I didn&#39;t call Paul a Pagan turned Christian, I called the Romans who became Christian Church Fathers OVERNIGHT because the Emperor *made* them "pagans turned Christian."

Peter and Paul have nothing to do with the Roman Catholic Church.

[shoelimpyâ„¢]

First of all, hello to all. Annie asked me to come here because there were a lot of questions being asked and she did not feel comfortable teaching men, as it tells us in the Bible that women should not teach men. My name is shoelimpy™, and I will be your teacher for this session.

Let&#39;s begin. By the way, there will be a test.


Originally posted by LSD+Jun 5 2006, 02:46 AM--> (LSD &#064; Jun 5 2006, 02:46 AM)
Ummm ever heard of Peter??? Paul???

Sure.

As I recall, Peter was the (semi-mythical) first pope of the Roman Catholic Church; given the "keys to the kingdom" by "Jesus" and appointed as his holy viccar on earth.[/b]
Peter was one of the Twelve Apostles, correct. He was never appointed as the holy vicar by Christ, however (that is a Papist lie), also it is not even known if he was the first bishop of Rome (although it is certainly not implausible). However the Bible gives us no record of him being in Rome, which is odd since it would be guessed that Paul would have mentioned such a thing in his Epistle to the Romans. One would have to assume that Peter came to Rome after the Epistle to the Romans was written, however that would go against the Papist claim that Peter founded the Church in Rome.


Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2006, 02:46 AM
"Paul", meanwhile, was a "pagan turned Christian" (your words) who composed most of the (semi) authentic documents in the present "New Testament", most of which were him telling other Christians that they&#39;d better follow his interpretations.
As Annie has alreay stated, she did not say Paul was a "pagan turned Christian." In fact it is well documented that Paul (or Saul) was a Jew, I&#39;m surprised that you would even mention such a thing.

Paul was one of the most respected leaders of the early Christian movement, and his influence was well known in areas that were in those days outside of the influence of Peter (another point going against the whole "Peter was the First Pope" theory of the Papists). The letters that he wrote were written usually at the behest of the community or person in question. He did not just sit around writing letters to people for the fun of it, he was offering his advice to those who sought it as a man who was recognized as being wise and knowledgeable. I did not know that was a crime.


Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2006, 02:46 AM
Again, the Roman Catholic Church did not "corrupt" Christianity; it was Christianity.

Paul was not an early "lutheran" by any means. On the contrary, he []overtly stated that unless Church policy was followed, Hell would ensue&#33; :o

So much for your "early church"&#33; :D[/b]
More faulty reasoning. The institution that was in place at the time of Paul was in no way the Roman Catholic Church. The Roman Catholic Church, in its own depraved and beastial way is descended from the church of the days of Paul, if one sees a hostile takeover as descent (I would not make that claim myself, however I have a stronger belief in scholarly integrity than you), however so is are the Eastern Orthodox churches. In fact it can be even better claimed that the Eastern Orthodox Church is the church of Paul, because as Paul attests in his Epistle to the Romans, he did not found the church in Rome and in fact it developed much of its own accord, despite his Epistle and the time he spent there. However Paul did found many of the churches that would one day become the crux of the Eastern Orthodox churches, so they can claim direct descent.


Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2006, 02:46 AM

LOTS of info there, even to telling women how to BEHAVE in the Churches.

Yes, as I recall, women were not permitted to speak at all in Church; additionaly they were compelled to "obey" their husbands and "submit" themselves.

Wow, this "early church" of your is sounding just great... <_<
Your value judgements using your own warped sense of worth and morality has no bearing on the discussion at hand, and I will make no direct response to this at the current time. However I will point out that the earliest churches were held in the homes of women, for this is the true church, where Christians come together in fellowship wherever their meeting place might be. Lydia is revered by Christians the world over as she whose home served as the very first church.


[email protected] 5 2006, 02:46 AM

The creeds were decided upon by Pagans turned Christian

Um... correct me if I&#39;m wrong, but weren&#39;t all early Christians "pagans turned Christian"? I mean, they had to be something before they converted, right?
Absolutely not. The majority of the earliest Christians (including, of course, Paul) were Jews, not Pagans. After a time the majority of the converts did come from the Pagans. However what Miss Annie is referring to here is the time of the takeover of the church by governmental agents who no longer cared about the truth of Christianity but only sought its potential for political gain. When the entire Empire was forced to become Christian, and bend to the will of the Emperor. This is the time when the Papists began to take over, although even this takeover would not be complete for centuries (and they would never take over in the East, it is only we in the West who (wrongly, in more ways than one), in our Eurocentric fashion, tend to see the Papist Church as the endall and beall of Christianity before the coming of the Protestant Church. However even the Eastern Orthodox churches experienced the taint of Empire, although they separated from the rest before the horrible disease of Papacy could reach its infernal heights.

