Right Wing Paradox

[EwokUtopia]

They say that the next Republican candidate for the presidancy may be Condoleeza Rice, which opens up a pretty big connundrum for Conservatives. As you may or may not be aware, Conservatives have had a tendancy to be racist. And, believe it or not, Right Wingers have subtle Patriarchal undertones.....

Sarcasm Aside, how does everyone think Conservative america will deal with this one? ooo, I really hope she's going up against Hillary, that will make it a popcorn election for sure, Will they vote for the Black Woman who is a pro-life death penalty guru for the new right, or will they vote for the other woman who is a pro-abortion witch hippie vixen who may turn all of our children into lesbian satanists.....on the other hand, she's white....What will those conservatives do?

As you see, 2008 will be a year we can all thank god we arent conservatives, because this one is really going to be a mellon scratcher for the deep south and the midwest.

So how do you think those crazy conservatives will react to such a connundrum?

And yes, I am well aware that I never really set my sarcasm aside.

[Fistful of Steel]

If it's woman versus woman I think the conservatives'll still vote Republican, because while I think having to choose between a woman and a man might be enough to sway their opinions I don't think black or white might. (I'm not that familiar with the biases of Americans so who knows)

[Morpheus]

There is a high probability that a portion of hardcore conservatives will flock to a third party in '08, swinging the election to the democrats. Many have already become disillusioned with Bush (because he's not conservative enough for them) and more will likely do so over the next several years.

[karmaradical]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2006, 12:32 AM
There is a high probability that a portion of hardcore conservatives will flock to a third party in '08, swinging the election to the democrats. Many have already become disillusioned with Bush (because he's not conservative enough for them) and more will likely do so over the next several years.
I really doubt that a large influx of conservatives will be supporting a third party. A bunch of social liberals are constantly dissing the democrats, but you still dont see the social democratic party winnig mass votes.

[which doctor]

The republicans are just trying to gain a market share. That's all political parties do. They act just like corporations, spending so much money on advertisement.

Racism and sexism are going down, even within the right wing. Right wing woman Margaret Thatcher got elected a long time ago. My guess is that neither Condie or Hilary will become serious contenders in the election. America just might not be ready for a woman president yet.

[Rawthentic]

Yeah, I mean Condi has shown herself to be a real conservative and republican. Actually, Condi being black can actually help the Republican movement, since they can say, " Look, were not racist, we love diversity and minorities!". Many libs could vote for her because of this, which obviously is a lie, reps are prejudiced fuckers. just something to think about i guess

[Morpheus]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2006, 12:55 AM
I really doubt that a large influx of conservatives will be supporting a third party. A bunch of social liberals are constantly dissing the democrats, but you still dont see the social democratic party winnig mass votes.
In the 2000 election there was a significant number of liberals who defected to the Greens and voted for their canidate Ralph Nader. Not the majority of them, but some did become disillusioned and defect. Before that, in the 1992 election, a significant number of right-wingers defected from the Republican party and voted for Ross Perot. Those who support or sympathize with one of the parties tend to become disillusioned once their party has been in power for a while. It becomes harder to deny that the parties are basically the same because they've had to watch their party act like the other party for 8+ years. If your party is out of power this fact is easier to ignore and the whole "lesser of two evils" arguement becomes more attractive. That's no longer the case after 8+ years of your party leading things, and so some of that parties base tends to become disillusioned (and thus fodder for 3rd parties) once its been in power for a while. This has happened to both parties, and it's already starting to happen to the republicans.

[wet blanket]

It really doesn't matter who wins these elections, you know.

[Global_Justice]

she's not really black though she's got black skin but she is white underneath.

[Mesijs]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2006, 03:09 PM
she's not really black though she's got black skin but she is white underneath.
That's just racist, however you would interpret it...


Anyway, I think Rice won't be the next candidate. The Republicans won't take the risk to nominate a black (!!!) woman (!!!) as presidential candidate... There already was controversy in the Democratic Party about Hillary and a black Running Mate for her. And we're talking about the Republicans now...

[Global_Justice]

Originally posted by Mesijs+May 26 2006, 03:14 PM--> (Mesijs @ May 26 2006, 03:14 PM)
[email protected] 26 2006, 03:09 PM
she's not really black though she's got black skin but she is white underneath.
That's just racist, however you would interpret it...


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i don't think so at all mate.

what i meant was, even though she is black she doesn't embrace black culture and she certainly doesn't represent the black community in her politics. although she has black skin, her politics are very similar to those of a white conservative.

[LSD]

she's not really black though she's got black skin but she is white underneath.

:blink: What the hell does that even mean?

Are you trying to imply that black people can't be conservative morons? That political views are somehow related to "racial identity"?

