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Capitalist Lawyer
23rd May 2006, 21:04
Bogus Thread about Iraq Veteran (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=50369)



Impersonating A Ranger To Spread Lies

Lots of "progressives" will probably be excited today about a new "interview" with an alleged former "Ranger", "Jessie MacBeth", being hyped by the Centre for Research on Globalization. The alleged Ranger accuses American soldiers of all sorts of war crimes. Luckily, the makers of the film didn't know enough about how military uniforms really work, so real soldiers are pointing out the discrepancies to show it's unlikely that this person was really who he claims to be. Examples of the discrepancies noted in the site's comments are in the extended entry.

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1. Special Forces Combat Patch (Wrong)
2. Two "Tabs" sewn above SF patch (Wrong- Only One)
3. No Ranger Tab
4. No Airborne Wings
5. No Unit Crest
6. No Sewn on Rank
7. No One in the Army rolls their sleeves like that.
Bonus: 8. Mustache is out of regulation by extending past the corner of the mouth.

http://www.mudvillegazette.com/milblogs/2006/05/22/#004933

Update: More on the Army statement regarding MacBeth from Just Citizens:



Today, the Army ran a check on Mr. MacBeth’s credentials. It turns out, not surprisingly to anybody with half a mind, that Mr. MacBeth has NO Army service record. Anywhere. Period. This is a direct quote given to me by Army spokesman John Boyce:
“Initial research by the U.S. Army Special Operations Command at Fort Bragg shows no Soldier with the name of Jesse Macbeth having ever been assigned to the Special Forces or the Army Rangers -- which are, in fact, two separate disciplines. This appears to be some sort of hoax. No Soldier by that name at Fort Lewis to our knowledge, in the past, either. Of course, the line about "go into the Army or go to jail" is vintage TV script not heard since the 1960s. There are also numerous wear and appearance issues with the Soldier's uniform -- a mix of foreign uniforms with the sleeves rolled up like a Marine and a badly floppy tan beret worn like a pastry chef. Of course, the allegations of war crimes are vague, as are the awards the Soldier allegedly received.”

http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=3919


Another Source from JustCitizen (http://justcitizens.blogspot.com/2006/05/nimrod-of-week.html)


And now, for the Nimrod of the Week award. This week’s award goes to a man named Jesse MacBeth.

Mr. MacBeth has done a print interview at the website SocialistAlternative.org in which he claims, among other things, that he was an Army “Special Forces Ranger” and was personally involved in the slaughter of innocent women and children while stationed with the Third Ranger Battalion. He also claims that he and his unit “slaughtered people in mosques” in Fallujah and that he was ordered to “leave mass graves of women, children, and old men”

The Socialist Alternative website was so taken with Jesse’s tales that they ran the interview in full on their website and a video interview with him is posted on the YouTube website. In this interview, Jesse gives them a picture of himself which is supposed to be his “official Army Ranger picture”. The number of things wrong with his uniform are so numerous, it leaves those who know what a uniform is supposed to look like laughing furiously.

theraven
24th May 2006, 01:20
no replies...how odd :shurgs:

Morpheus
24th May 2006, 02:45
I'm sure he'll defend himself by saying he wasn't lying, it was just an intelligence mistake. :P

Spartacist
24th May 2006, 17:57
no replies...how odd :shurgs:

How about this; FUCK YOU.

Capitalist Lawyer
24th May 2006, 18:24
Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2006, 04:57 PM

no replies...how odd :shurgs:

How about this; FUCK YOU.
Oh wow, man, that was like...so intelligent man....

Actually, I DARE any of you commies to hang outside any VFW Post, any military base, or any VA hospital and spew your anti-military drivel.

TC
24th May 2006, 18:38
Originally posted by Capitalist Lawyer+May 24 2006, 05:24 PM--> (Capitalist Lawyer @ May 24 2006, 05:24 PM)
[email protected] 24 2006, 04:57 PM

no replies...how odd :shurgs:

How about this; FUCK YOU.
Oh wow, man, that was like...so intelligent man....