[Commie Girl]

Any family that is headed by God will be a strong family. I don&#39;t mean if you go to Church and be hypocrites the rest of the week, and I don&#39;t mean the nutbars, but I mean the average family which is headed by Christ will have a better life.

Eek..... :(


It&#39;s just the truth. If you raise a child with proper Christian values and morals and a love of America, that child will thrive.

What are different about "Christian" values and morals, and the values and morals upheld by us heathens?



I actually wrote a few articles, on How to Be a Proper Christian Wife, and How to Raise Proper Christian Children, you can read them at




You can&#39;t argue with the facts.

True.....now post some facts&#33;


1. Always be up before your Husband in the morning so you can have his paper and his breakfast ready for him when he wakes. Although it is the morning, there is no need to be slovenly, always make sure you are showered and dressed with your hair fixed and your make-up on. ALWAYS serve fresh orange juice. Only whores use frozen

My husband was raised properly. He dresses, showers, has coffee, all by himself&#33; And he loves frozen OJ.


2. DO NOT sit down at breakfast. Your Husband will be trying to read the morning paper and the sound of your chair scraping on the floor will be a distraction to him as you get up and down to fetch him more biscuits or find his briefcase for him.

I do not even get up with my husband on weekdays&#33; It is waaaay too early. He actually gives US a wakeup call&#33;


3. DO NOT be a clingy wife&#33; Your Husband has a lot on his mind in the morning, planning out his busy day. Do not try to engage him in conversation about what your plans for the day are or other trivial matters. Always walk him to the door. Make sure to carry with you any of the things he has forgetton so he doesn&#39;t need to go back for them. Offer yourself for a kiss, but if he is too busy to notice DO NOT POUT. He has a lot of responsibility and the morning is not the time for feminine hysterics.

See above.


4. DO NOT CALL YOUR HUSBAND AT WORK. Nothing will distract him from his responsibilities at work faster than trying to deal with yours as well. It can wait. In the case of an actual emergency, of course, calling him at work is necessary. PMS induced crying jags are not emergencies.

Actually, my husband and I stay connected while he is at work through our webcam&#33; :)


5. Spend your day cooking and cleaning. There is no excuse for anything other than a spotless house. Filth is for pigs not humans and cleaning top to bottom everyday is a good use of your time as well as good exercise. Bake lots of cookies and cakes and treats. ALWAYS REMEMBER a fat Husband is a faithful Husband.

Wrong. All members of the family have household chores.


6. When your Husband gets home from work, do not jump him with problems you&#39;ve had during the day, or questions about his day. He needs time to relax and wind down. Make sure the TV remote is next to his chair and the batteries are fresh. Once he walks in the door, ladies...turn OFF the soaps and talk shows.

Is it okay if I jump him for sex? He likes that alot&#33;


7. Have a snack ready for him to eat as you finish dinner. If he is not happy with your choice of snack DO NOT POUT, it&#39;s your fault. He&#39;s had a busy day and he&#39;s not psychic. Replace the snack immediately with what he wants.

Snack? Right after Supper? :huh:


8. Dinner should be more formal than breakfast. At this meal you may be seated, and allow him to serve himself from the table. Of course if he wants hotter gravy or something from the kitchen, you need to be up and gone for it with a smile. DO NOT PIG OUT. Always leave the table a little bit hungry to maintain both your figure and your dignity.

Yikes..... :(


9. After dinner you may begin clearing the table as he waits for you to bring his dessert. He will be in a state of relaxation by this point and feel contented. If he aims a playful swipe at your backside during the clearing, respond with an "oh you&#33;", smile and continue to the kitchen to get his dessert.

This is why I had children. They clear the table.


10. When choosing a dessert, remember a fat man is a faithful man and a full man falls asleep fast. Use lots of rich icings and creamy fillings.

Dessert? Ya right&#33;


11. Do not complain or question if your Husband has plans for after dinner. He has the right to a private life. Never call to check up on him. Use your free time to bake more, or to do his laundry.

No....couples do not have "private" lives. How bizarre. Do you want to be a stepford wife?


12. Always go to bed before your Husband. He deserve a quiet time to reflect on his day and to plan for tomorrow. If he wakes you for sex when he comes to bed, give in graciously.

Give in? We both love our sex life and I have never thought of myself "giving in". That implies duty and perhaps not enjoying sex.


