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Janus
26th May 2006, 22:48
Originally posted by BBC News
The origin of HIV has been found in wild chimpanzees living in southern Cameroon, researchers report.
A virus called SIVcpz (Simian Immunodeficiency Virus from chimps) was thought to be the source, but had only been found in a few captive animals.

Now, an international team of scientists has identified a natural reservoir of SIVcpz in animals living in the wild.

The findings are to be published in Science magazine.
It is thought that people hunting chimpanzees first contracted the virus - and that cases were first seen in Kinshasa, in the Democratic Republic of Congo - the nearest urban area - in 1930.

Scientists believe the rareness of cases - and the fact that symptoms of Aids differ significantly between individuals - explains why it was another 50 years before the virus was named.

This team of researchers, including experts from the universities of Nottingham, Montpellier and Alabama, have been working for a decade to identify the source of HIV.

While SIVcpz was only identified in captive animals, the possibility remained that yet another species could be the natural reservoir of both HIV and SIVcpz.

Gene tests

It had only been possible to detect SIVcpz using blood test - which meant that only captive animals could be studied.

This study, carried out alongside experts from the Project Prevention du Sida au Cameroun (PRESICA) in Cameroon, involved analysing chimpanzee faeces, collected from the forest floor in remote jungle areas.
This was useful because University of Alabama at Birmingham researchers had been able to determine the genetic sequences of the chimpanzee viruses - which could then be searched for in the faecal samples.

Lab tests detected SIVcpz specific antibodies and genetic information linked to the virus in up to 35% of chimpanzees in some groups.

All of the data were then sent to the University of Nottingham for analysis, which revealed the extremely close genetic relationship between some of the samples and strains of HIV.

Chimpanzees in south-east Cameroon were found to have the viruses most similar to the form of HIV that has spread throughout the world.

The researchers say that, as well as solving the mystery about the origin of the virus, the findings open up avenues for future research.

But SIVcpz has not been found to cause any Aids-like illnesses in chimpanzees, so researchers are investigating why the animals do not suffer any symptoms, when humans - who are so genetically similar - do.

Close relation

Paul Sharp, professor of genetics at the University of Nottingham said: "It is likely that the jump between chimps and humans occurred in south-east Cameroon - and that virus then spread across the world.

"When you consider that HIV probably originated more than 75 years ago, it is most unlikely that there are any viruses out there that will prove to be more closely related to the human virus."

He said the team were currently working to understand if the genetic differences between SIVcpz and HIV evolved as a response to the species jump.

Keith Alcorn of Aidsmap said: "The researchers have pinned down a very specific location where they believe the precursor of HIV came from.

"But there are vast areas of west Africa where other forms of SIVcpz lineages exist, and the possibility remains for human infection.

Yusef Azad, policy director of the National Aids Trust said: "This research is interesting as all discoveries which relate to the history and origins of HIV could be of value to the vital work being carried out by scientists in developing a HIV vaccine."

So this adds new evidence to what we already know and have predicted about HIV's origins.

OneBrickOneVoice
4th June 2006, 08:33
Yeah I think most people knew that it came from chimps or monkeys. It's really horrible that it was able to spread worldwide. That's thing the thing that needs to be stopped from happening again. A diesease spreading so easily around the world.

ÑóẊîöʼn
4th June 2006, 18:06
I thought this was common knowledge?

Wiesty
4th June 2006, 19:36
it came from the green monkey, or green ape or somethign like that

Janus
4th June 2006, 20:42
I thought this was common knowledge?
It is but this reasearch provides much more detailed info. on the origins.

Commie Rat
5th June 2006, 10:03
If was commonly agreed on, but it had never officially been vertified, and from which species it came from.

RevSouth
10th June 2006, 08:53
The real question is, who's banging the monkeys?

RevMARKSman
10th June 2006, 13:39
No, who's taking meth with the monkeys? ;)

Wiesty
14th June 2006, 06:30
it would of been passed on through people eating the monkeys

Cult of Reason
14th June 2006, 06:46
Eating? Can viruses then survive the digestive process, or can they be absorbed into the blood stream before digestion (through the mouth, and maybe stomach wall if they are quick enough)?