Sorry, but that is an incredibly racist and paternalistic attitude to take. There is absolutely no reason that an individual cannot be simultaneously black, a woman, and an asshole.

Yes, statistically speaking, members of oppressed minorities tend to be more progressive than straight white males because they are more aware of the oppressive nature of the system, but progressive politics are not a "defining feature" of race.

Tell me, are white anti-racists actually "black underneath"? Was the asian co-founder of the Black Panthers "not really asian"? :rolleyes:

I think you need to seriously reconsider your racial politics because you are threating a very dangerous line here. :angry:

[Global_Justice]

ok i think i misworded what i was trying to say and for that i apologise. i really hope i can word it right because i swear i'm not racist in the slightest.

what i meant was basically what i said above. i was thinking from more of a black rights movement viewpoint in a similar way to how martin luthar king was criticised for his 'i have a dream' speech. she is a black women who has accepted white conservative values and been accepted into the white conservative culture that is US politics.

this thread is about the fact that she is black and whether or not white conservatives will vote for her. a white conservative would obviously look at a black person and have a stereotypical view of them. my point is that white conservatives will vote for her because she clearly doesn't fit that stereotype and they will vote for her because her politics represent their views instead of representing the stereotypical black communities views. the fact she is black is irrelevant to them, because she represents their views rather than the views that they'd expect (because of their stereotypical views) from a black person.

i'm not stereotyping, i'm saying they have stereotypical views.


Sorry, but that is an incredibly racist and paternalistic attitude to take. There is absolutely no reason that an individual cannot be simultaneously black, a woman, and an asshole.

of course there's no reason. but i didn't make my point clear. i hope now you can see my point? i'm not racist :(

[chuq]

In the US they hold up blacks who act white or think as the whites as the role models for young blacks. So may be a black woman, but she thinks in white terms. That is not a racist statement, but a true statement.

I am no racist, but a prick is a prick regardless of skin color and a yes man for exploitive repubs is an ass no matter which skin they wear.

[Global_Justice]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2006, 05:50 PM
In the US they hold up blacks who act white or think as the whites as the role models for young blacks. So may be a black woman, but she thinks in white terms. That is not a racist statement, but a true statement.

that was sort of my point. it's near to my point

her politics and views are the same as a white conservative, rather than the views a white conservative would expect a black person to have.

[Cloud]

Well i think the election is going to be rigged anyway, and i generally think that condy would win because of her wish to kill chavez and of course american gov. wants that. Maybe they'll both come down with chicken pox and die before it though, and then a revolution starts

[Reuben]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2006, 06:53 PM
Well i think the election is going to be rigged anyway, and i generally think that condy would win because of her wish to kill chavez and of course american gov. wants that. Maybe they'll both come down with chicken pox and die before it though, and then a revolution starts
ok. I want you to rewrite this post so that people don't look at it and think 'what the fuck is he on about'

[piet11111]

i doubt it would make a difference many poeple would vote for their party even if adolph
hitler was the presidential candidate (and still very very dead)

and the "smarter" rednecks would probably say that rice is not in charge anyway just doing what the republican party wants just like dubya.

[drain.you]

Racism and sexism are going down, even within the right wing.
In America? Are you serious? You obviously dont read US headlines of racist attacks and such. Its not like the KKK is long dead either.

I reckon a third party could stand a chance. Nader did so well and that was with male candidates running from the Democrats and Republicans. But then again, wasn't it Nader who did really well yet got NO electoral college votes?

Suppose another option for them could be just refusing to vote. dunno what would happen then.

I really hope that Rice doesn't gain power. She fucking hates Cuba and Venezuela and would no doubt take more action against them than Bush has. Of course on the other hand, she could really help the suppressed african-american population but I'm inclined to think that like middle-class african-americans, she has abandoned the thought of aiding those in poverty.


and the "smarter" rednecks would probably say that rice is not in charge anyway just doing what the republican party wants just like dubya.

No. Thats wrong to think that. In the UK, party politics is strong and still Blair decides policy, not the members, the party conferences are shams.
In the USA, the way candidates emerge, fighting against each other in the primary elections dicates that they are not all under the same banner, they have to make their own policy in order to appeal to people to the most people and cannot appear as twins of their opponents, that would be stupid. There is no single republican party, there are 50, one for each state and party means pretty much nothing except for the fact that Republicans tend to lean right and Democrats tend to lean left.


It really doesn't matter who wins these elections, you know.
I think it does. The USA is a key figure in global politics and the leader of this country decides who to go to war with, which countries to exploit and such. Sure, the methods of all captialist leaders will be the same but there is slight differences of who gets what, where and when from President to President.
Look at the differences between Bush and Clinton. For a start Clinton wanted a proper health system, it was blocked by congress but can you imagine Bush going for something like that?