13. Never initiate sex yourself. Only whores initiate sex.

Got it. Whores=Initiate sex and serve frozen juice&#33; :lol:

[AnnieAngel]

Well, commie girl, you&#39;re not a Christian, so the advice doesn&#39;t really apply to you. ;)

By having a snack ready for him to eat as you finish dinner, I mean as you finish preparing his dinner and setting the table feed him a snack. The smell of the meal that is being prepared for him will make him hungry, and after a long day, the few minutes of relaxation and some food will give him energy and make him pleasant at dinner and not grouchy.

:)

[Commie Girl]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2006, 08:38 PM
Well, commie girl, you&#39;re not a Christian, so the advice doesn&#39;t really apply to you. ;)

By having a snack ready for him to eat as you finish dinner, I mean as you finish preparing his dinner and setting the table feed him a snack. The smell of the meal that is being prepared for him will make him hungry, and after a long day, the few minutes of relaxation and some food will give him energy and make him pleasant at dinner and not grouchy.

:)
How would you know if I am a Christian or not?

[Zingu]

Wow..... :huh:


Since we&#39;ve already blasted her with our political opinions, I&#39;ll give my own personal opinion.


I hope, if I have a future wife in my life, that she will never read your list. I find it completely disgusting that you demean your fellow sex into such a subservient, docile and passive role. :angry:

Actually, I couldn&#39;t stand it if my hypothetical wife acted like that...women deserve to be just as empowered as men. I would like it alot better if my wife would raise hell if she didn&#39;t like something, and/or asserted her own wishes.

Think of how it would affect the children, seeing women as being some second-rate docile servant&#33; They deserve as much as a shot at life as men do when it comes to their aspirations and dreams.

Of course, I&#39;m against marriage as well, so it wouldn&#39;t even be my "wife".

Mussolini would be proud&#33;

[AnnieAngel]

It&#39;s just a guess, commiegirl, am I wrong?

Zingu,

I personally find your rant sexist against women who choose to create a peaceful atmosophere in their homes in order to preserve their marriages. There are a lot of assholes out there, and many women are stuck in mariiages where the men are distant and cold and unloving. These are the women who write to me for advice on how to live a fulfilling life as a wife while remaining true to their vows and to Christ. Like it or not, my advice works for these women.

I hope that you realise that you are hating on quite a few women who don&#39;t enjoy a violent relationship full of yelling and screaming. What is the proper role for a woman then?? I guess she could be ignoring the family and off serving the state?? ;)

[Zingu]

You missed my point.


Its your type of people who keep preaching this stuff that women should be keep subservient in this posistion.

If a women wants to really live that type of life, regardless to whatever anyone told them or pressured them into, I&#39;m fine with that. (But, of course, stay away from me).

The problem is, in your "dream family", the husband is master of everything, he could do whatever he wants to the children or wife. Now, I want equality for all, and that includes the female, the kids, and the male...or whoever, 3 males, and 6 females, 10 kids...I believe in free love, the whole nuclear family will be moot anyways in due time.

What I meant by "raising hell" or "asserting her wants" is that she isn&#39;t treated as a domestic house slave, that she meets the partner on a free and equal level, in your system, she could easily be abused, cheated on, neglected or anything by the husband.

Which have often been the case, it was rephresensible and virtually a crime for women in Renassaince Italy to ever go out looking for love (or going out at all&#33;)....but when men did, it was a-okay.

[LSD]

Peter was one of the Twelve Apostles, correct. He was never appointed as the holy vicar by Christ, however

"You are Peter (the Rock), and on this rock I will build my Church" (Matt. 16:18)

http://www.catholic.com/library/Peter_and_the_Papacy.asp


The letters that he wrote were written usually at the behest of the community or person in question.

That&#39;s irrelevent.

The point remains that in those letters, he specifically and overtly stated that unless Christians followed his "guidance" they were "cursed", "damned", and "heretics".

That you would deny that this points to early organization is patently ludicrous.


The institution that was in place at the time of Paul was in no way the Roman Catholic Church.

Well, it wasn&#39;t "Roman" yet, but it was most certainly Catholic.

The institutions and structure of the Catholic Church, after all, are not Roman in nature. If the Church really did, as you imply, wholly develop from Constantine&#39;s "warped" mind, one would expect it to be fully Romanized in nature.

In reality, however, most of the Church&#39;s structures seem to be borrowed from Mithraic influences; Mithraism being a zoroastrian cult with no Roman imperial presence but a lot of influence over early Church "fathers".

That is, while there is no convincing evidence that "Jesus Christ" ever actually existed, there are some intriguiing indications that Peter (FKA Simon) and many other early Christian "leaders" came from a strongly Mithraic regions.

Indeed, there&#39;s even some indications that the entire "Jesus" myth may be a co-option of the myth of Mithra&#33; :o

Obviously, we have yet to determine whether that&#39;s true or not; but at this point we have more than enough evidence against the ludicrous Lutheran contention of a Catholic "perversion" of Christianity.