Actually, I DARE any of you commies to hang outside any VFW Post, any military base, or any VA hospital and spew your anti-military drivel. [/b]
lol okay, how about this, i'll go to a US military base and spew anti-US military drivel just as soon as you go to an Iraqi insurgent base and spew pro-US military drivel lol.

Capitalist Lawyer
24th May 2006, 23:37
We all know the origin of a communist's personality:......attended public school for 12 years, always kept to himself....learning to blame 'all the others' for not liking and associating with him, when in fact 'all the others' didn't enjoy pulling the legs off live insects, didn't like setting dogs tails on fire, and didn't like listening to organ music by the hour.

The commie persona hated sports of any kind, not only because he sucked at any and all coordinated activity but, also because most sports required teamwork and ability to get along with others.

After 12 miserable years in public school he graduates and applies for college admission. He does not have the qualifications for any of the larger, respected universities so he applies to his local, near mom institution and gets in, like everyone else who applies. He resents and is often critical of the larger, well respected universities for having rejected him and in rejecting any self assessment it is at this point he first labels such schools catering to the "ruling class".....the sole reason for his rejection.

He is not a particularly good student, still resents being where he has ended up and while his fellow students attempt to make the most of their education by enrolling in and completing degrees in Engineering and Sciences he opts for a Liberal Arts degree and trades library and study hall time for nap time and net surfing in the dorm.

At graduation he once again experiences the bitter fruits of his own choices....the engineering and science graduates are off on multiple job interviews while he sits and requests applications for a position as a public school history teacher....Once again the 'ruling class' has screwed him...after all who but the sons and daughters of the 'ruling class' would chose to be the destroyers of the environment as they wipe out nature to build their edifices and their steel and concrete highways.

Now, stuck in a dead end job and barely able to make ends meet he curses the 'capitalist society' which is at the root of all of his problems.

Marxism is the answer.....like Russian peasants so oppressed by the Czar...he too will revolt..... and change the world until the world becomes like him....for he will never fit into the world.

So the commie persona sits alone in his little room cursing the world and banging on the keyboard, throwing insults, questioning the intelligence of those who disagree with him, and disparaging the nation which gives him every opportunity for a good and successful life and the freedom to voice his warped opinions.....

but please, don't expect a commie persona to ever take responsibility for his rantings or to ever express them vocally, face to face with anyone except possibly a mirror....no, that would require something he has never possessed...the courage of his convictions.

You need to understand the 'Commie Persona' is a victim of the 'ruling class' and like all victims none of his actions or lack of success are his fault...they are society's fault.

Understanding that, one can see how a 'classless society' appeals to communists like you.

Now, let me just say one last thing that you are all clueless as to what the military has to offer. I personally saw people who would have been career criminals become productive people after joining the military. I saw idiots become smart. I read about farm boys from Iowa become friends-for-life with people from the Bronx. It takes people to many exotic locales, and makes them have a better appreciation for what most here in the Western World take for granted.

kurt
25th May 2006, 01:30
Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 24 2006, 02:37 PM
Now, let me just say one last thing that you are all clueless as to what the military has to offer. I personally saw people who would have been career criminals become productive people after joining the military. I saw idiots become smart. I read about farm boys from Iowa become friends-for-life with people from the Bronx. It takes people to many exotic locales, and makes them have a better appreciation for what most here in the Western World take for granted.
Are you suprised that "career" criminals are good at being professional killers?

redstar2000
25th May 2006, 02:35
A most amusing rant, CL. Completely divorced from material reality, to be sure...but there's no surprise about that, is there?

Sometime when I have lots of time to spare, I'll do one on the "typical conservative personality"...and we'll see if mine is funnier than yours.

Meanwhile, there's this...


Originally posted by Capitalist Lawyer
Now, let me just say one last thing that you are all clueless as to what the military has to offer. I personally saw people who would have been career criminals become productive people after joining the military. I saw idiots become smart. I read about farm boys from Iowa become friends-for-life with people from the Bronx. It takes people to many exotic locales, and makes them have a better appreciation for what most here in the Western World take for granted.

That potential "career criminals" could find suck-cess in a criminal organization is hardly surprising, is it?

You saw "idiots become smart"? I would think so. Especially after getting shot at! :lol: I've heard vets say it too: "I was an idiot for joining but then I learned better!" :lol:

Yes, being in the military these days certainly takes people to plenty of "exotic locales"...full of angry and violent strangers. :lol:

And, assuming they survive without crippling injuries, I'm sure they're very "appreciative" of returning to the "western world" where they need no longer worry about being shot at on a daily basis. :lol:

Most people have sufficient intelligence to recognize that such "benefits" come at too high a price.

You have not yet "made the grade" in that respect yourself.

Typical conservative personality? :lol:

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YSR
25th May 2006, 03:08
Jeez, CL, you nailed the profile right on. I've never met a communist who liked to work with others. And every capitalist flag-waver certainly never thought about themselves first.

Amusing Scrotum
25th May 2006, 03:15
Originally posted by theraven+May 24 2006, 12:20 AM--> (theraven @ May 24 2006, 12:20 AM) no replies...how odd :shurgs: [/b]

Well the original thread linked by CL, only had one reply....indicating that this issue is not really one that provokes much interest. Therefore, one wouldn&#39;t really expect the "rebuttal" of the original topic to provoke much interest either. It&#39;s really not that "odd" at all....if you actually think about it. <_<


Originally posted by What are communists? A definition provided by the Dumbass Encyclopedia; Volume II+--> (What are communists? A definition provided by the Dumbass Encyclopedia; Volume II)learning to blame &#39;all the others&#39; for not liking and associating with him[/b]

I was pretty "liked" by my social group in School....indeed regarding friends, I ain&#39;t got any complaints.


Originally posted by What are communists? A definition provided by the Dumbass Encyclopedia; Volume II
....when in fact &#39;all the others&#39; didn&#39;t enjoy pulling the legs off live insects, didn&#39;t like setting dogs tails on fire, and didn&#39;t like listening to organ music by the hour.

Do you honestly know anybody who has done any of those things? I certainly don&#39;t, so maybe your peer group is the one that needs to be investigated....and not mine.


Originally posted by What are communists? A definition provided by the Dumbass Encyclopedia; Volume II
The commie persona hated sports of any kind, not only because he sucked at any and all coordinated activity but, also because most sports required teamwork and ability to get along with others.

Play football ("soccer") every weekend myself, have played it since I was little. Indeed, I&#39;d wager that I could could destroy you in just about every Athletic field.


Originally posted by What are communists? A definition provided by the Dumbass Encyclopedia; Volume II
After 12 miserable years in public school he graduates and applies for college admission.

N/A.


Originally posted by What are communists? A definition provided by the Dumbass Encyclopedia; Volume II
He is not a particularly good student....

You actually missed by quite a distance on this one CL.


Originally posted by What are communists? A definition provided by the Dumbass Encyclopedia; Volume II
....still resents being where he has ended up and while his fellow students attempt to make the most of their education by enrolling in and completing degrees in Engineering and Sciences he opts for a Liberal Arts degree and trades library and study hall time for nap time and net surfing in the dorm.

I&#39;m studying Civil Engineering and Construction myself. So you missed....yet again.


Originally posted by What are communists? A definition provided by the Dumbass Encyclopedia; Volume II
....after all who but the sons and daughters of the &#39;ruling class&#39; would chose to be the destroyers of the environment as they wipe out nature to build their edifices and their steel and concrete highways.

You&#39;re proper twp you.

Does Paris Hilton work as a labourer constructing buildings these days? :lol:

The "sons and daughters of the ruling class" constructing buildings my arse. You must really live in another world if you think the Bush twins are going to be putting on hardhats any time soon.


Originally posted by What are communists? A definition provided by the Dumbass Encyclopedia; Volume II
So the commie persona sits alone in his little room cursing the world and banging on the keyboard, throwing insults, questioning the intelligence of those who disagree with him, and disparaging the nation which gives him every opportunity for a good and successful life and the freedom to voice his warped opinions.....

You&#39;re the one sitting in your room "cursing" us, so, if I was you, I&#39;d refrain from making silly comments like this. After all, as the old saying goes, people who live in glass houses shouldn&#39;t throw stones.


What are communists? A definition provided by the Dumbass Encyclopedia; Volume [email protected]
but please, don&#39;t expect a commie persona to ever take responsibility for his rantings or to ever express them vocally, face to face with anyone except possibly a mirror....

Talked to someone "face to face" about communism just yesterday. You&#39;re, honestly, like a pitcher with no "stuff"&#33;


What are communists? A definition provided by the Dumbass Encyclopedia; Volume II
Now, let me just say one last thing that you are all clueless as to what the military has to offer.

I heard they&#39;re doing great Package Holidays these days; Basra is currently a favourite destination....though the British Army is still running "all inclusive" Holidays for the whole family in Northern Ireland; apparently, the Unionists are super-duper guides. :lol:

Are you going to join the Military CL? I hope you do....soon&#33; One thing though, be sure to leave an address where we can send the wreath after your ass gets shot....heck, we may even be able to arrange for some delegates to attend your funeral. :lol:

Leo
25th May 2006, 03:22
Capitalist Lawyer and Theraven, are you hearing what I&#39;m hearing?

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http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/8174/deadkid5ib.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Those dead children are telling something to you;
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http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/8619/teen1me.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

They are calling you "MURDERERs"

Not only you, but they are calling everyone who supports this act of killing &#39;murderers&#39;.

Because that&#39;s what you are... Supporting child killers is supporting the act of killing children, and may you never sleep in peace ever again, because the blood of those children have sticked to your hands.

black magick hustla
25th May 2006, 05:08
ahahahaha i am a commie nerd, so some of the circumstances described by CL could apply to me&#33;

i sadly cannot play many sports that require good reflexes because my body synchronization is kinda fucked, and i am almost bat blind.

however, i am pretty built&#33;

the good thing about lifting weights is that even someone like me, a bat blind with the reflexes of a dead cow can practice it&#33;



i still do not understand how people like CL have such a fucked up grasp of material reality. he thinks that in capitalism, everyone can become a succesful entrepeneur.

however, if that happened

who will work in the factories?

who will clean your shit?

who will teach your children at the public school?

who will build your houses, make your food, and assemble your computer?

The Grey Blur
25th May 2006, 15:08
Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 24 2006, 10:37 PM
We all know the origin of a communist&#39;s personality:......attended public school for 12 years, always kept to himself....learning to blame &#39;all the others&#39; for not liking and associating with him, when in fact &#39;all the others&#39; didn&#39;t enjoy pulling the legs off live insects, didn&#39;t like setting dogs tails on fire, and didn&#39;t like listening to organ music by the hour.

The commie persona hated sports of any kind, not only because he sucked at any and all coordinated activity but, also because most sports required teamwork and ability to get along with others.

After 12 miserable years in public school he graduates and applies for college admission. He does not have the qualifications for any of the larger, respected universities so he applies to his local, near mom institution and gets in, like everyone else who applies. He resents and is often critical of the larger, well respected universities for having rejected him and in rejecting any self assessment it is at this point he first labels such schools catering to the "ruling class".....the sole reason for his rejection.

He is not a particularly good student, still resents being where he has ended up and while his fellow students attempt to make the most of their education by enrolling in and completing degrees in Engineering and Sciences he opts for a Liberal Arts degree and trades library and study hall time for nap time and net surfing in the dorm.

At graduation he once again experiences the bitter fruits of his own choices....the engineering and science graduates are off on multiple job interviews while he sits and requests applications for a position as a public school history teacher....Once again the &#39;ruling class&#39; has screwed him...after all who but the sons and daughters of the &#39;ruling class&#39; would chose to be the destroyers of the environment as they wipe out nature to build their edifices and their steel and concrete highways.

Now, stuck in a dead end job and barely able to make ends meet he curses the &#39;capitalist society&#39; which is at the root of all of his problems.

Marxism is the answer.....like Russian peasants so oppressed by the Czar...he too will revolt..... and change the world until the world becomes like him....for he will never fit into the world.

So the commie persona sits alone in his little room cursing the world and banging on the keyboard, throwing insults, questioning the intelligence of those who disagree with him, and disparaging the nation which gives him every opportunity for a good and successful life and the freedom to voice his warped opinions.....

but please, don&#39;t expect a commie persona to ever take responsibility for his rantings or to ever express them vocally, face to face with anyone except possibly a mirror....no, that would require something he has never possessed...the courage of his convictions.

You need to understand the &#39;Commie Persona&#39; is a victim of the &#39;ruling class&#39; and like all victims none of his actions or lack of success are his fault...they are society&#39;s fault.

Understanding that, one can see how a &#39;classless society&#39; appeals to communists like you.

Now, let me just say one last thing that you are all clueless as to what the military has to offer. I personally saw people who would have been career criminals become productive people after joining the military. I saw idiots become smart. I read about farm boys from Iowa become friends-for-life with people from the Bronx. It takes people to many exotic locales, and makes them have a better appreciation for what most here in the Western World take for granted.
Duuuude - It&#39;s like you&#39;re reading my mind&#33;

Well if you ever do find some factual evidence that Jesse Macbeth didn&#39;t serve in Iraq make sure to post it. Thanks chum

ÑóẊîöʼn
25th May 2006, 16:01
Trolling again, Capitalist Lawyer?


We all know the origin of a communist&#39;s personality:......attended public school for 12 years, always kept to himself....learning to blame &#39;all the others&#39; for not liking and associating with him, when in fact &#39;all the others&#39; didn&#39;t enjoy pulling the legs off live insects, didn&#39;t like setting dogs tails on fire, and didn&#39;t like listening to organ music by the hour.

Cruelty to animals and organ music ain&#39;t my bag. Nice try though.


The commie persona hated sports of any kind, not only because he sucked at any and all coordinated activity but, also because most sports required teamwork and ability to get along with others.

I&#39;m actually quite good at online co-operative FPSs, which require both good hand-eye coordination and an ability to work as a team to achieve objectives. Wrong again.


He is not a particularly good student, still resents being where he has ended up and while his fellow students attempt to make the most of their education by enrolling in and completing degrees in Engineering and Sciences he opts for a Liberal Arts degree and trades library and study hall time for nap time and net surfing in the dorm.

Wrong, yet again... I hate Liberal Arts, it&#39;s post-modernist trash. That&#39;s why I took an evening course in GCSE Astronomy.

Honestly CL, whatever possessed you to stereotype an entire political tendency into your narrow preconceptions? Were you drunk? Or are you simply being a fucking troll?

redstar2000
25th May 2006, 22:30
We all know the origin of a young conservative&#39;s personality. Raised by a domineering father figure, sent to military school and/or private religious school from an early age, learned that "authority is always right" and "must be obeyed" no matter what.

Often quite popular with other kids from the same background...otherwise despised -- especially by the "cool" kids and the "really smart" kids who uniformly regard him as a "neanderthal".

As to girls, forget it. He&#39;s "saving himself for marriage". :lol:

Sometimes good at sports but disliked even by the other jocks...though coaches love his type. He goes out on the field and does exactly what he&#39;s told to do...even when what he was told to do is completely wrong for the game situation. Doesn&#39;t even really like the game; regards it as a "duty" not a pleasure.

Goes to a state university because he&#39;s not nearly bright enough for one of the prestigious colleges...unless, his one great hope, he can manage an appointment to one of the "service academies".

But he doesn&#39;t really like school; reading "makes his brain hurt"...especially history, sociology, economics -- anything that challenges the primitive crap he was taught as a child. He&#39;ll pick up some fragments here and there...but nothing that resembles a coherent outlook on anything. His "guiding star" remains: authority is always right and must be obeyed.

He skips out on military service if, as is usually the case, his father or other relatives can get him a job in an "advanced" position. But he really admires the military life from a distance and can pontificate on the virtues of his favorite branch of the service for 20 minutes or more without taking more than one breath.

He is deeply unsure of his masculinity and makes up for this with a really obnoxiously aggressive attitude towards anyone he imagines he can get away with it...in other words, a bully. He&#39;s also always trying to win his father&#39;s approval as a "real man"...so if he does join the military, he might volunteer for the most hazardous operations like the "Rangers" or the "Special Forces" or the "Navy Seals".

Not really much else can be said about the poor bastard. He&#39;ll spend most of his life thinking himself a "victim" of a "secular liberal conspiracy" that conspires to destroy everything he holds "sacred". Whenever another imperialist war ends in disaster, it&#39;s because America has been "stabbed in the back" and "not allowed to win". http://www.websmileys.com/sm/sad/014.gif

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Emperor Ronald Reagan
25th May 2006, 22:56
"Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative."

"The whiny kids tended to grow up conservative, and turned into rigid young adults who hewed closely to traditional gender roles and were uncomfortable with ambiguity."

"He reasons that insecure kids look for the reassurance provided by tradition and authority, and find it in conservative politics."

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentSe...l=1105528093790 (http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1142722231554&call_pageid=1105528093962&col=1105528093790)

Capitalist Lawyer
26th May 2006, 00:38
We all know the origin of a young conservative&#39;s personality.


I&#39;ll admit, that made me chuckle Redstar....although I don&#39;t classify myself as a typical conservative..perhaps of the John McCain type but not of GWB and I am pretty libertarian on social matters such as sex education, abortion, drugs and gun policy. As for economics, I specifically outlined my economic philosophy in a thread not too long ago about how I advocate a welfare-state in order to protect us from the worst aspects of wealth hoarding. I&#39;ll try to find the thread if I can.


Any one care to take a stab at what program our friend Capitalist Lawyer is enrolled in? I would bet it&#39;s not women&#39;s studies.

I am not enrolled in anything at this university, I work in the admissions dept.

I am surprised that you would invade my privacy over a stupid little rant that I thought we could all laugh at together. I did not realize you would all take it personally nor counteract in a personal manner.

Get a sense of humor...atleast Redstar understood it.

Capitalist Lawyer
26th May 2006, 17:49
"Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative."

"The whiny kids tended to grow up conservative, and turned into rigid young adults who hewed closely to traditional gender roles and were uncomfortable with ambiguity."

"He reasons that insecure kids look for the reassurance provided by tradition and authority, and find it in conservative politics."



From an Ann Coulter column:


"If you want to find the cool, anti-establishment rebels who don&#39;t answer to "The Man" on college campuses today, you have to go to a meeting of the College Republicans. They are rebelling against at least 99 percent of their professors. Even the original &#39;60s anti-war protesters were rebelling against at least 5 percent of their professors. Today&#39;s college liberals ape the beliefs of 99 percent of their professors and then pretend they&#39;re on-the-edge radicals.

We&#39;ve always had to endure goody two-shoes apple-polishers — kids with their hands always up, who turn in talkers when the teacher leaves the classroom and volunteer for extra work after school. But not until today&#39;s college liberals have we ever had to suffer the effrontery of the ***-kissers telling us: "I&#39;m bad — I clean erasers for teachers after class because I&#39;m baaad."

I don&#39;t care what liberals think. I don&#39;t care that they&#39;re spineless suck-ups. Just don&#39;t insult my intelligence by telling me they&#39;re brave."


Her (correct) point is that there is very little free-thinking among the Left today, which is why they have no agenda, no contemporary Contract with America. They are completely reactionary and that is the complete antithesis of &#39;free-thinking&#39;.

ÑóẊîöʼn
26th May 2006, 19:39
Ann Coulter has no point, she&#39;s a rabid right-wing psychopath.

Don't Change Your Name
26th May 2006, 20:57
Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2006, 06:30 PM
Not really much else can be said about the poor bastard. He&#39;ll spend most of his life thinking himself a "victim" of a "secular liberal conspiracy" that conspires to destroy everything he holds "sacred".
You forgot mentioning how they fear "feminazis" and their whines about how they "hate men" and oppress them, and their rants about the "anti-life commie atheist professors that control this country" (country = the US, in this case) :lol:

violencia.Proletariat
26th May 2006, 21:09
Anne Coulter knows as much about the left as she knows about sanity. :lol: