classes changing

[Global_Justice]

how can the left adapt it westernised countries? in a recent survey, only 53% of people in the UK said they were working class. however a large proportion of this was accountants and office workers classing themselves as working class because they came from a working class background. how can the working class claim to be the 'masses' when in all likelyhood well under 40% of the population work in any sort of manufacturing or industrial factories or in agricultural jobs?

the old argument of producing for capatalists who then take all the money doesn't work. nowadays most 'working class' people don't work in any sort of production, but they drive taxis, or work at checkouts for large companies and supermarkets, or they waiter/waitress or they work in offices or as assistants. how could we 'sell' a revolution to these people? how would these sorts of jobs possibly be improved after a revolution?

today, i see the left not so much as workers, but i see the left standing for different things. the left stands for anti-establishment, anti-imperialism and anti-fascism as it always has. but i have a good life, i'm well off, i go to college, i have enough money for food and cloths and i suspect almost everyone here has the same, so to me the left is less about the 'working class' in capatalist first world countries and more about fighting poverty and exploitation of third world countries and fighting against globalisation and US corporations.

[Global_Justice]

sorry i didn't mean to post it twice can someone delete one of them?

[bolshevik butcher]

Well service sectory workers are still workers. Their only place income is in selling their labour, and they are stille exploited as Marx's value of labour rule still aplies, ie they are paid less than their labour is valued at. And while lots of people run around saying they're working class that doesnt mean that they are. Most 'middle class' people are still 'protaletarians'.

[barista.marxista]

I'd highly recommend Erik Olin Wright's book Class Counts (http://www.ssc.wisc.edu/~wright/selected-published-writings.htm#class%20counts), a thirty-year examination of the changing class structure, available absolutely for free at that link. I've found it to be the best explanation of how the class structure is changing, why it's changing, and what that means for Marxists and Marxist theory.

[chuq]

To me when I became a Marxist I became a citizen of the world and any exploitation of the working class, however it is now defined, is injury to all. No matter whether you are first world or third world or outer world. The revolution will make a better life for your family, housing, medical, food, education; in other words your children would not have to worker for some prick who will suck them dry then turn them out to pasture with no chance at a descent life once they are used up.

The revolution will give all workers the control of their lives; a control that most do not have now.