Not to mention that, again, you are still ignoring the fundamental paradox of a Lutheran interpretation. Namely that there is zero evidence to suggest that the "holy scriptures" are any more legitimate or "Christian" than papal decrees.

Your pal AnnieAngel has said on numerous times that she disagrees with certain aspects of the Bible, but follows them nonetheless. Why does that not equally apply to Catholic doctrine?

As far as I can tell, the "divinely inspired word" of "Paul" is no more intrinsically credibly than the "divinely inspired word" of "Leo X". Not unless you&#39;d care to offer some proof to the contrary?


The majority of the earliest Christians (including, of course, Paul) were Jews, not Pagans.

Now you&#39;re just splitting hairs.

Of course early Christians were mainly Jewish, Christianity is a Jewish sect. But the underlying points remains that all first Christians were something else first.

How does it honestly matter whether that something else was Jewish or Roman?


First of all, hello to all. Annie asked me to come here because there were a lot of questions being asked and she did not feel comfortable teaching men, as it tells us in the Bible that women should not teach men.


:blink:

That is quite possibly one of the most disturbing statements I have ever read.


Your value judgements using your own warped sense of worth and morality has no bearing on the discussion at hand

My "value judgments"? :huh:

We&#39;re talking about basic human rights here. And if you&#39;re going to hold up the "early church" as some sort of "Christian ideal", then you have a moral obligation to analyze it&#39;s actual policies.

One of which was, again, rampant sexism.


I personally find your rant sexist against women who choose to create a peaceful atmosophere in their homes in order to preserve their marriages.

Oh, you mean like how black people "liked" to serve their "masters" so as to maintain "peaceful atmospheres"? :angry:

Slavery is slavery and oppression is oppression. Women have no more "obligation" to "preserve marriage" than men do and to contend that there is some "natural" duty towards obeyance and docility is the worst kind of paternalistic sexism that I have ever seen.

If you want to degrade yourself by following "Christian morality", you have every right to do so; but don&#39;t you dare advocate it to other people on this board of all places.

I will not tolerate the promotion of slavery and if you insist on glorifying exploitation I will be forced to hand out warning points.

[Commie Girl]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2006, 09:03 PM
It&#39;s just a guess, commiegirl, am I wrong?


I was raised Christian....Roman Catholic, to be exact. But I have since gone through the deconversion proess and am now free to live life as it was meant to be lived&#33; :D

YAY&#33;&#33;

And how does any of this advice help women in abusive/dysfunctional homes?

[AnnieAngel]

Zingu, I&#39;m not preaching anything. I even stated that the advice was intended for Christian women. It was also advice that was asked for by Christian women. I don&#39;t expect anyone here to read it for anything other than to learn about Christian homes.

I don&#39;t know what "system" you think I&#39;m involved in, I gave advice that will make a woman in a bad relationship happier, advice that is in concord with their religion. If you have a problem with the fact that women wish to live happier lives in their marriage, that&#39;s your problem, not theirs.

[AnnieAngel]

Woah, I think people need to calm down. I am not promoting slavery in any way shape or form, nor am I intending this to be anything other than what it was meant for. It was posted in reply to another poster who was speaking of a study on drug use among religious teens.

The thread was then split. My advice was for Christian women and it is not slavery, she is free to come and go as she likes and to do as she pleases, I gave suggestions on how to make her life better. Why should she leave and give up her life when she can possibly save her marriage? I won&#39;t judge women who wish to try to make their lives happier, not everyohne has an education or the drive to be alone or the will to start over.

Please, delete this whole thread, the meaning has been lost through intolerance.

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

I showed AnnieAngel&#39;s advice to my flat mate Zena, she laughed so so hard i think she almost died&#33;

However, if thats what you wanna do for your husband then so be it.

Hypothetically though, if you worked and your husband wanted to stay at home, would you expect this to be done for you?

Also the Queen is a christian and a wife, but i bet she doesnt do this for her husband, would you advise her to start?

And what if you disobey your husband? Would you let him beat you like a good christian husband should?

[VermontLeft]

I don&#39;t know what "system" you think I&#39;m involved in, I gave advice that will make a woman in a bad relationship happier

:angry:

Women in bad relationships should leave, they shouldnt fucking "submit" to the "desires" of their husband you fanatical viscious little ****.

seriously what the fuck is wrong with you? you can&#39;t "teach men"? you have to "available for sex"???

What about your life? What about your sex? why not find someone that you want to fuck and fuck them isntead of thinking about "his" needs all the time,.

i mean what makes "him" so fucking special? why shouldnt he submit to you? what makes women "inferior" in your fucked up little insane "Christian" world??? :blink:

dont you fucking want otbe free of this crap? and since thers no evidence atall that Jesus was even real or that God (:rolleyes:) is more than bullshit myth ...why let your life be dictated by crazy 2000 year old bullshit???

i mean fuck, i dont know whether to hate you or pitty you although your telling other women to "submit" to slavery is making me lean pretty heave towards hate.


....****. :angry:

[TC]

:lol: omg that was like the funniest thing, AnnieAngel is brilliant :lol:


I mean seriously that couldn&#39;t *possibly* have been serious, no real christian would come of as that sarcastic it had to have been a parody.

AnnieAngel writes

ALWAYS serve fresh orange juice. Only whores use frozen.
http://bloggingpoints.blogspot.com/2006/04...stian-wife.html (http://bloggingpoints.blogspot.com/2006/04/how-to-be-good-christian-wife.html)
:lol: that was so funny i laughed out loud reading it.



Offer yourself for a kiss, but if he is too busy to notice DO NOT POUT. He has a lot of responsibility and the morning is not the time for feminine hysterics.



If he is not happy with your choice of snack DO NOT POUT, it&#39;s your fault.

It just sounds so sarcastic.

Theres just *no way* you&#39;re a real rightwinger Annie Angel they&#39;re not *that* ridiculous and they&#39;re certaintly not that funny. I mean *come on.*

I mean can anyone seriously imagine some christian republican type telling her friends or something not to use frozen orange juice or they&#39;re a whore?&#33; Can you imagine even like, Jerry Farwell endorsing the "frozen orange juice is for whores" line? I really don&#39;t think so.

[TC]

lol the how to raise your children stuff is even better :lol: &#33;

how to raise boys (http://bloggingpoints.blogspot.com/2006/04/how-to-raise-good-christian-children.html)


Some boarding schools will even keep the kids over holidays and breaks, in order to instill in them an even deeper sense of belonging.

I think Annie Angel needs to do more research before parodying fundementalist christians though; far from boarding schools they tend to want to actually have *home schooling* so they can control and micromanage what their kids learn. I don&#39;t think any fundementalist christian would want their kids away for holidays, especially religious ones because they like to instill &#39;family values&#39;, i mean really these are the type of people who tend to value formal family meals and stuff. It was still funny though


As we can never catch all the bad, nasty things a young boy will do, it&#39;s best to beat him pre-emptively on a daily basis.
haha lol christian S&M fetish.


Any boy with long hair, ripped jeans or a leather jacket is an obvious bad choice for your son to have as a friend.

lol that sounds like something from a 1960s comedy.


Video games should be kept to a minimum and should never contain any kind of violence unless it is a game put out by the U.S. Armed Forces. :lol: that was funny


Children are impressionable and the rap industry is geared toward turning your sons into women-hating, mysoginist ho-masters.

oh, come on, do you think a real christian would actually be able to invent the expression "ho-masters."


remind him God is watching him at all times and make up a few stories about bad little boys who disobeyed their parents.

:D

How to raise girls: (http://bloggingpoints.blogspot.com/2006/05/how-to-raise-good-christian-children.html)


coyness and manipulation through smiles and charm are positive attributes which will make her life easier in the future.
lol


are more easily influenced than boys, therefore you must be VERY CAREFUL when choosing her friends...Choose girls who are shy, fat and unpopular. This will help to keep the boys away...Make sure every child your daughter comes in contact with is from a decent, upperclass, Christian home.

hahahaha...unfortunetly for them i don&#39;t think there are many upper class evangelical/fundementalist christians...i think most of the US upper class is secular or non-attending episcopalian.


NEVER allow your daughter to go to a "dance" even at the church. She&#39;ll get a reputation as a slut. She can dance at her wedding.

:lol:


Skirts should never be higher than just above the knee...Leg shaving should NOT be allowed... This is all common sense. LOL it doesn&#39;t seem like Annie Angel thought through the implications of this particular combination of advice...although still funny.


Housework should be fun for a young girl, :rolleyes:

[LSD]

Yeah, I&#39;d say it&#39;s a pretty transparent parody; the "good wife hints" are probably based on this (http://www.snopes.com/language/document/goodwife.htm) very old "story".

In terms of "Annie" on this board, it&#39;s just too bad I didn&#39;t have a look at her blog before this, as it might have spared me trying to "debate" "her". <_<

Normally I find sarcastic treatments of religious fundamentalism to be inplicitly funny, but frankly this "persona" just strikes me as tired. In any case though, "AnnieAngel&#39;s" deception has been revealed before (http://blogher.org/node/6063) and, accordingly, I encourage all members of this board to cease taking her seriously.

It&#39;s almost sad, actually; it would have been nice to have a real flesh-and-blood Christian fundie to kick around ....oh well, no real loss I suppose. :lol:

[RedAnarchist]

People, I am close to physically vomiting all over the monitor. I would not want a woman to be my slave, I want her to be my partner - someone to love, share life with and to be equal in all respects. I don&#39;t her to be socially conditioned or to have sex just for my pleasure. I want her to have a career, to haev dreams and aspirations. Restricted members of the female sex, please act like revolutionary women and be free, independant, intelligent and yourselves, instead of the reactionary "ideal" of the female.

[AnnieAngel]

You know what? I&#39;m NOT a fundy, never once said I was.

That blogher woman doesn&#39;t know me, neither do any of you. I mean there is no way any of you could be real communists, I mean you have MORE than the poor people living near you, how hypocritical.

Again, I ask this thread be deleted as it&#39;s turned into a flame and troll fest. I was even called a ****.

LSD, go fuck yourself you piece of shit, I am a Christian and who the fuck are you to say I&#39;m not??

COMPLAINT&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; ANY REAL MODS AROUND TO DEAL WITH THIS CRAP? IT&#39;S BAD ENOUGH I&#39;M RESTRICTED SO I&#39;M A SITTING TARGET, BUT I WAS TRYING TO GET INVOLVED IN A TOTAL OTHER DISCUSSION TILL THIS THREAD WAS SPLIT.

OUTRAGE&#33;&#33; HOW DARE THIS LSD FUCK SAY I&#39;M NOT A CHRISTIAN&#33;&#33;&#33;

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I hope you dont speak to your husband like that.

Such coarse Language. I bet Jesus is roling in his grave.



LSD, go fuck yourself you piece of shit

Forgive him Annie forgive

[LSD]

You know what? I&#39;m NOT a fundy

No, but you are clearly attempting to impersonate one.

I mean really, "ALWAYS serve fresh orange juice. Only whores use frozen"?? :lol:

Again, Annie, your little game&#39;s been revealed; there&#39;s really no more point in perpetuating this charade. I admit that, for a time there, I fell for your trick, but upon reading your "blog", the truth was pretty plain.

And as Tragic&#39;s already pointed out, your impersonation isn&#39;t even particularly good. I get where you&#39;re coming from and can certainly empathize with your desire to attack Christianity, but I honestly think that this character of yours is probably doing more harm than good.

Personally, I would advise that you move beyond this juvenile play-acting and find something constructive to do with you time; in the end, though, it&#39;s of course your decision alone to make.


LSD, go fuck yourself you piece of shit, I am a Christian and who the fuck are you to say I&#39;m not??

A reasonably rational individual capable of recognizing when he&#39;s being scammed.

Basically, there are only two options here; either, one, you are are liar attempting to skewer fundamentalist Christianity; or you are a lunatic who honestly doesn&#39;t realize how nuts you are.

And while there is certainly a possibility that the latter is true, common sense and the preponderance of available evidence would suggest otherwise.

In any case, your "schtick" on this board has become especially tired and I would advise that you change your attitude if you don&#39;t want to find yourself banned.


COMPLAINT&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; ANY REAL MODS AROUND TO DEAL WITH THIS CRAP?

Precisely what "CRAP" are you refering to?

As far as I can tell, you&#39;ve "given" as bad as you&#39;ve "received". Indeed in this very post, you both refered to me as a "fuck" and suggested that I "go fuck [myself]".

In other words, you have zero leg to stand on here.

[adenoid hynkel]

Only whores use frozen. -Annie Angel

You may laugh at AnnieAngel but she has perceived things that you will never understand. She has foreseen the upcoming decline of the West and she knows who is responsible for it; who programmed it. THE JEW&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; HE filled our markets with ready frozen juices. He wanted in this way to turn our mothers and our daughters into WHORES WHO USE FROZEN JUICE. HE FILLED our markets with microwave ovens, so as to turn our devoted mothers into sluts who spend only five minutes to make dinner. HE even filled our market with fast food, junk food and McDonald&#39;s , so as our wives not to have to cook at all and so as to have all the free time to work, to go to nightclubs and have promiscuous sex with non-whites. This is the jewish plan to destroy the white family, the base of our Western civilazation.

See for yourself the filth that the JEW brought into our society

[adenoid hynkel]

More jewish filth

[shoelimpyâ„¢]

LSD, I think that you should try to use a little bit of reason and logic for once in your life. Understanding that you have absolutely no understanding of Christians or Christianity, I can see how this would be difficult in your case given the current topic of debate, however I will try to make things clear to.

Firstly, Miss Annie is a Christian. The fact that she does not perhaps fit into your stereotypical vision of what a Christian should be does not mean that she is not a Christian. One would think that such an anarchistic anti-authoritarian individual such as yourself would understand that people are people, no matter what group they belong to, and are not easily categorized into your stifling, prejudiced molds. Apparently one would be wrong in your case.

Perhaps if instead of attacking Miss Annie you actually had a discussion with her, you would be able to find yourselves enlightened by learning another person&#39;s perspective rather than making complete asses of yourselves. Sadly such seems to be completely impossible in these fora. Certainly you have a lot to learn about Christianity, considering the laughable comments you made above on the subject. (Peter=Vicar of Christ? Give me a break. The Bible clearly demonstrates that James the brother of Jesus was in control of the church in Jerusalem, despite Peter&#39;s presence there, and Paul certainly carried far more weight than Peter in many parts of Christendom. And the fact you would even bring up the subject of Mithraism only shows how truly ignorant you are. The similiarities between Mithraism and Christianity are superficial at best. Claims to the contrary are made primarily by scholars of spurious merit more interested in furthering their political agenda than actually speaking to the inherit truth of the history as it exists).

You need to calm down, LSD, and allow the idea to pass into your head that a Christian might be able to exist outside of the limited parameters which you have set for them in your own mind. One should not allow one&#39;s own prejudices (and you are most certainly quite prejudiced) to interfere with one&#39;s dealings of others. Miss Annie has never been anything but completely civil when discussing issues on these boards, and I think that she is owed the same respect which she shows to you.

[Lord Testicles]

Is this AnnieAngel&#39;s sock puppet tring to renforce her charade?

[shoelimpyâ„¢]

I am most definitely not a sock puppet. My presence here was explained in a previous post, however I had no idea just how rude you were people were being to Miss Annie. It is completely uncalled for.

[RebelOutcast]

Ok, I&#39;ve just read that "Blogging Points" thing, and I think I&#39;ve found the greatest piece of unintentional humor ever, this line of prose is so amazingly unfounded that it made me cry with tears of laughter.


Cellphones should be limited to the walkie-talkie type with preset numbers programmed by you, otherwise he may begin dealing drugs.

So may I ask, how in the name of logic, you managed to come up with that? Really, I&#39;ve sat here for the last ten minutes wondering how you managed to coerce yourself into believing that and then have the audacity to give it as parenting advice.

**edit** It just needed more emphasis.

[theraven]

this person is clearly joking.....

[TC]

"Honey, I&#39;m home", Mr. Falwell says as he strides in through the door. Mrs. Falwell stops watching her christian talk show and makes sure the remote is by her husbands chair and the batteries are fresh. "I&#39;m so glad you&#39;re home, now my day finally starts&#33;" Mrs. Falwell beams, "I wont bother you about the details of your work, i know what a stressful and important day you&#39;ve had, why don&#39;t you relax in front of the TV and i&#39;ll bring you some snacks&#33;" she says. Admiring his spotless home, Mr. Farwell sits down in his chair to wind down. "I&#39;ve brought you some snacks and orange juice&#33;" Mrs. Falwell chirps, she watches with anticipation as her husband tries her home baked cookies, knowing that if he&#39;s not happy with her choice of snack, it would be all her fault. "These cookies are a little too sweet, i think you&#39;re trying to make me fat to keep me faithful sometimes" Mr. Falwell says, and though disapointed, Mrs Falwell DOES NOT POUT, but then, as Mr. Falwell raises the glass of orange juice to his lips...he notices something...There is no pulp, the consistancy is flat, and a sudden, surprizing realization comes over Mr. Falwell: this is no fresh squeezed orange juice. "Oh" Mr. Falwell says as his lips begin to tremble and he notices his pants tighten "Oh yes" Mrs. Falwell smirks "Its frozen orange juice" "Does this mean-" "Yes" she interupts him "I wanna be your dirty little whore tonight&#33;"
:lol:

=I think Annie Angel&#39;s comment ought to inspire a christian fetish around frozen orange juice&#33;

[Commie Girl]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2006, 06:33 PM
"Honey, I&#39;m home", Mr. Falwell says as he strides in through the door. Mrs. Falwell stops watching her christian talk show and makes sure the remote is by her husbands chair and the batteries are fresh. "I&#39;m so glad you&#39;re home, now my day finally starts&#33;" Mrs. Falwell beams, "I wont bother you about the details of your work, i know what a stressful and important day you&#39;ve had, why don&#39;t you relax in front of the TV and i&#39;ll bring you some snacks&#33;" she says. Admiring his spotless home, Mr. Farwell sits down in his chair to wind down. "I&#39;ve brought you some snacks and orange juice&#33;" Mrs. Falwell chirps, she watches with anticipation as her husband tries her home baked cookies, knowing that if he&#39;s not happy with her choice of snack, it would be all her fault. "These cookies are a little too sweet, i think you&#39;re trying to make me fat to keep me faithful sometimes" Mr. Falwell says, and though disapointed, Mrs Falwell DOES NOT POUT, but then, as Mr. Falwell raises the glass of orange juice to his lips...he notices something...There is no pulp, the consistancy is flat, and a sudden, surprizing realization comes over Mr. Falwell: this is no fresh squeezed orange juice. "Oh" Mr. Falwell says as his lips begin to tremble and he notices his pants tighten "Oh yes" Mrs. Falwell smirks "Its frozen orange juice" "Does this mean-" "Yes" she interupts him "I wanna be your dirty little whore tonight&#33;"
:lol:

=I think Annie Angel&#39;s comment ought to inspire a christian fetish around frozen orange juice&#33;
:lol: Love it&#33;

[Nicky Scarfo]

Annie asked me to come here because there were a lot of questions being asked and she did not feel comfortable teaching men, as it tells us in the Bible that women should not teach men.

Your kind should be physically liquidated.

Whenever I hear shit like this it brings out my inner Hoxhaist.

[Goatse]

LOL

I can&#39;t believe I fell for her when she first came here, when I was flaming her for her racist blog. S/he must have been in hysterics when his/her parody got me 2 warning points.

I think you, AnnieAngel (or are you DannyAngel? It&#39;s quite common for males will acne to impersonate women on the internet) took your spoof too far this time.

Nice one though. Die in Basra.

[Wanted Man]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 12:33 AM
I think Annie Angel&#39;s comment ought to inspire a christian fetish around frozen orange juice&#33;
I think there&#39;s some very interesting lessons to be learned from this. I suggest we start by having a big ol&#39; frozen orange juice orgy in Live Chat so everyone can have fun feeling dirrrrrty and all that. All non-restricted, non-banned members are invited. :)


Whenever I hear shit like this it brings out my inner Hoxhaist.
My inner Hoxhaist is already phoning the secret service.


I can&#39;t believe I fell for her when she first came here, when I was flaming her for her racist blog. S/he must have been in hysterics when his/her parody got me 2 warning points.
Frankly, I think it should be allowed to flame restricted users without any consequences as long as you don&#39;t say anything, umm, "restrict-able" yourself. :)


I think you, AnnieAngel (or are you DannyAngel? It&#39;s quite common for males will acne to impersonate women on the internet) took your spoof too far this time.
I thought that was obvious.

P.S. Sorry for bumping, but I just couldn&#39;t resist this gem. :lol:

[RaiseYourVoice]

I only read the page and died in a mix of laughter and crying......
I really honestly hope this is just some people that want provocation....
I love the essay about women and how they have to behave
I love even more that a women defends this
I will post again when i am ressurected from the dead (maybe annie could organise some for me?)

[Goatse]

I feel so embarrassed about being tricked. :blush:

And wow, cool, new smileys&#33; :banner: :star: :AO: :A: :redstar:

[Wanted Man]

Don&#39;t sweat it. But where the hell is the hammer and sickle?

[CubaSocialista]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 06:25 PM
Papists are not Christian. The papist agenda in the third world is disgusting and shameful, especially when it comes to condom use.

And being raised poor should in no way lead to doing drugs and being a degenerate.
The sad thing, madam, is that I honestly and sincerely thought you were joking.

I have never seen such blatant, self-righteous, and anachronistic thinking.
God is spiritual and metaphysical. The acceptance of this being is something entirely up to individuals, and has nothing to do with worldly affairs: there is no reason for them to.

Men and Women are equal. No ancient book of proverbs can keep us chained to a barbaric past.

I would say something along the lines of

"Now be a good Christian wife and stop thinking&#33; Get in the kitchen and make some soup&#33;"

but I&#39;m not that kind of person.

[CubaSocialista]

Originally posted by Nicky [email protected] 7 2006, 04:38 AM

Annie asked me to come here because there were a lot of questions being asked and she did not feel comfortable teaching men, as it tells us in the Bible that women should not teach men.

Your kind should be physically liquidated.

Whenever I hear shit like this it brings out my inner Hoxhaist.
Whenever I hear something like that, I feel like I need to add my nonsense too&#33;


Women shouldn&#39;t teach men.

Therefore, a hickey doo-ba-shoo-ba doo-rang diddly hickle pickle chiddly-doo-wop-shee-doo.

[CCCPneubauten]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2006, 05:37 PM
Don&#39;t sweat it. But where the hell is the hammer and sickle?
:hammer: