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ChiTown Lady
26th April 2003, 10:55
This is an interesting correspondence I just had in a forum I attend. You may find it at the very least amusing. I am reiterating here - what the guy specifically said to me and my reply to what he said.

By the way (I case you are interested in reading my Communistic text at this site) this correspondence came from the www.usastinks.org site- “Discussion Board”.

Topic Name: Open Letter to Chi Town "Lady"

Author: Capitalist Patriot (---.clspco.adelphia.net)
Date: 04-25-03 06:33

Closed minds need not read further.

Check out the site. . .

http://www.pressaprint.com/som/wesupportu.htm

make sure you have your sound on.

The web masters built a slide show on several links in the web site (it's the same slide show only on different URLs). The slide show is a magnificent dedication to those who fought for freedom in history and those who fight for freedom now. I don't really think you will be moved by it. Judging from your rabid, apoplectic commentary elswhere in this site you are probably beyond hope. But check it out anyway. Maybe I'm wrong. It will give you at least a good dose of the truth which just might cut throught the deeply socialist, dare I say, "communist" mantel of deception you have created around yourself, blinding you from seeing the freedom in which you live.

It shows the truth of what Americans think about their paladins, their freedom fighters, their heros. They are the bravest men and women on the face of the Earth. They fight to rid America of a scourge it did not invite. They risk their lives so that you may have yours. You could have taken their place on the battlefield but you didn't. Instead, you chose a life of relative safety and comfort compared to their's. For that you should feel no guilt, only grattitude.

Now I know what you will say once you view the slide show. . ."Yeah, but what about the civilians who died? What about Halliburton? What about the fact that we funded Saddam in the Iran/Iraq war and bin Laden during the Soviet/Afgan war?" . . .and on and on. The truth here in these events, as it is with the slide show, is in the devotion to the American people. Ask, "What is good for America?" or better yet, believe as JFK said, "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask instead what you can do for your country," and you may gain insight into the seemingly contradictory chain of events. It is neither arrogant, nor near-sighted, nor imperialistic, nor greedy, nor tyrannical to ask such a question or hold such a belief. It is patriotic.

You sit back and "armchair" your politics because somehow you were blessed with a knowledge we inane patriots have missed. This is good enough for you. Experience and wisdom are highly overrated in your point of view. Your opinion is simply brilliant and those who oppose you are the illiterati. You feel you know enough about matters of national security, fighting terrorists, and law enforcement no matter what the level of classification. Grow up. There are a great many things you know nothing about. Realizing that is the first step.

*** end of what he said

My reply to him in that forum topic:

Author: ChiTown Lady
Date: 04-26-03 10:23

Who is fighting to rid the militarily inferior nations from the Imperialist scourge of aggression they did not invite?

This is the real question – isn’t it?

On the topic of what is good for America (AKA the United States) – The totalitarian surveillance rights given the FBI in the name of Homeland Security is certainly NOT good for the US American people (in the long run). The fact that our constitution has been appended beyond recognition in the past year in the direction of turning this country into a Fascist State is NOT ultimately in the interest of the US American people. But unfortunately guys like you will probably not see that situation for what it is until it’s progressed to a higher level here, and it’s too late to back-step out of what we have become internally. That is if you even realize, at that point, what really hit you from your blind side.

Grow up. There are a great many things you know nothing about. Realizing that is the first step.

Non-Sectarian Bastard!
26th April 2003, 11:17
Wow, that someone can be so nationalistic and so tolitarian.

Non-Sectarian Bastard!
26th April 2003, 12:30
Just made a reply to that guy.

Organic Revolution
26th April 2003, 18:43
hey chi-town do u know when and were the mayday march will be

Dhul Fiqar
27th April 2003, 01:43
I literally got a small gagging reflex in the back of my throat reading the first paragraphs, I couldn't continue. I really cannot STAND this kind of "our brave patriots killed these poor brown people for FREEDOM!" kind of crap.

Good to hear you're ruffling some feathers, though ;)

--- G.

exploding toast
27th April 2003, 02:09
i agree with cccp's first statement

exploding toast
27th April 2003, 02:11
dhul figar also brings up some very good points

Subcomandante Marcos
27th April 2003, 03:48
It made me sick to see the pictures so manipulated, the fake sound, it was almost like the prologue of an stereotype american movie.

The problem is this is not only a guy or a bunch of them, they are millions !! blinded by the great ghost known as the "American Freedom", which can only be obtained by killing lessers forms of political system, any lesser form of economic system, any lesser formof living. In order for them to achieve happines millions must perish on the hands of a "smart" misil, millions must suffer on the corn fields of southamerica, the african factories and the streets of the world.

What i would like to see is american been "Liberated", see if they would like to have a plane above your house dropping bombs around the clock, having combat troops burst into your house, dishonoring your property, your life, yourself.

Just sick...

praxis1966
27th April 2003, 05:52
You know what I get so sick of? People who can't mentally walk and chew bubble gum at the same time. Just because we oppose the war, does not mean that we don't support our troups. I love every one of those brave souls, and it is a grave injustice that they should be put in harms way in an unecessary and illegitimate war. As a matter of fact, I believe myself to be an even greater patriot than those who support the war. I stand up for the helpless and oppressed right here at home!

Blackberry
27th April 2003, 08:08
Quote: from praxis1966 on 5:52 am on April 27, 2003
does not mean that we don't support our troups. I love every one of those brave souls, and it is a grave injustice that they should be put in harms way in an unecessary and illegitimate war.

You support willing murderers? How can you justify that?

If any of these people were really worthy of love and were brave, they would refuse to help invade Iraq.

Guest1
27th April 2003, 08:38
Some have just been victimized and forced to fight in order to afford an education. They are just a product of the system, the foot soldiers deserve no hatred. Don't wish death upon the poor souls being used by the elite.

Dhul Fiqar
27th April 2003, 09:00
Nobody in America or Britain is forced to fight. Iraqis are forced to fight.

So why is it that everyone cries when a single American volunteer dies, but the media notes seeing "several dozen Iraqi dead soldiers lying around" without ever bringing it up again?
Fuck that, Western soldiers choose to be hired killers, and their masters send them to do some pretty odious work. Thus I see nothing wrong in rejoycing when they get killed before they can carry out that work...

--- G.

Umoja
27th April 2003, 17:25
Most of the soliders here don't expect to go to war man. They are generally poor minorities who want to better themselves with an education but need money to afford it. So they do it the only legal way they can. So, I do have sympathy for the troops, because being a soliders is better then selling crack.

canikickit
27th April 2003, 22:33
I don't "support the troops". I don't even know what such a statement is supposed to mean. It is unfortunate that so many people are willing to become murders, and it is largely to do with poverty, but I still don't support such action.

I don't support wife beaters or drug pushers or pimps either, and I believe they are more strongly connected to poverty.

Dhul Fiqar
27th April 2003, 22:52
Umoja: anyone who would rather shoot brown people for oil than stand in the unemployment line has some mental problems in my personal oppinion, but I understand your argument.

It's not a totally voluntary choice to join the army in all instances, especially in a class-sense. But I still think a large majority of those serving do so because they believe in the wars America is fighting, and as such they are legitimate targets.

I would never allow myself to hesitate in killing an American soldier because of some possible good intentions of that particular person. He's acting on the behalf of a power that stands for everything I stand against, one of us will be eliminated and I'd prefer it be him.

--- G.



(Edited by Dhul Fiqar at 6:54 am on April 28, 2003)

Umoja
27th April 2003, 22:53
Except drug dealers, and pimps aren't trying to get to college. Even more, most people don't subscribe to our "superior" leftist thinking, and are convinced that working with the government is better then having them throw you in jail.

Dhul Fiqar
27th April 2003, 22:57
I agree that on the surface it is better to play along and be a collaborator, it serves obvious short-term interests.

I just think that we in particular as leftists need to recognizse the long-term class interests that are being served by such military service, not short term economic benefits. After all, that kind of thinking has been one of the great obstacles to revolution around the world...

--- G.

canikickit
27th April 2003, 23:05
Except drug dealers, and pimps aren't trying to get to college.

They're just trying to live their lives. The motivation isn't particularily of consequence.

Is the USA Stinks site not working for everyone or just me?

Umoja
28th April 2003, 00:44
Good point Dhul. It should be noted, that being a staunch pacifist though, I don't exactly support the troops. But most people don't know any better.

ChiTown Lady
28th April 2003, 06:48
rise up – I don’t know about a May Day march, but I will find out. I went looking online for anything like that and I do see that there is something going on May 17th and 18th in NYC. If there is a big march scheduled there – or anywhere for that matter, then there will also be one in Chicago. I will find out and post info about that this week.

But the story about what is goin down May 17th and 18th in NYC is written up here:

http://www.internationalanswer.org/