Palmares
14th June 2006, 09:29
The "Who fucked a monkey?" joke is common, but I've heard theories that the virus may have came from India, as in some parts it is a delicacy to eat monkey brains.

Mujer Libre
14th June 2006, 10:35
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 03:47 AM
Eating? Can viruses then survive the digestive process, or can they be absorbed into the blood stream before digestion (through the mouth, and maybe stomach wall if they are quick enough)?
If you were eating rare monkey and had cuts in your mouth maybe? Although HIV can get into the body throuh unkeratinised mucosal surfaces (sorry for the jargon) that line the gut, now that I think about it.

It could also have been someone being bitten by a chimp/monkey, that had its own bleeding wounds.

And Chris, that theory's pretty ulikely as there are species of monkeys/apes in Africa that have their own disease thats realllly close to HIV.

Janus
14th June 2006, 10:39
And Chris, that theory's pretty ulikely as there are species of monkeys/apes in Africa that have their own disease thats realllly close to HIV.
That's true and that's also what the article addresses.


By the way, could we stop with the spam?

Cult of Reason
14th June 2006, 15:33
Originally posted by Mujer [email protected] 14 2006, 08:36 AM
If you were eating rare monkey and had cuts in your mouth maybe? Although HIV can get into the body throuh unkeratinised mucosal surfaces (sorry for the jargon) that line the gut, now that I think about it.
The gut? I assume by that you mean the whole digestive tract andnot just the intestines? So you mean that viruses can be absorbed through the oesophagus?

Mujer Libre
15th June 2006, 05:30
Originally posted by Haraldur+Jun 14 2006, 12:34 PM--> (Haraldur @ Jun 14 2006, 12:34 PM)
Mujer [email protected] 14 2006, 08:36 AM
If you were eating rare monkey and had cuts in your mouth maybe? Although HIV can get into the body throuh unkeratinised mucosal surfaces (sorry for the jargon) that line the gut, now that I think about it.
The gut? I assume by that you mean the whole digestive tract andnot just the intestines? So you mean that viruses can be absorbed through the oesophagus? [/b]
They can be absorbed through the oesophagus, because it's lined with a mucosal layer, without keratin- which acts as a barrier. Transmission like this isn't as likely as through direct contact with blood, obviously.

Reuben
15th June 2006, 11:47
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 03:47 AM
Eating? Can viruses then survive the digestive process, or can they be absorbed into the blood stream before digestion (through the mouth, and maybe stomach wall if they are quick enough)?
in terms of the Human virus, blood to mouth contact represents some rick of HIV infection although this tends to be quite an unlikely route of transmission - partly because saliva is not good for the virus. I suppose if enough peopple ate these monkeys someone would get the disease. Still people could have been banging the monkeys.

elmo sez
15th June 2006, 18:03
I heard it was something to do with making polio vacinations .. with monkeys .. dont ask me ..maybe anti bodies or somethin from the monkeys .. but the monkeys had SIV and it spread through polio vaccinations in africa. Probably not true but thats what i heard or somepeople say it was the US government or someone in it that was planning a genocide of africans ....i think Kanye West is a big supporter of that theory , not that it matters but thats how i heard about it.

1984
16th June 2006, 00:24
The CIA developed it artificially spread it in the jungle in order to exterminate the African population.

(...)

Oh well, it's only a conspiracy theory... yet. I wouldn't be shocked if someone finds out it's true.

red&white
16th June 2006, 13:52
hahaha..... well if it has 2 spread through git then the theory would have mentioned the name of china before india coz here in china we can get a monkey brain but only in some backward provinces !
what a shopkepper do is , he will put an alive monkey in a very tight cage , the monkey cant move, now what u have to do is pay a small100 yuans and the man will make a hole in the head of that monkey .... the monkey will only cry but cant move as the cage is so tight. Then he will put a pipe inside that hole & what u have to do is only SUCK !

Vladislav
16th June 2006, 15:37
what the fuck. I don't think I understood you correctly red&white. But if that's true that is some whack shit.

!Injustice!
25th June 2006, 01:13
genetically manufactured and spread????or is that way to wild and crazy <_<

ÑóẊîöʼn
25th June 2006, 01:39
Originally posted by &#33;Injustice&#33;@Jun 24 2006, 10:14 PM
genetically manufactured and spread????or is that way to wild and crazy <_<
More like a wacky conspiracy theory.

kjt1981
25th June 2006, 02:40
Originally posted by red&[email protected] 16 2006, 10:53 AM
hahaha..... well if it has 2 spread through git then the theory would have mentioned the name of china before india coz here in china we can get a monkey brain but only in some backward provinces &#33;
what a shopkepper do is , he will put an alive monkey in a very tight cage , the monkey cant move, now what u have to do is pay a small100 yuans and the man will make a hole in the head of that monkey .... the monkey will only cry but cant move as the cage is so tight. Then he will put a pipe inside that hole & what u have to do is only SUCK &#33;
what sort of psychotic sick bastard would suck the brains out of a live, screaming in agony monkey? FFS? Thats horrible&#33;

Some people deserve to die&#33;

Anyone see 12 Monkeys? Terry Gilliam film? Watched it today for the first time in years&#33; Class.

Janus
25th June 2006, 03:41
but I&#39;ve heard theories that the virus may have came from India
It&#39;s a delicacy in Africa and some parts of Europe as well.

FidelCastro
28th June 2006, 05:44
God, that guy must have been one horny bastard to bang a monkey. Personally, I think that was the case because face it or not, for a while, it was found mostly in gay people so unless tainted monkeys were being served at gay bars, there has to be a connection. I&#39;m not saying Gays have more zoophilic tendancies because it would be just as plausible for a straight guy or girl to bang a monkey.

synthesis
29th June 2006, 12:58
Nobody had to bang a monkey.

The origin of HIV came from a group of Western scientists who needed human guinea pigs to try out a polio vaccine from a liver cell from a monkey that was infected with a mutative strain of the HIV virus, unbeknownst to the scientists.

Their test subjects were in what was then Ruanda-Urundi (now Rwanda and Burundi) which had a relatively high concentration of both tourists and gays. It&#39;s pretty easy to see the spread from there.

Long story short, the origin of the epidemic of AIDS is similar to the origins of the crack epidemic, where C.I.A. officials vetoed attempts by the DEA and FBI to control the cocaine trade in the late 70&#39;s and 80&#39;s and thus paved the way for the cheap coke that flooded L.A. and N.Y. streets - not because they were sadistic racists but because the crack sold was funding Nicaraguan reactionaries.

AIDS caught on in a similar way, not due to some monstrous desire to foist malice and suffering on another people, but simply due to the single minded drive to accomplish political goals - and the apathy towards any suffering that may ensue as a result, especially that suffering perceived to harm only those that look or act differently than oneself.

afrikaNOW
29th June 2006, 18:35
Afrikans have been living with animals such as monkeys for thousands of years without every getting aids. As the comrade said it came when European scientists came to West Africa/Congo to create polio vaccines from blood from the chimpanzees, hundreds of monkies were slaughtered and at least some had to have the SIV virus, the vaccine was then tested on millions , and the domino effect began. But noone knows for sure and if they do they are not telling.

and if you dont think the crack epidemic was racist, i dont know what you sniffing on.

pandora
29th June 2006, 19:34
Aidsgate as it was called in Greenwich Village was no doubt adapted from a virus among monkees collected for lab research and made into a potent virus that was released in the gay community in New York City, where the first cases showed up.

At least that was the theory so widely held of those in the Village attacked by the disease that posters with Reagan&#39;s face melting saying "Aids Gate" were pasted all over the West Village in the 80&#39;s

Ferg
5th July 2006, 18:16
I always thought it came from a Polio vaccinee too. Polio is the root of all evil. Well, there is definitaly nothing good about Polio.

Sugar Hill Kevis
5th July 2006, 21:19
didn&#39;t we keep mating with chimps for a few million years after we genetically split?

wouldn&#39;t that have an impact on the virus spreading through humans?